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  1. #346
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    People who are determined to kill themselves will use what they have available to them to do so.
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    Good primer for a newbie, a nice write up by the editor...with links to more articles...

    "Phoebe Prince suicide result of sinister teens and ignorant adults"
    http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/joe-..._result_o.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by OrdinaryLife View Post
    People who are determined to kill themselves will use what they have available to them to do so.
    True. But in an empty apartment...was the only choice Phoebe had...hanging in her christmas scarf?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Sure, waddup, peeps are legally allowed to screen cap anything and send to authorities. But we aren't allowed to use Websleuths to organize it, I think. I got a big slap 2 years ago for that. lol...I wait for the mod god on that one...

    I've heard and read about Alexis. I was disappointed and didn't pay much further attention once I heard her Father said bullying wasn't responsible. Maybe he doesn't know...or there's more to the story? Does Alexis have a thread, anywhere, mods?
    If anyone sees something they think should be sent to authorities, please do so. WSers have made tons of excellent finds in the many cases here and have forwarded them. Just don't mention WS when you alert them.

    I searched, but didn't see a thread for Alexis. Jeez - another sad case Can someone start a thread for her in the bullying forum?

    Also, wanted to let you know that, while I am following this case closely, I don't always read every post. If you have a mod. question, please PM myself or Tricia. If you don't yet have PM abilities, you can leave a visitor message on either of our profiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    True. But in an empty apartment...was the only choice Phoebe had...hanging in her christmas scarf?
    Yes. But, I can promise you she didn't consider it a Christmas scarf. It was something that was long enough to be knotted. You are thinking rationally and with a gift emotion. Phoebe wasn't rational. She was in total distress and deep pain. It was an "item" that she grabbed and used.

    imvho
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    You guys are having a great conversation. Disagreeing with a poster's opinion is totally fine, as everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just address whatever you disagree with in the post. DO NOT attack the individual poster. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrdinaryLife View Post
    Yes. But, I can promise you she didn't consider it a Christmas scarf. It was something that was long enough to be knotted. You are thinking rationally and with a gift emotion. Phoebe wasn't rational. She was in total distress and deep pain. It was an "item" that she grabbed and used.
    imvho
    You may be right, my friend. It's heartbreaking. I want to know if it's the same scarf as she wore to school that day...or if she looked for it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    You may be right, my friend. It's heartbreaking. I want to know if it's the same scarf as she wore to school that day...or if she looked for it...
    In my "not in the know" opinion, odds were it was the scarf she had worn that day, but again, I could be very wrong. She wasn't home long before she hanged herself. I believe the time frame, between the texts sent/received (and those not read sent to her) and her body found, it was not long at all.

    I don't believe she looked for this particular scarf, but it was one that she already had very nearby. As in, one she may have worn that day.

    imvho
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrdinaryLife View Post
    In my "not in the know" opinion, odds were it was the scarf she had worn that day, but again, I could be very wrong. She wasn't home long before she hanged herself. I believe the time frame, between the texts sent/received (and those not read sent to her) and her body found, it was not long at all.

    I don't believe she looked for this particular scarf, but it was one that she already had very nearby. As in, one she may have worn that day.

    imvho
    I hope it was not a scarf, the scarf, she wore that day...somehow if she looked for it, hunted around the apartment, I'd feel more secure it was suicide.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    I hope it was not a scarf, the scarf, she wore that day...somehow if she looked for it, hunted around the apartment, I'd feel more secure it was suicide.
    I completely understand you're hesitation to believe it was a suicide by her own hands. I do have to share I don't think it was anymore sinister than what we know and the ME/DA have shared. If there was any question, at all, I have absolutely no doubt that a murder charge would have been filed after the results of autopsy, forensics, and followed up investigation was completed. This county DA never even blinked in regards of charging bullying, etc. If there was *any* question at all that others had committed a murder, it would be there.

    imvho
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Yes, that's why those photos were uploaded, imo.

    The rear of the house- Now, look at the top floor, on the rear. It appears to have a screen-like porch along the back, that is seperate from the main house. And the bottom floor of the rear seems to have windows along the back, would there be a stairway in there? I really wish some local would pipe up about this.

    AND...I want to know if she made it into the apartment. From reports I've read, nothing indicates she did. Now, imagine having a day from H.E. double L and not even going into your home, after that? Just hanging yourself in the stairs? No note? Knowing your younger Sister was the next due home? And to be found hung in a christmas scarf from her Sister, why would she use that? Phoebe was a writer, as we've seen from her blog, I really think if she was going to kill herself she might have had something to say.
    I did read somewhere that she had left her phone on and had plugged it in (prehaps to show the texts she had been getting). If that is so then she probably did make inside the house.

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    Thrown to the wolves

    A short opinion article on Phoebe. Apologies if somebody already posted it and I missed it.

    http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/...-90562519.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrdinaryLife View Post
    I completely understand you're hesitation to believe it was a suicide by her own hands. I do have to share I don't think it was anymore sinister than what we know and the ME/DA have shared. If there was any question, at all, I have absolutely no doubt that a murder charge would have been filed after the results of autopsy, forensics, and followed up investigation was completed. This county DA never even blinked in regards of charging bullying, etc. If there was *any* question at all that others had committed a murder, it would be there.

    imvho
    Again... you are likely correct. But I'm still doubtful. I just need evidence...
    and I'll believe...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    I did read somewhere that she had left her phone on and had plugged it in (prehaps to show the texts she had been getting). If that is so then she probably did make inside the house.
    She had her phone charging? Why charge your phone if you're going to kill yourself? The texts would be available if the battery ran low, no? I'd like to know more about that. The trial can't come fast enough, for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Again... you are likely correct. But I'm still doubtful. I just need evidence...
    and I'll believe...
    Never say never, but I think the possibility is high for suicide. That said, I get what you are thinking/saying. That's *all* good!
    "I went to the bank and asked to borrow a cup of money. They said, "What for?". I said, "I'm going to buy some sugar".

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