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    WA - Mackenzie Cowell, 17, Wenatchee, 9 Feb 2010 - #17

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    Alt.theory - I look forward to reading your next post. You have posted very useful information in an easy to read format. Grasping and understanding it takes me a bit longer....

    Puf - I am looking forward to your timeline. I have been gone for a week and trying to catch up.

    With respect to the gangs; graffiti is a way to 'claim' turf or a geographical area of operations. Putting the gang sign/name out there does not necessarily mean that the person doing the graffiti is in the gang; merely that they are copying it for some reason (i.e., thought it was cool, liked the 'style', emulating big brother, etc. etc.).

    All right, I am looking forward to your posts. I can't get into the chat room so that line of thought is not in my purview. Help me out and stay here to discuss our theories.

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    Chat room? Been there...done that. So I am back here. It's like being in a room with 20people and 6 different conversations being discussed layed on top of each other. It does allow faster volleying back and forth (provided you type 100 words/minute)...though never figured out how to make the text bigger...and getting bumped off the net. But then the chat went to "animalhouse" then to facebook. Not my cup of tea and come to find out from "mystery guest" that LE is months ahead of us. Personally, I think it is counterproductive for our quest.
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    Months ahead??

    What did "Guest" discuss?? I was not on late last night.

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    Good to know that LE is months ahead of us!! That gives me hope.

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    It seems not everyone who knew MC thought she was all peaches and creme, as exampled by this brief, but telling FB exchange:



    I'm sorry for posting this and also for not posting a link to the source but I feel it is relevant and important for us to read that exchange so that we are aware there are people who, for whatever reason, held unkind thoughts of MC before she went missing. And the reason for those thoughts might or might not have anything to do with what MC did or did not say or do but it is important to know those emotions were out there.

    AFAIK, the exchange did not involve any family members.

    For the person in that exchange holding those ill thoughts, it simply could have been the result of MC having turned down a date or that person might have been of the 'teaser' ilk.

    The point is, this might be one of the situations preventing LE from 'solving' this case sooner rather than later: too many possibilities.

    How many MC acquaintences held similar thoughts, and why? What might have occurred to cause one or more of those acquaintenances to deliver such anger and rage and pain upon a seemingly sweet girl?

    ... just another piece of some larger puzzle.
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    The simple truth is that one could inquire of five different people about their perceptions about any one of us and get five different answers. It is for certain that there is not one among us who walks on water

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    Thank you Chuck....I was not sure whether to post that information or not....

    I also found it somewhat relevant, only in the fact that many had posted that everyone who knew her adored and loved her, and this post wasnt in accordance with that belief

    Any thoughts on the other information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astraea View Post
    Thank you Chuck....I was not sure whether to post that information or not....

    I also found it somewhat relevant, only in the fact that many had posted that everyone who knew her adored and loved her, and this post wasnt in accordance with that belief

    Any thoughts on the other information?
    I thank you too Chuck and Hi Astraea, IMO it goes to profiling the victim which is what I believe the FBI did right away since the CARD team was there. Learning everything they can would help them put the puzzle together sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquariun Sun~ View Post
    The simple truth is that one could inquire of five different people about their perceptions about any one of us and get five different answers. It is for certain that there is not one among us who walks on water
    Hi Aquarian, What I have read doesn't go so much to her being a good or bad girl but rather to her personality and what she liked. Those things are what have been mentioned that might have distanced her from some kids. IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckMaureen View Post
    It seems not everyone who knew MC thought she was all peaches and creme, as exampled by this brief, but telling FB exchange:



    I'm sorry for posting this and also for not posting a link to the source but I feel it is relevant and important for us to read that exchange so that we are aware there are people who, for whatever reason, held unkind thoughts of MC before she went missing. And the reason for those thoughts might or might not have anything to do with what MC did or did not say or do but it is important to know those emotions were out there.

    AFAIK, the exchange did not involve any family members.

    For the person in that exchange holding those ill thoughts, it simply could have been the result of MC having turned down a date or that person might have been of the 'teaser' ilk.

    The point is, this might be one of the situations preventing LE from 'solving' this case sooner rather than later: too many possibilities.

    How many MC acquaintences held similar thoughts, and why? What might have occurred to cause one or more of those acquaintenances to deliver such anger and rage and pain upon a seemingly sweet girl?

    ... just another piece of some larger puzzle.
    Thanks for posting that. Those are some mean things that person said. Were they friends with MC?

    I remember at one point on WW, someone was talking about the possibility of someone being infatuated with MC and her beauty. Then, someone posted that the picture we were seeing was just really good and she wasn't that pretty. It was obviously an immature, jealous person that wrote that because we've all seen that she was pretty.

    According to Gone Too Soon, MC was very timid, which could come off as being arrogant and snobby. I can see someone calling her those names because of this perception. We've heard from a few differen sources close to MC that she was a sweet girl who wasn't into drugs. However, someone still said those comments above about her. That does give us some insight into another possibility. Teens, especially girls, can be so mean.

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    For those wondering... I spoke with 2 different teachers on separate occasions where the conversation turned to the MC case. Basically 2 things were gleaned:

    1. A teacher who had MC as a student (not this year) stated that she was obviously much more needing of male attention that what the teacher considered "normal" at her age.

    2. Evidently there was some sort of shrine with pictures etc at the HS. A teacher, not at all associated with MC in anyway, was browsing through the photos and noticed a pic with MC and a bunch of boys. All boys were flashing gang signs. The teacher asked for the photo to be removed.

    #1 is one person's opinion, #2, I take as fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Optimism View Post
    Thanks for posting that. Those are some mean things that person said. Were they friends with MC?

    I remember at one point on WW, someone was talking about the possibility of someone being infatuated with MC and her beauty. Then, someone posted that the picture we were seeing was just really good and she wasn't that pretty. It was obviously an immature, jealous person that wrote that because we've all seen that she was pretty.

    According to Gone Too Soon, MC was very timid, which could come off as being arrogant and snobby. I can see someone calling her those names because of this perception. We've heard from a few differen sources close to MC that she was a sweet girl who wasn't into drugs. However, someone still said those comments above about her. That does give us some insight into another possibility. Teens, especially girls, can be so mean.


    The poster of those negative comments was a male...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandi View Post
    Hi Aquarian, What I have read doesn't go so much to her being a good or bad girl but rather to her personality and what she liked. Those things are what have been mentioned that might have distanced her from some kids. IMO
    I could not agree with you more.

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    Since we are in a new thread, the following are some links to information from the previous thread that may be of interest going in, especially to new readers/posters:

    Original timeline by pufnstuf with clickable links and a "who's who" in the case

    A synopsis of resevoir water levels compiled ay alt.theory

    Also, pictures by "Inspector Rose," aka Autumn Rose
    and pictures by jarethamarie.

    Hope it's OK to post these links to the pictures (if not I will delete them).

    Hopefully, pufnstuf and alt.theory can repost their original information instead of just having these links, if they so desire.
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