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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Maybe she was a sensitive kid...
    Through the very dry and clinical description of events in that charges PDF regarding that last day, I get the impression she really was. Can you imagine being so terrified that you ask others if you can walk in the middle of them through the halls?

    This whole story get more and more awful.

    I'm actually dreading what we're going to read if they release another PDF with details on the charges for the other three.
    Last edited by JBean; 04-09-2010 at 09:12 PM. Reason: broken quote

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    Kids can be popular, beautiful, smart, and highly successful and STILL be bullied. The two girls on the Dr. Phil show attest to that, class president, valedictorian, scholarships, cheerleader etc.......she was STILL bullied to the point of changing schools right before her graduation.

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    "Bullying is not a rite of passage"

    By Renee Ordway
    Special to the NEWS

    Sometimes we learn how to behave by watching the examples of those around us.

    Sometimes we learn how not to behave.
    Gus isn’t coming across so well.
    "Gus has been busy since he got back from vacation last week, holding interviews and telling reporters that there was little the school could have done to intervene in the bullying.

    Two girls were disciplined a week before Prince died, and Gus told the media that to “our knowledge the action taken was effective in ending their involvement in any bullying of Phoebe.”

    Maybe not, Gus.

    Gus told the press that Prince had failed to alert others to the bullying.

    Investigators and witnesses say that was far from the case.

    Gus told the press that he thinks “there were probably a number of causes” for Prince’s suicide and was surprised that the local district attorney drew such a strong connection between the bullying she endured and the suicide.

    There are lessons to be learned this week from watching Gus.
    http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/140840.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by raeann View Post
    Kids can be popular, beautiful, smart, and highly successful and STILL be bullied. The two girls on the Dr. Phil show attest to that, class president, valedictorian, scholarships, cheerleader etc.......she was STILL bullied to the point of changing schools right before her graduation.

    jmoo
    At my DD's high school it was the pretty and popular girls that got picked on by the girls that weren't so popular or pretty. One night they did 25K dollars worth of damage to homes, cars and various other properties. I was a lucky one. I only got around $1000.00 worth of damage to my house and my daughters new car.

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    Am I remembering right that the actual charges for the first three were released once their booking was completed?

    If so since the older ones were booked today, we might be seeing the release of those documents soon as well.

    Or was the document release from the first unconnected with the booking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    Through the very dry and clinical description of events in that charges PDF regarding that last day, I get the impression she really was. Can you imagine being so terrified that you ask others if you can walk in the middle of them through the halls?

    This whole story get more and more awful.

    I'm actually dreading what we're going to read if they release another PDF with details on the charges for the other three.
    I agree with all of this. She likely was sensitive. I myself am sensitive, I'm not a fighter. I don't start fights, I don't like them. I prefer to be left alone, much like how the witness described Phoebe. I guess because I myself am that way, I can truly understand how all of this got her to the point where she mentally felt she couldn't deal with it any longer. I had a situation myself, which I may talk more about another time, that wasn't nearly as bad as Phoebe's but still greatly affected me and still does to this day. And this situation happened at age 23 for me, not 14-15 like Phoebe.

    I too am dreading what we're going to read next if they release more info, but at the same time sort of hoping it helps clear some questions up that we have. The indictments we read yesterday still haunt me even though from all the information we gathered I pretty much already knew. Just seeing it all together in print with more specifics just really horrified me as well as many others, it seems.

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    Okay...I think I found some stuff on Boisselle, through his Daughter A., who is not a minor. She is mentioned in this blog from run4chocolate...
    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/pathetic/

    There may have been an attempt to hide, the twitter profile is in "Steve McQueen's" name. She is in college. She speaks quite openly on her twitter, and links to another page that names her. I wondered if it was a female or male, I knew it was a Boisselle, but a few comments led me to female. We may be able to find other, more relevant players twitter feeds through her friends list...

    She reacts to run4chocolates post about her...that tells me it is her...she threatens a poster named concernedfather, I think he's on craigslist, he's been saying critical things of the administration, I've seen him around...wants to crush his "bits"...whoa...

    http://twitter.com/Yehan123

    There were a of couple points of interest, though...imo

    On twitter, from March 29th-March31 she speaks of her family name being trashed in the masslive comments, about being from South Hadley, she now attends college, is a film student, in Philly. I find the attitude relevant, it may tell us a little of the attitude of her Father, Edward Boisselle, the school committe chairman.

