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    OH! I just had the most disturbing thought. Was there ANYTHING around Phoebe that was found that she could have possibly stood on to tie the scarf and then jump off of? There has to be or...

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    Is Ashley's dad named Roger? According to this link he is posting! Ashley's mom is a druggie.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-t...=sgm#topic_top

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRyan View Post
    That makes an awful lot of sense bear14. I remember when I was at school and I was bullied by someone in my class, I just couldnt imagine my mum coming in "making a fuss", for one thing I would have been totally humiliated never mind being scared of this persons reactions to being "squealed on" and i was only 9 at the time so I can imagine being a teen in that situation would be much more difficult as you have some bit of a reputation to protect, you might feel that you would be a laughing stock and if you were already being ridiculed that might just too much to bear.
    yep pretty much. I'm 23 and haven't lived at home in 3 years so it was kind of humiliating having my mom come in and make a fuss at college, ha. but a mum's a mum whether you're 1 or 100 and I had reached the point where I gave up so she took over.

    I can only imagine being in high school and having that reputation to protect. Plus add to the fact that Phoebe was still the new girl from Ireland with an accent and "different" ways, she was a freshman while these girls were 2-3 years older than her, these girls were apparently popular and on sports teams, plus relationships with boys were also involved. I can definitely understand her not wanting to bring it up and as I believe Darby O'Brien said when it came out she had tried to get help, she must have been terribly desperate at that point.

    The school should have seen and known what was going on and taken actions whether or not Phoebe stood up for herself or not. I always thought my high school was a huge piece of crap but I know if ANY faculty ever witnessed one student yelling at another in the middle of a lunchroom or any of the other things they did to Phoebe it would have been handled immediately. It wouldn't matter what kind of student it was, the one yelling would be taken to the vice principal's office or where ever and the student getting yelled at likely would have been asked if he/she wanted to talk to a counselor or something along those lines. There were just too many instances where this behavior occurred for a teacher or someone in charge to not have seen it and the lack of action taken is just despicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaddupYo View Post
    More of those photos made me tear up
    yea same here :\ they really break my heart. she was happy, having fun, being a normal young teenage girl. these girls completely broke her in 4 months. ugh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaddupYo View Post
    Oh yeah, she's grieving alright. Give me a break. These girls are sociopaths. They are self serving and feel no sense of remorse at all! Its just sick!

    RIP PHOEBE!

    I think you've nailed it. Just a shame that these freaks ruin the lives of people who may have contributed to society.

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    The girl reading at the rally, today...Betty C...well, she made a comment on this fb posting defending the bullies....this whole FB group was created, from my understanding, to take pressure OFF the bullies...now, SHE and Shae, a FB fan of Sean Mulveyhill, are prominent figures in this rally today? Okay...

    http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...d=451005535575
    http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s..._stage_ra.html
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    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebear14 View Post
    yea same here :\ they really break my heart. she was happy, having fun, being a normal young teenage girl. these girls completely broke her in 4 months. ugh...
    Ashley's mug would break me..at least make me throw up

    Actually I could bring all these girls to tears in 10 seconds

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    Betty C. also was sent as a representative of the school to a bullying conference. Anyone think SHHS would send someone who didn't spout the party line to a media event?
    http://www.gazettenet.com/2010/04/03...about-bullying


    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

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    I joined the masslive forums!! hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaddupYo View Post
    Is Ashley's dad named Roger? According to this link he is posting! Ashley's mom is a druggie.

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-t...=sgm#topic_top
    Yeah that is definitely her dad you can see her brother Ryan is a friend, lovely guy (Ryan that is) partial to a racial slur or three

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRyan View Post
    Yeah that is definitely her dad you can see her brother Ryan is a friend, lovely guy (Ryan that is) partial to a racial slur or three
    Do you know him? Ryan?

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    Just trying to figure out what this rally was about...we know Shae was listed as an organizer, and Betty C. also had a prominent role...

    Betty C., the one who read at the rally today, her facebook page says she's "married" to Chris L.

    http://www.facebook.com/czitrom
    http://www.facebook.com/chris.lukasik319

    He is all over FB telling people to shut up and the media to go away...

    This is post #560 from waddupyo, posted yesterday...

