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    I have a question to SARX...from post #352

    1,700 people? 15-20 ft apart?
    How big of an area is this? and what is the terrain? Asking about the terrain because unless it's flat as a fritter and cement 15 to 20 feet apart is TOO FAR apart especially if you're looking for remains at this point. A proper line search is done 2 to 3 feet apart otherwise stuff gets missed.

    After seeing pictures of the terrain that we searched, have you done a search in terrain like this? And if so do you still agree that we should still be 2 to 3 feet apart for our next search?

    Hope to see you back on here soon...or somebody???...anybody???

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    Whoa---SK's FB page is being *invaded* again. I'm not a member so I can't report it.

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    Whoa---SK's FB page is being *invaded* again. I'm not a member so I can't report it.

    I just went to SK's FB page and submitted a report on that post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitar3 View Post
    I have a question to SARX...from post #352

    1,700 people? 15-20 ft apart?
    How big of an area is this? and what is the terrain? Asking about the terrain because unless it's flat as a fritter and cement 15 to 20 feet apart is TOO FAR apart especially if you're looking for remains at this point. A proper line search is done 2 to 3 feet apart otherwise stuff gets missed.

    After seeing pictures of the terrain that we searched, have you done a search in terrain like this? And if so do you still agree that we should still be 2 to 3 feet apart for our next search?

    Hope to see you back on here soon...or somebody???...anybody???
    I have been on searches in terrain like this, and yes, you have to be a lot closer than 15-20 feet apart to ensure that you don't miss anything. It's amazing how many nooks and crannies there are in an area like that that is even relatively open. Light and shadow and even the time of day play a big role in what you're able to see as well.

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    Having said that though, it's not always feasible. You can't always get that many people, so you do what you can with what you DO have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cats5vegas View Post
    Whoa---SK's FB page is being *invaded* again. I'm not a member so I can't report it.

    I just went to SK's FB page and submitted a report on that post.
    Thank you, that was certainly helpful. Just a note, if you click on the QUOTE button in the left hand corner, it will bring the quote up in the reply box that you wish to respond to....you won't have to type it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollyblue View Post
    Thank you, that was certainly helpful. Just a note, if you click on the QUOTE button in the left hand corner, it will bring the quote up in the reply box that you wish to respond to....you won't have to type it.
    Thanks! I'm a newbie to WS so hadn't figured that out yet. But I'm a PRO on FB, so I did know how to report an inappropriate post.

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    Hi Guitar, yes, I'll just back up what canyon said. I would say that I stand by my initial statement even more after seeing the terrain. Very true, sometimes it's not feasible, but in a case like this where time is not really as crucial under the assumption you are looking for remains (not likely he'd be out there still alive, KWIM?) I would work smaller grids and just set up more searches to work a grid at a time if need be with the people I have to avoid leaving an area uncovered.
    As to the 1700 people, 15-20 feet apart, if you use those numbers you would make a line approx. 6 1/2 miles long, that's a big area, much bigger than where the search took place . I don't see a grid search being organized being that the last one was so informal, so I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitar3 View Post
    I have a question to SARX...from post #352

    1,700 people? 15-20 ft apart?
    How big of an area is this? and what is the terrain? Asking about the terrain because unless it's flat as a fritter and cement 15 to 20 feet apart is TOO FAR apart especially if you're looking for remains at this point. A proper line search is done 2 to 3 feet apart otherwise stuff gets missed.

    After seeing pictures of the terrain that we searched, have you done a search in terrain like this? And if so do you still agree that we should still be 2 to 3 feet apart for our next search?

    Hope to see you back on here soon...or somebody???...anybody???
    The SP search on the same day (the "professional" search) had only 60 searchers assigned to TEN SQUARE MILES -- and some of those were in the ultralights.

    Frankly, if SK's search was for show, so was SP's (because I don't think she's anywhere near there ... and I believe LE knows that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cats5vegas View Post
    Thanks! I'm a newbie to WS so hadn't figured that out yet. But I'm a PRO on FB, so I did know how to report an inappropriate post.
    Both of them, right?

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    Were they looking for a body in the SP case (no familiar at all)? 60 searchers isn't enough for 10 square miles! But, it goes back to, if it's all you've got.... Also goes to if you're using pros, they should no how to track and do a number of other things that will make them more useful per person. Not a slam on community volunteers, but you would hope that people who spend a whole lot of time training would be better at searching than someone off the street. That's why we train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarx View Post
    Were they looking for a body in the SP case (no familiar at all)? 60 searchers isn't enough for 10 square miles! But, it goes back to, if it's all you've got.... Also goes to if you're using pros, they should no how to track and do a number of other things that will make them more useful per person. Not a slam on community volunteers, but you would hope that people who spend a whole lot of time training would be better at searching than someone off the street. That's why we train.
    A question: would trained and organized searchers generally participate in a search that's not sanctioned by law enforcement?

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    I agree, in slightly broken shrubby territory like that, you don't see things until you're right on top of them.

    When I was on a missing persons search many years ago, in fairly similar territory, we had to walk close enough to keep arms around each other. This was partly to make sure we didn't miss anything and partly so if somebody stepped into a hidden old mine shaft, we could catch them. And that did happen in one of the other groups. Nobody saw it before the person almost fell in. (We presume that's what happened to our friend, but we never found him.)

    We did find the remains of a winter-killed cow. Somebody stepped on that before she saw it, too.

    Fortunately the person next to me did see the rattlesnake a couple of steps before we got to it...

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