    February 21- She speaks of her brother drunk driving and her "parents bailed him out". What that means...no idea.

    ETA: And she also said, around March, I believe, that bullying was bad when she was in high school.

    From other page, linked off of the twitter page...

    "Locked in Safety
    Project by A. Boisselle"

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...cked-in-safety
    Last edited by Paladine; 04-09-2010 at 11:51 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    Through the very dry and clinical description of events in that charges PDF regarding that last day, I get the impression she really was. Can you imagine being so terrified that you ask others if you can walk in the middle of them through the halls?

    This whole story get more and more awful.

    I'm actually dreading what we're going to read if they release another PDF with details on the charges for the other three.
    That is not what I got from the charging documents, I think what happened is that she got herself into a situation that was too much for her to handle.

    The one thing that has been bothering me about this story is why these kids were so virulent in their behaviour, when it struck me this afternoon. There has to be a backstory to all of this, one we are not as yet hearing about. Reading the pdf charging documents it is clear that this was all about sex and teenage relationships.

    I think what was happening is that Phoebe was using sex as a tool in her attempts to form relationships with the boys she wanted. Two of these boys have been charged with stat rape, so there were at least two, possibly others we don't know about, who had sex with her. It seems these boys allready had girlfriends, and for those girls Phoebe must have been very threatening. She was better looking than them and apparently willing to have sex, something that they perhaps were more conservative about. So how would they be able to compete with her?

    One way to compete would be to become more promiscous themselves, but that would be risky since they were less attractive and stood the risk of damaging their reputations if they did, which might have all sorts of unpredictable negative consequences. The other way was the anti-competition method of turning their rivals romantic weapons into liabilities, which is what they seem to have done.

    Basically what they did was try to isolate her by very publicly putting her in the middle of the crosshairs by exposing her sexual behaviour. This would have the effect of alerting every other girl in the school that she was a potential threat to their romantic interests, as well as making her a romantic pariah for boys. For them, having sex with her would get them bragging rights, but any attempt to have a romantic relationship would expose them to derision as a pathetic loser for doing so. The end result would be that she would become the kid that few wanted to be around, which in turn would make her even more vulnerable for further targeting.

    If you think about it, this is a very effective way for a girl to eliminate a romantic rival with little risk, and that particular story probably plays out thousands of times across the country in every school (and beyond). In most cases suicides don't result though.

    In this particular fight Phoebe probably turned and ran very early on in the conflict since she was outnumbered, but the other girls (being immature and all) just kept on pursueing her even though the war was won. Btw, I think that this was very much a girl thing, the boys involved were likely going with the flow in order to stay in their girlfriends good graces. For Phoebe it became unbearable. She would have desparately wanted it to stop, but on the other hand if she pushed the authorities or her parents too much about it there was the risk of her own initial role in all of this coming out and that may have been too much to bear as well. So in the end she did the only thing she thought she could do to stop it.
    Last edited by Natal; 04-10-2010 at 01:14 AM.

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    Anderson Cooper's covering Phoebe's case. I missed most here in EST, but those in other time zones may get it.
    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/0...chat/#comments


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    VIDEO:
    (NECN) - On the Braude Beat, more troubling details about the suicide of a Massachusetts teenager following relentless bullying. According to documents, 15-year-old Phoebe Prince had gone to a school administrator to get help.

    Governor Deval Patrick reacted to the report on WTKK this morning.

    Despite the comments, no adults have been charged. Will that change?

    Beth Shelburne and Jim Braude discuss the case.
    http://www.necn.com/04/09/10/Braude-...16&feedID=4215


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    That CBS news article is from February 5 -- way before the second media crush. I wouldn't at all consider the location of death relevant; it's wrong, and has been proven wrong, from the official court documents.