    "WHOA! Someone was friends with the person who lived below her!

    Chris Lukasik: I never knew her and honestly, I never heard anyone talk bad about her. But that's because when I'm in the hallways I kinda am in my own world and I don't pay attention to what people say in the hallways. But I have never met her or seen her. I knew her as the upstairs neighbor to my best friend. But I never knew people disliked her so much.
    Phoebe is looking down on us now in Heaven and she forgives us, everyone that hurt her, everyone that did know what was going on, everyone that didn't know, she's safe now and she forgives us."
    So...he never knew her. But look at this comment from February 2, 2010 from Betty C.'s boyfriend, Chris...

    Chris Lukasik you people REALLY need to get a grip. do you even live in this town? I bet money that you don't live here. Because if so you wouldn't be saying that because you would know that we are actually a very fine educational facility with a working administration. Please stop bashing my school, the only people that are allowed to say ANYTHING bad about my school are the students that are attending the school CURRENTLY. Please stop calling these girls trash, please, for God's sake, stop pointing fingers until you actually know EVERY SINGLE STRAND of this story, NOT what WWLP, The Boston Globe, Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, CNN, Good Morning America, or any other media source that has flooded our quiet little town, that has provided you with this tragic story
    http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...d=451005535575

    And notice Molly O'C. agrees with Chris. To those who have heard of Molly O'C. ...that will mean something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaddupYo View Post
    I joined the masslive forums!! hehe
    Great! Go digging, WaddupYo!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Just trying to figure out what this rally was about...we know Shae was listed as an organizer, and Betty C. also had a prominent role...

    Betty C., the one who read at the rally today, her facebook page says she's "married" to Chris L.

    http://www.facebook.com/czitrom
    http://www.facebook.com/chris.lukasik319

    He is all over FB telling people to shut up and the media to go away...

    This is post #560 from waddupyo, posted yesterday...



    So...he never knew her. But look at this comment from February 2, 2010 from Betty C.'s boyfriend, Chris...


    http://www.facebook.com/permalink.ph...d=451005535575

    And notice Molly O'C. agrees with Chris. To those who have heard of Molly O'C. ...that will mean something...
    These kids really are stupid. Stupid. Their parents must be seriously ashamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Great! Go digging, WaddupYo!
    oh ish stirring! I'm good for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaddupYo View Post
    Do you know him? Ryan?
    God no just had a look at his facebook page a few weeks ago, had a few unsavoury comments about black people, just gave the impression of a really uncouth toolbag. (please excuse my expressions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRyan View Post
    God no just had a look at his facebook page a few weeks ago, had a few unsavoury comments about black people, just gave the impression of a really uncouth toolbag. (please excuse my expressions)
    page is private now

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaddupYo View Post
    These kids really are stupid. Stupid. Their parents must be seriously ashamed.
    Good old Molly she really is a compassionate creature... Their ego's amaze me , that's what it boils down to, they can't stand the thought of anybody "dissing" their town, even though they do it themselves, they seem to have been really enjoying that rally today and they seem to have forgotten that a young girl is dead her family are living in hell because of it . It beggars belief the selfishness of these people that they would put their own feelings first. To top it all off, if they were more willing to speak compassionately about Phoebe then maybe the whole world wouldn't feel the need to stand up for her IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRyan View Post
    Good old Molly she really is a compassionate creature... Their ego's amaze me , that's what it boils down to, they can't stand the thought of anybody "dissing" their town, even though they do it themselves, they seem to have been really enjoying that rally today and they seem to have forgotten that a young girl is dead her family are living in hell because of it . It beggars belief the selfishness of these people that they would put their own feelings first. To top it all off, if they were more willing to speak compassionately about Phoebe then maybe the whole world wouldn't feel the need to stand up for her IMO
    This town has so many village idiots. Kids are so stupid. Sorry to say that. I have 2 and both are young. Actually let me rephrase. Teenagers that think they are sly are stupid. Deleting stuff from social sites doesn't delete totally. The stuff is still there. and it's been screen capped by numerous folks. Teens are so full of themselves. Especially this little group. I'd like to put tapatio in their sodas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaddupYo View Post
    This town has so many village idiots. Kids are so stupid. Sorry to say that. I have 2 and both are young. Actually let me rephrase. Teenagers that think they are sly are stupid. Deleting stuff from social sites doesn't delete totally. The stuff is still there. and it's been screen capped by numerous folks. Teens are so full of themselves. Especially this little group. I'd like to put tapatio in their sodas.
    I just had to look up tapatio online, I may try that.

