**Krista** (or any local)) have you search any info on this place? This first area they really started searching from
** (members of that search party were at Thornhill Farm off Highway 17 in McClellanville. The farm is serving as the staging area for the expanded search for Brittanee Drexel. Law enforcement officers from across the Lowcountry and the Grand Strand are planning to meet there Friday morning. )
Great information and links. I don't think the public dock is the one that was searched.
The first pic on this link shows the searched dock in the background. It is covered with pine straw (pic 1 & 3). I don't see any pine trees in the public dock photo. Also, in pic 1, you can see past the dock to the other side of the water. The water in that area looks muddy and dark and not as wide as the public dock pic. The dock of interest appears to be in an isolated location, not on the main river. It possibly could belong to someone who only comes down occasionally to fish and doesn't live there. Local kids know which places they can party at when the owner is absent.
Thanks for all your efforts!
The most well-known definition of probable cause is "a reasonable belief that a person has committed a crime". Another common definition is "a reasonable amount of suspicion, supported by circumstances sufficiently strong to justify a prudent and cautious person's belief that certain facts are probably true".
In the context of warrants, the Oxford Companion to American Law defines probable cause as "information sufficient to warrant a prudent person's belief that the wanted individual had committed a crime (for an arrest warrant) or that evidence of a crime or contraband would be found in a search (for a search warrant)". "Probable cause" is a stronger standard of evidence than a reasonable suspicion, but weaker than what is required to secure a criminal conviction. Even hearsay can supply probable cause if it is from a reliable source or supported by other evidence, according to the Aguilar-Spinelli test.
Last edited by stillwatersc; 05-01-2010 at 09:16 PM. Reason: move wikipedia link
Oh yes RoseC....great find. I thought it was interesting how poor Dawn happened to be down in MB for something else when this tip came in.
Last edited by Strawberry Fields; 05-01-2010 at 09:26 PM. Reason: Corrected spelling of dogs.
Where is Nancy Moyer?
You're really outdoing yourself!! I didn't hear that this is where they staged the search from!!
Turns out, it is RIGHT THERE at the entry of that same community!!
Here's a map of the area....thornhill farms is labeled as "C" and is just to the west of Hwy 17. You'd have to pass Thornhill to get to the area where I think the pictured dock is located. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...18539&t=h&z=16
Last edited by krista; 05-02-2010 at 12:50 AM.
This may or may not help, just thought I would thow it out there in relation to all the places you guys are mapping...IIRC, Pole Yard Landing was the first place named that LE were concentrating and centering their efforts. From there, they moved the 'staging area', as it was called, to Thornhill Farms. Also, right in this time, there was a lot of interest in and a thorough search of the property of Hopsewee Plantation made.
krista, I am not positive, but 'C' on the Google maps looks like it is right across from Pole Yard Landing, then to the west of that is Hopsewee and I think Thornhill Farms is a little further south on 17, just past Seven Mile Road. RoseC may know for sure since she lives closer to that area. Seven Mile Road sticks in my memory too for some reason, but it could just be that I remember it from some mapping I did way back last spring.
Last edited by SeaNymph; 05-02-2010 at 01:27 AM.
Based on these articles, it looks like Thornhill farms was just a staging area, not a potential site area. Thornhill serves the community with organic fruit and veggies...and they offer 'horticultural therapy' for disabled teens in the area.
While they don't appear to have any connection to this case, outside of having enough room and grounds to host all of the searchers, I do think it's interesting that this place works with teens from local high schools. While they are disabled, they are capable of doing farm work---which is seriously difficult work--so it seems possible that one or more of them COULD have driven a vehicle or harmed Brittanee. That being said, I really think this is just the staging area, and I sincerely hope this has NO connection to the teens working this farm.
It looks like THIS search was for the month following Brittanee's disappearance...in may, not december. I'm still looking for a later search and staging site for december...but I really believe this is the exact area they are focusing on!! Wish we could find that dock. During the first few searches, LE seemed split between the Frances Marion forest area and N Santee River. In December and again in January, they moved to a more specific area in and around the N Santee River....based on all of the new tips. Remember, Originally Brittanee's phone was pinged to the South Santee area, which would be very near Frances Marion Forest. I think her phone is in a different location than she is.
Last edited by krista; 05-02-2010 at 01:18 AM.
I really feel like LE might be releasing tiny snippets....little crumbs of info here and there...to see how certain people react. IMHO.
To answer the question regarding alerts for a HRD/cadaver dog. Different dogs take naturally to different alerts. Laying down absolutely would be one possible alert. If you were watching a video and the dog was in fact working and did this, I would say yes, it's a definite possibility. Just a side note, I always use caution when watching media clips though as I myself have had them show clips of me taking my dog outta the truck for a potty break and dubbed it as us "searching".