    I hope I don't sound impertinent, but I'm not really understanding all of the discussion about where she was found. Why is this important or relevant? I'm generally curious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    NOW...I'd really like to know more about that. WHO told the reporter it was a closet and if they did lie, why did they lie? Seems to have been alot of confusion in the beginning. I wonder if the media story was going to be a closet, a wardrobe...until the investigation got out of hand and the truth of the stairwell had to come out. Look at the deceptive media practices O'Brien told Cullen he was facing? He said something to the effect of a cover up. There is no report, I could find, anywhere, on whether she was inside or outside. Maybe it didn't make news for the same reason Dan Smiths investigation uncovered so little. Maybe, they didn't want it to. I'm just feeling very suspicious. And I can't shake it.

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    coming up now on Anderson Cooper...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Okay...I think I found some stuff on Boisselle, through his Daughter A., who is not a minor. She is mentioned in this blog from run4chocolate...
    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/pathetic/

    There may have been an attempt to hide, the twitter profile is in "Steve McQueen's" name. She is in college. She speaks quite openly on her twitter, and links to another page that names her. I wondered if it was a female or male, I knew it was a Boisselle, but a few comments led me to female. We may be able to find other, more relevant players twitter feeds through her friends list...

    She reacts to run4chocolates post about her...that tells me it is her...she threatens a poster named concernedfather, I think he's on craigslist, he's been saying critical things of the administration, I've seen him around...wants to crush his "bits"...whoa...
    I think you are right about who that is. The Litterbox blog did make a mistake in his criticism of her, though. He made a comment about her being a member of "Friends With Benefits" group on facebook, but I clicked the link on that group and it appears to be a movie fan page, not what Sauerkraut was implying.

    Concerned_Father2 is all over the masslive/south hadley forums. He's had a lot of interesting information, and has often posted about having screenshots of the early facebook and twitter pages and such, but I've not seen him actually share them anywhere. Recently the Masslive forum has degenerated into 90% fighting and little information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hndinglove View Post
    That CBS news article is from February 5 -- way before the second media crush. I wouldn't at all consider the location of death relevant; it's wrong, and has been proven wrong, from the official court documents.

    I hope I don't sound impertinent, but I'm not really understanding all of the discussion about where she was found. Why is this important or relevant? I'm generally curious.
    Any case related questions/topics are welcome. Members are welcome to post whatever they wish, as long as it follows TOS. If you are interested in other aspects, you are free to post and discuss on such. Me?...I follow TOS and post what interests me. We have not had clear evidence of where she was found. That interests me. When I follow a case, I usually start with the death. I'm nit picky like that.
    Last edited by Paladine; 04-09-2010 at 11:45 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    That is not what I got from the charging documents, I think what happened is that she got herself into a situation that was too much for her to handle.

    The one thing that has been bothering me about this story is why these kids were so virulent in their behaviour, when it struck me this afternoon. There has to be a backstory to all of this, one we are not as yet hearing about. Reading the pdf charging documents it is clear that this was all about sex and teenage relationships.
    I think you are onto something here. When/if the charing documents for the two boys and flannery are released I think we may have a better picture of what was going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    Basically what they did was try to isolate her by very publicly putting her in the middle of the crosshairs by exposing her sexual behavour. This would have the effect of alerting every other girl in the school that she was a potential threat to their romantic interests, as well as making her a romantic pariah for boys. For them, having sex with her would get them bragging rights, but any attempt to have a romatic relationship would expose them to derision as a pathetic loser for doing so. The end result would be that she would become the kid that few wanted to be around, which in turn would make her even more vulnerable for further targeting.
    This would go a long way to explaining why it seems so difficult to find posts/pictures/information from any real friends Phoebe may have had. There really weren't any.

    The ones who claim to have been her friends don't seem to mention her before she died, don't have pictures of her to post, and often are also members of facebook groups mad at the media attention or supporting the boys/bullies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    In this particular fight Phoebe probably turned and ran very early on in the conflict since she was outnumbered, but the other girls (being immature and all) just kept on pursueing her even though the war was won. Btw, I think that this was very much a girl thing, the boys involved were likely going with the flow in order to stay in their girlfriends good graces. For Phoebe it became unbearable. She would have desparately wanted it to stop, but on the other hand if she pushed the authorities or her parents too much about it there was the risk of her own initial role in all of this coming out and that may have been too much to bear as well. So in the end she did the only thing she thought she could do to stop it.
    Excellent post, thanks for sharing this.

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