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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    By all means don't bother your friend while he is busy.
    BBM. Acquiring US citizenship by serving in the US military is not ringing a bell for me. I think I recall reading non US citizens have served in the US military, but I can't recall where or why. Someone more familiar with military will have to answer. I don't have any military in my family, outside of the reserves....

    hth
    The post I was referring to was by Annasmom here:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...da#post5136718

    She recalls that US citizenship could be granted by service in the Army, but I have seen no verification. This would be interesting to follow up. Would such service then count as a rejection of Italian citizenship? Such an act would deny any descendants from claiming Italian citizenship in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    This is excellent information to know, but I don't know where we would go with narrowing down a possible Anna. Outside of looking at adoptees with more than one possible link via name, dob, etc. to what we know of GB... IF they would have been able to create a ficticous id for Anna - technically they could have picked any date or any info.....

    tia
    I don't know how to search birth records. I'm a total noob here. Sorry. But, if they were filing a certificate to establish identity to claim citizenship, then the paternity would have to match the family line. If Waters is filing the false certificate, his signature would be on the form as a witness (attending physician, and/or filing party...).

    Is there a way to search birth records around Anna's time of birth for any babies surname Brody or Broda? Also, in the records available by internet, does it include the name(s) of attendant or filing parties? If this scenario played out, this should be George Waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideKick View Post
    I wrote the St. Louis Mercantile Library to confirm about passenger lists as I thought the answer was vague. This is what I received today.

    ~
    For what has been processed there are no passenger lists listed in the finding aid. Each folder does contain multiple items, so there is no way to tell if the folder might contain general passenger information.

    There is also no way to tell if there is general passenger, or passenger lists, in the unprocessed part of the collection. I hope that helps. If I come across something I will be sure to let you know.

    So, we're hovering, they may or may not contain passenger lists. Hopefully, fingers crossed the unprocessed collection will have something to go on.

    Remaining hopeful
    I want to bump this up. This needs to be looked at further. Do we know if the folders are filed by Day and Date? I would be happy to write again or call if you can get me the information as to where you inquired. I keep thinking that there would be a record of a couple from Italy coming in and a return flight with an additional person. I don't know how long the flight is, but could GW have gone with them, if so, does that line up with the dates he was not at the hotel? He may have only paid for there tickets in and out and Anna's. If that is the case, where were they, GW and GB?

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    I want to bump this up. This needs to be looked at further. Do we know if the folders are filed by Day and Date? I would be happy to write again or call if you can get me the information as to where you inquired. I keep thinking that there would be a record of a couple from Italy coming in and a return flight with an additional person. I don't know how long the flight is, but could GW have gone with them, if so, does that line up with the dates he was not at the hotel? He may have only paid for there tickets in and out and Anna's. If that is the case, where were they, GW and GB?
    ~

    Hi Bern,

    I wouldn't know how these files are actually documented. Here is the link to the St. Louis Mercantile Library. Good Luck!

    http://www.umsl.edu/mercantile/
    Anna Christian Waters Web Page
    www.searchingforanna.com

    Anna Christian Water's WS Forum
    www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=104

    Search FB: Anna Christian Waters
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    Cutator response

    Dear Ms. Bern

    Unfortunately, no additional processing on the collection has occurred since the last request for this information. The only way to research the information would be to visit our Rare Book Reading Room, but there would be no guarantee that after looking through the collection it would contain what you need. Please let me know if I can answer any additional questions or concerns.

    Sincerely,
    Deborah

    Deborah E. xxxxx
    Curator, Special Collections
    Research Services Librarian
    St. Louis Mercantile Library
    at the University of Missouri-St. Louis
    One University Blvd.
    St. Louis, MO 63121-4499
    (314) 516-7280
    (314) 516-7241 Fax

    This simply is not good enough for me, if there is a chance there is a LEAD to where Anna is, I want it. I will be opening a thread for a draft letter to an Agent, please help me fill in dates, or pertinent information that needs to be sent in order to get someone to look at the possibility that Anna was taken to Italy!

    Thanks

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    Second plead for assistance

    Okay, I wrote again and here is my reply.

    Dear Ms.

    The TWA collection is quite large and unfortunately there is no way to answer your question. You may want to contact American Airlines, who bought TWA, to see if they can assist with a passenger list. I wish you luck! If you have any additional questions feel free to email me or Charles Bxxxn (cbxxxxx@umsl.edu), who I am copying on this email.