Hope that helps.
This may be a good source regarding the progressive searches. Looks like they have done a good job posting all news clips here:
I was trying to read a road sign on one of them, looked like from December, maybe "Caladonia", "Caldonna" or "Ladonna" on the road sign, not sure.
Look specifically at the clips, third down, just above the paragraph starting "Dawn Drexel of Rochester lays a wreath..." and then about three more below that, above the clip says "Search for missing teenager continues" from scnow.com, channel 13, 2:22 in length. If we could pin down that street sign we could get a much better idea of where this December search concentrated. I tried to stop the video at about 1:31-1:33, best I get looks more like "Ladonna".
Last edited by SeaNymph; 05-02-2010 at 02:07 AM.
sarx, regarding the dogs, I think this is the picture that piqued interest.
#2 in the slideshow
Wonder why would the handler get down on the dock like that unless the dog alerted?
And am I missing something, a paw in motion, or is that a 3-legged dog?
Last edited by SeaNymph; 05-02-2010 at 02:13 AM.
I'm not sure who to quote, so I'm just saying this as general info.
I'm going to rehash a rumor from January sparked by a local.
Some may remember. I took this with a grain of salt at the time and I still do.
A person suggested that searches were heavily focused in and around a farm/barn. One even suggested that B had been found in a barn. This area was located in McClellanville.
I'm unsure of the credibility here, and I do not believe B was found and we have heard nothing yet, but I just wanted to bring this rumor to the forefront again for new eyes. Especially since we have talks about a barn again.
Thanks for the hard work!
"The Varns found the glasses on the western side of the Santee Delta, a state-protected wildlife refuge made up of thousands and thousands of acres."
^^That is a little misleading. The W and E Santee Delta WMAs make 1,722 acres, most of it being the Santee Delta East WMA.
The Santee-Delta WMA is located on U.S. Highway 17 between the North and South Santee Rivers, approximately 12 miles south of Georgetown.
I attached a couple pictures that might help shed some light as to the location of the sunglasses.
Last edited by mlatta; 05-02-2010 at 09:28 AM. Reason: mixed up my East and West :)
FWIW, alternatively, Consider these two things:
1) If I recall from the pictures and video, the river searches were focused on the river banks and around bridges. Without a boat, these would be the places one would dispose of a body.
2) You got to have $ to have a boat. Also, a small degree of skill.. Unless you have your own dock on your property, you would have to load the boat onto a trailer, drive to a boat landing, unload, park -- point is, it's time consuming with a fair amount of public exposure... Also, it would leave another spot for some trace evidence to be left...
Just some thoughts
Last edited by mlatta; 05-02-2010 at 09:34 AM.
Questions for locals...
In this area where the search was conducted, what's the depth of the water in this area?
Would these waters be navigable with a canoe, raft or john boat (with or without trolling motor)?
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Also consider, the swamps!! Swamps are 6 inches in depth all the way up to 5 or more feet... The water is black (because tannic acid from decaying leaves on the forest floor darkens the water which drains into the river whenever it rains. ) There are also some Carolina Bays around this area... whether or not they contain water, I don't know. [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_bay[/ame]
Pole Yard Landing - This boat landing gets you into the deepwater part of the river fast... (I've seen pretty big boats put in from here)
PC could not have been better defined
In order to secure a conviction, there must be evidence presented that proves guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt". This goes much farther than PC.
This makes me wonder if LE already HAS enough PC to make the arrest, they're just waiting on more solid evidence before they proceed... This case is in the national public eye. They want to avoid making an arrest, and then being aquitted. I wonder if there are circumstances that amplify LE's scrutiny i.e. race of the POIs, and the possibility major racial tension...
One other thing to think about with regards to these possible areas/docks where BD could have been placed is the time of evening/night it supposedly occurred. It would have been pretty darn dark in those swampy areas and if this person/people had any sense they would have not wanted to have the headlights on to draw attention to what they were doing down in there. I shudder to think about those scary looking swamps. With BD being basically a "city gal" I sure hope she did not have to see this area if in fact she was placed down in there. It is just too horrible to think if she was awake/alert when she was brought down into any of those dock areas. I was reading on Morgan Harrington's threads last night and the same thought came to my mind. The place where her body was found and the area where BD was possibly taken would have been so desolate and dark, it seems only logical these perps would be locals, which I suppose has pretty much been stated by LE in BD's case, or at least the "persons of interest" are locals in her case.
[QUOTE=SeaNymph;5137745]This may be a good source regarding the progressive searches. Looks like they have done a good job posting all news clips here:
Wow, Really helpful site!! Thanks, SeaNymph!!