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    SOUTH HADLEY (FOX 25 / MyFoxBoston.com) - Critics spoke out for the resignation of school officials at South Hadley High school at a crowded and heated school committee meeting on Wednesday night.

    Two speakers who went before the committee calling for the resignation of Superintendent Gus A. Sayer and Principal Daniel T. Smith were cut off by School Committee Chairman Edward J. Boisselle and then escorted out by police.

    People also spoke in support of the superintendent and principal, saying "South Hadley needs to heal."
    Critics we're essentially DRAGGED OUT BY POLICE...

    Where did we hear today that South Hadley needs to "heal"? OH, Yes! at that staged rally!!
    “We wanted to have this rally to support ourselves, support our community, everybody, and just make a positive experience out of it all and make everybody heal from this.
    http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/s...ze-peace-rally

    http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/...-down-20100414
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    I'm really tired of this "once you hear the whole story" crap because that's all it is, crap. I kind of touched on this the other day but basically I don't give a crap if Phoebe slept with every guy on the football team. I don't care if she got drunk and did drugs every night. I don't care if she got smart with or argued with some of these bullies at one point or another. I don't care if SM and AR were supposed to be committed to these other girls while they were doing whatever with Phoebe. I also don't care if Phoebe had a history of depression or had previously seen a therapist. I also don't care about anything else negative these people have to say about Phoebe. and honestly NOBODY should care. This is not about that.

    These girls harassed Phoebe to the breaking point. They called her derogatory names, pushed books out of her hand, shoved her into lockers, followed her into bathrooms, yelled at her in class and in the cafeteria, told her to go kill herself, and at least on one final occasion threw a beverage can at her. I've also read that they would make fun of her for wearing scarves (???) and would grab on to them while she was walking, but I don't think I've seen an official report of that. They continued their harassment online and through text messaging. Who knows what else happened that we don't know about.

    So basically, enough of this "whole story" crap. If Phoebe did every one of the things I listed in the first paragraph, she would be not be very different at all from many 14-15 year old girls. A young girl lost her life too soon and none of this "whole story" stuff is going to change my opinion that the actions of these girls are what caused Phoebe to lose her will to live.

    end rant.

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    Strange thing I realized a few days ago. I realized that I remember the afternoon of January 14th very clearly. I had left work early as I had a class for the first time that night and wanted to read a bit of my book before class. I got home and had a ton of interruptions and kept getting really annoyed. I gave up on trying to read so I went on my computer for a bit then had some dinner and went to class.

    I realize now that as I was getting home, Phoebe was likely taking her last walk home from school, getting a beverage can thrown at her as well as several insults. I realize as I was trying unsuccessfully to sit on my couch and read a chapter out of my textbook for class, Phoebe was likely sending and receiving her last text messages. As I was giving up on actually getting the reading done, Phoebe was ending her life. As I was driving to school, her little sister arrived home to find her big sister had taken her life. As I was sitting waiting for class to start, wondering whether my teacher would be nice or not but she looked nice, Phoebe’s mother was finding out her daughter was dead.

    Sorry this is kind of morose and off topic. I know there’s a lot of discussion going on tonight with the committee meeting and all. It’s just something I realized a few days ago when it clicked that Jan 14th was a Thursday and thus was the first day of one of my classes and a memorable one at that because I remember how annoyed I was getting by everything that afternoon. I keep going back to that day and realizing what was happening about 6 hours north of me at the same time and it’s just been kind of haunting. It feels like it could have just been yesterday. It’s been going around in my head for a few days and since it’s been three months today I figured I’d share and hopefully some of you won’t mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRyan View Post
    I just had to look up tapatio online, I may try that.
    it's good on fish

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    I can't stand this. I can't stand how those people in SH are. I can't stand how the school covers everything and the police do nothing. I can't stand it. I'm so upset I'm crying right now. Poor Phoebe. Poor Phoebe's friends. Poor other students getting picked on.
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