    Sincerely,
    Deborah

    Deborah xxxxx
    Curator, Special Collections
    Research Services Librarian
    St. Louis Mercantile Library
    at the University of Missouri-St. Louis
    One University Blvd.
    St. Louis, MO 63121-4499
    (314) 516-7280
    (314) 516-7241 Fax
    xxxxxx@umsl.edu

  7. #67
    Hi Bern,

    From what I recall, American Airlines sent me an auto reply and never did send one to me clarifying my request to TWA passenger lists. You may contact AA perhaps you'll have more luck than I did.

    Best, SK
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  8. #68

    TWA Followup to no avail.. Etc.

    I wrote The St. Louis Mercantile Library in MO again and this is the reply I received today:

    Dear XX:

    We did not acquire TWA passenger lists and they are not among the documents in our TWA collection. We have mostly mechanical, training andadvertisement-related documents. I do not have other contacts to extendyour search.

    Thanks, Charles E. Brown Assistant Director & Head of Reference
    St. Louis Mercantile Library at theUniversity of Missouri-St. Louis
    One University Blvd.St. Louis, MO 63121-44991-314-516-7243

    ~~ so with this in mind is there anyone on the west coast who could perhaps go call the train service in 1973 and inquire about their passenger lists?

    ~~ long shot but Anna may have been taken via train as well

    ~~ I should post on another thread however, do we know of any nurses who worked with Dr. Waters at the Mission? Where any of them interviewed or did any of them call the Waters residence in HMB - where any doctors or nurses friends of Dr. Waters?

    ~ Annasmom, did Dr. Waters have any well off friends you were aware of?
    Anna Christian Waters Web Page
    www.searchingforanna.com

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    www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=104

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  9. #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by SideKick View Post
    I wrote The St. Louis Mercantile Library in MO again and this is the reply I received today:

    Dear XX:

    We did not acquire TWA passenger lists and they are not among the documents in our TWA collection. We have mostly mechanical, training andadvertisement-related documents. I do not have other contacts to extendyour search.

    Thanks, Charles E. Brown Assistant Director & Head of Reference
    St. Louis Mercantile Library at theUniversity of Missouri-St. Louis
    One University Blvd.St. Louis, MO 63121-44991-314-516-7243

    ~~ so with this in mind is there anyone on the west coast who could perhaps go call the train service in 1973 and inquire about their passenger lists?

    ~~ long shot but Anna may have been taken via train as well

    ~~ I should post on another thread however, do we know of any nurses who worked with Dr. Waters at the Mission? Where any of them interviewed or did any of them call the Waters residence in HMB - where any doctors or nurses friends of Dr. Waters?

    ~ Annasmom, did Dr. Waters have any well off friends you were aware of?
    As I recall, there was nobody at any of Dr. Waters' workplaces who knew anything about him apart from the job. We followed up on all the telephone calls he made after Brody's death, assuming that these were to people with whom he had some sort of relationship. I would say that essentially he had no friends at all after Brody took over, but remember I had not seen or heard from him for more than four years.

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    I doubt that Anna would have been taken by train, but anything is possible. The reason that we focused on planes - specifically TWA - is because Waters used his TWA credit card for a purchase in January/February 1973.
    Order the book "Searching For Anna" directly from [URL="http://www.lulu.com/conte


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie View Post
    I doubt that Anna would have been taken by train, but anything is possible. The reason that we focused on planes - specifically TWA - is because Waters used his TWA credit card for a purchase in January/February 1973.
    I had written a response but it disappeared!

    Thanks again Dr. Doogie, I mentioned train <modsnip>.

    Back in the TWA days was a TWA credit card only used for air flights? Or...anything else they offered?

    Tx, SK.
    Last edited by Salem; 04-11-2011 at 08:57 PM.
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    I believe that they also offered travel-related items like the binoculars that Waters purchased or luggage. But, primarily it was used for air travel.
    Order the book "Searching For Anna" directly from [URL="http://www.lulu.com/conte

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideKick View Post
    I had written a response but it disappeared!

    Thanks again Dr. Doogie, I mentioned train <modsnip>.

    Back in the TWA days was a TWA credit card only used for air flights? Or...anything else they offered?

    Tx, SK.
    What does "modsnip" mean?

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    When one of the moderators here removes words or sentences that violate our rules or break terms of service then that moderator will indicate when they have modified a post using the word <modsnip>. Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    When one of the moderators here removes words or sentences that violate our rules or break terms of service then that moderator will indicate when they have modified a post using the word <modsnip>. Hope that helps.
    OK, I have been here for quite sometime, if I wrote something 'wrong' please explain to me so I can learn from this. Who and why modsnipped my post?

    Thank you!
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