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  • Yes, I think she might be

    34 22.52%
  • No, I don't think she has any mental issues

    40 26.49%
  • No, but I think she has BPD or some other mental issue

    46 30.46%
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    Armchair psychology - How many of these traits fit Misty?

    We've had a psych thread, but this one is going to focus on the possibility that Misty is a sociopath. Please don't come into the discussion deciding that this is the issue with her. Instead, look at the basic traits, view the rest of the link, and state which issues seem to fit or not fit what we know about Misty and why.

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    # Glibness and Superficial Charm

    # Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    # Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    # Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    # Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    # Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    # Incapacity for Love

    # Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    # Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    # Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    # Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    # Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    # Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    # Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    # Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

    <snipped> http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

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    If there is a lot of input into this discussion, I'll add a poll after some ideas are discussed as to whether having gathered these thoughts, we think she is a sociopath or not.

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    IMO, Misty fits this:


    Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)

    Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.


    Good article by the way Kimster, Thank you!

    People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

    They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.

    They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification.
    If it doesn't make sense, it is a LIE ........Judge Judy

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    Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests?

    IMHO. That one for certain doesn't apply to Misty..

    Looking over the criteria, she qualifies to be counted as a fit, but so does Ron C and his momma..JMO

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    # Manipulative and Conning
    # Grandiose Sense of Self
    # Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    # Pathological Lying
    # Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    # Shallow Emotions
    # Need for Stimulation
    # Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    # Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    # Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency

    # Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    # Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    # Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle

    In my assessment she meets most of the critera.
    I did not choose the glibness and superficial charm. I see Misty as almost flat without a personality.

    I did not chose incapacity to love. Maybe, but I don't know if she is incapable of loving or if it is that culture, upbringing and experiences just haven't provided her with an opportunity to really understand what love is.

    I didn't chose Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility. I see Misty as not being bright enough to do this. Now given more years and more practice she could well develop this ability.

    Those I have highlighted in red I feel the most strongly represent who Misty is as a person.

    Kimster great question . I felt like I was doing homework .
    Last edited by grandmaj; 04-08-2010 at 03:52 PM.

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    I haven't heard anything about Misty being a big liar except for accusations when it concerns her brother, and haven't heard of her being very manipulative or even overly dramatic yet. I think she got into drugs, had a bad family influence, and got into the wrong crowd but don't think she's a psychopath or mentally ill.

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    I dunno Kim. A picture of Ronald Cummings is all that I see missing from your sociopath description.

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    - covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    - Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    - a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.

    - Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims.

    - A deep seated rage

    - remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person.

    - Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.

    - Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    - "gets by" by conning others.

    - Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    - poor work ethic

    - Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution.
    Let's see....entitled....accomplices....deep seated rage....blames others....verbal outbursts....poor work ethic....avoids prosecution....DON'T TELL ME, let me figure it out myself. The name's on the tip of my tongue.....


    But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops. Luke 12, 2-3


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    I don't know what you would label Misty, but I don't think sociopath fits her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txsvicki View Post
    I haven't heard anything about Misty being a big liar except for accusations when it concerns her brother, and haven't heard of her being very manipulative or even overly dramatic yet. I think she got into drugs, had a bad family influence, and got into the wrong crowd but don't think she's a psychopath or mentally ill.


    I believe her when she says she would never hurt Haleigh. I believe her when she says she loves children. Heck, I think the entire Croslin clan loves children. I believe Hank was genuinely angry and hurt over being told he couldn't visit his grandchildren. Maybe I'm just a softy, but I do feel love in that family.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoSueMe View Post
    I don't know what you would label Misty, but I don't think sociopath fits her.

    BBM....Stooopid stooopid girl...JMO

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    I would say BPD as I have for MONTHS and given that...


    LIKE attracts LIKE so I could be wrong. That list is, IMO, the clinical on her ex-husband. JMO. MOO etc...
    As I walk through this wicked world, searchin' for light in the darkness of insanity. I ask myself--Is all hope lost? Is there only pain and hatred, and misery? And each time I feel like this inside, There's one thing I wanna know: What's so funny 'bout peace love & understanding? Nick Lowe

    HALEIGH, LISA, ALIAYAH & ALL THE MISSING NEED US

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    We've had a psych thread, but this one is going to focus on the possibility that Misty is a sociopath. Please don't come into the discussion deciding that this is the issue with her. Instead, look at the basic traits, view the rest of the link, and state which issues seem to fit or not fit what we know about Misty and why.

    ************************************************** ***********

    # Glibness and Superficial Charm

    # Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

    # Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

    # Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

    # Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

    # Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

    # Incapacity for Love

    # Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

    # Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

    # Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

    # Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

    # Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

    # Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

    # Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

    # Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

    <snipped> http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
    Misty appears to meet all these traits of a sociopath with the exception of being able to "pass a LDT".

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil momma View Post
    IMO, Misty fits this:


    Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)

    Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.


    Good article by the way Kimster, Thank you!

    People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

    They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.

    They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification.
    Now this fits Ron Cummings to a big "T".

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    I don't think she fits the sociopath profile. Especially on the emotional part. While I'm sure there are people who she could care less about, there are also those she most likely cares deeply for.

    And I'm not buying Misty as a pathological liar. She's not good at it at all.

    It would have been nice to be able to observe some of her regular behaviors- before anything at all happened. Without that, you really don't know a whole person. JMO

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