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    Singing Girl in Headphones

    We talked so much about this picture in the original thread because of all the stuff in the background, trying to date it, etc., that I thought for sure we had a thread for this girl already, but I can't find one, so if there is one please merge for me Mods.

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/01431.jpg

    I just wanted to point out that when I enlarged this picture this girl looks to me like she has some serious arthritis issues or something going on with her left hand.
    Yes?

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    I'm not absolutely certain that this is a girl. Her/his expression is distorting her/his face so much, I keep flip-flopping. Guys and girls both wore that hairstyle back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
    I'm not absolutely certain that this is a girl. Her/his expression is distorting her/his face so much, I keep flip-flopping. Guys and girls both wore that hairstyle back then.
    I'm going with it being a girl.
    The choker collar though worn by some boys, was still overwhelmingly a female thing, and the ring on the left hand. Looks like there might be breasts as well.
    The only boyish thing is the eyebrows really.
    Looks pretty young, probably not into plucking.
    May be our backbender, since folks are not positive of the gender because of hair underarm, and the eyebrows but because of it being cut off where it is and they think it might be female, due to the hair length I am thinking this is possible.

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    I recognized another album cover, don't think this one was called out before. It's another Jefferson Airplane LP, After Bathing At Baxters (1967), about 6 discs to the left of the Cream LP. It's the one that looks like a Y-shaped twig on a white background, under a blue top band.

    For what it's worth, I think the kid in blue denim is a boy--looks it, and that kind of unselfconscious "rock" move is something a teenage girl would be unlikely to do, especially when a cute stranger was taking photos.

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    The denim shirt buttons on the side of a woman's blouse. The jeans also have the zipper fly on the side of women's clothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    The denim shirt buttons on the side of a woman's blouse. The jeans also have the zipper fly on the side of women's clothing.
    Good catch on the buttons. Yeah, that pushes it towards being a girl.

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    Fwiw

    ON the Nancy grace site, there are 4 photos of this room.
    3 of the photos have this girl shown here, and the other is a different girl but in the same room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billylee View Post
    We talked so much about this picture in the original thread because of all the stuff in the background, trying to date it, etc., that I thought for sure we had a thread for this girl already, but I can't find one, so if there is one please merge for me Mods.

    http://cnnnancygrace.files.wordpress...0/03/01431.jpg

    I just wanted to point out that when I enlarged this picture this girl looks to me like she has some serious arthritis issues or something going on with her left hand.
    Yes?
    Billy, yes there is another thread in relation to this picture and others

    Different girls, Same room. (Blue carpet, radio, records & Headphones) - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

    Hope this helps
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    For cross-reference purposes: I posted a wild hunch involving this girl on the long-hair fur-coat woman thread.

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Girl with dark long hair and fur coat.


    The gist is that maybe this girl is that woman 6 years earlier, about 1971. Bonus W.A.G. is that both of them are Ellen Hover.

    One point is that the Huntington Beach and other West Coast PDs may not have had any pictures (or very good ones) of the East Coast victims Hover or Cornelia Crilley before they released the locker pics. (They may also have missed 1971 victim Crilley as the blonde headphone girl in the same apartment. I posted a side-by-side for her on that thread.)

    Alcala apparently used the alias "John Berger" with Hover in 1977 in New York. She left that name as the last entry in her date book. Alcala had used that name in 1971 as a student in New York and also as a camp counselor in New England. John Berger was identified as Most Wanted List fugitive Rodney Alcala, arrested for the earlier Tali S. crimes, whipped back to CA, tried, convicted and imprisoned for a spell.

    I can't imagine why he would use "John Berger" again in New York in 1977 unless he ran into someone who already knew him by that name.
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    The match with Fur Coat Woman is looking less likely to me against new info, but try this on:



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    Isn't that Ellen Hover on the right? Wasn't Alcala just indicted with her murder a day or two ago in New York? Wasn't singing girl in his California apartment? I don't understand what you are trying to say about this? Ellen Hovers case apparently has already been investigated and now will go to the next step in getting Alcala convicted of it.

    Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying here.
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    To me these women look nothing alike. I believe there is another picture of "singer girl" with her eyes open which will show she does not look like Ellen Hoover at all. Alcala indicted for 2 more murders. Oh, goody. That means he will have more computers to play with and go on crime forum sites with. And I guess this means it will give him a long reprieve from the electric chair.

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    I just looked it up and it looks like California has the gas chamber (though not used anymore) and lethal injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norest4thewicked View Post
    Isn't that Ellen Hover on the right? Wasn't Alcala just indicted with her murder a day or two ago in New York? Wasn't singing girl in his California apartment? I don't understand what you are trying to say about this? Ellen Hovers case apparently has already been investigated and now will go to the next step in getting Alcala convicted of it.

    Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying here.
    Singing Girl appears to be in Alcala's New York aparment circa 1971, about the time of the Crilley murder and when Hover would have been 17 years old.

    Here's what I'm postulating:

    1) In 1971 fugitive Alcala is studying in New York under the name John Berger and living by most reports the swinging bachelor life. He is wanted in CA for the Tali S. attack.

    2) Hover, 17 years old, is photographed with him in his apartment. She's Singing Girl. Whether anyone else is there with them is irrelevant. Whatever happened in 1971, she gets away from there just fine in her own mind and still trusts John Berger.

    3) Cornelia Crilley is murdered by Alcala / Berger and he leaves town for a camp counselor job in the New England boonies.

    4) The FBI puts fugitive Alcala on its Most Wanted List and John Berger is blown as being Alcala. He is arrested and returned to CA to be convicted and serve time.

    5) In 1977 he obtains permission to visit family in New York and flies back across the country. There is no reason to think he would be deliberately using the "John Berger" alias at this time. The police know about John Berger being Alcala. However ...

    6) In New York, he hears "John Berger!! Is that YOU???" Now he has two choices. He can say, "Well, actually, my real name is Rodney Alcala. I used to be known here as John Berger ... uhhh ... because ..." But he actually says, "Oh! Hey! Hi, Ellen!" She agrees to do a modeling shoot for him.

    7) She writes the name "John Berger" in her date book.

    And the rest is history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird View Post
    To me these women look nothing alike.
    The parallels are overwhelming for me. But I'm getting used to the idea that other people are not going to see what I see.

    I believe there is another picture of "singer girl" with her eyes open which will show she does not look like Ellen Hoover at all.
    We need that on this thread. First I've heard of it.

    Alcala indicted for 2 more murders. Oh, goody. That means he will have more computers to play with and go on crime forum sites with. And I guess this means it will give him a long reprieve from the electric chair.
    I hope not. I want the answers to who these people are and what happened, but I also want absolutely no deals. Period. Last I heard before the news of this indictment, New York was happy with him being on death row in CA and did not plan to ask for extradition for a trial. I hope that's still true.

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