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    Lots of new drama over at The Litterbox. Looks like G.S.'s mom (or someone posing as her mom) posted a comment claiming that Kayla Narey is "a good kid."

    Sauerkraut's latest blog entry deals with her comment:

    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...onds/#comments

    She also responded in the comments here:

    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...eace/#comments

    Here's an excerpt from one of her comments:

    There really is good kids in this school, and yes we know Kayla very well, did you want Grace to just shut her out of her life, Kayla is a good kid and doesn’t deserve what you people are putting her through.
    Oh my. That's ... interesting, huh?

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    Does anyone have a link to the twitter posts mentioned on the second to last page of the previous thread?

    I'd be interested to see screen caps of the postings made by Ashley etc directly after Phoebe died. Hopefully the prosecution have copies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Cyper View Post
    Does anyone have a link to the twitter posts mentioned on the second to last page of the previous thread?

    I'd be interested to see screen caps of the postings made by Ashley etc directly after Phoebe died. Hopefully the prosecution have copies.
    Oh, yes...I think the DA has copies. I don't have Ashley's comment on screenshot, yet...but it's out there. And CF2, on masslive, has told me he may have some screenshots for us, they might include Ashley's...if I get it I'll send it to you. I haven't been back over to ask again, if someone else does, and gets it...please share.

    ETA: I THINK these were FB posts...not sure about twitter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeenaBobba View Post
    Lots of new drama over at The Litterbox. Looks like G.S.'s mom (or someone posing as her mom) posted a comment claiming that Kayla Narey is "a good kid."

    Sauerkraut's latest blog entry deals with her comment:

    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...onds/#comments

    She also responded in the comments here:

    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...eace/#comments

    Here's an excerpt from one of her comments:



    Oh my. That's ... interesting, huh?
    Very interesting. And, imo, after reading through that thread, it shines a whole new light the 'peace rally', for me...


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    Got some court dates in this article dated today, apologies if I missed somebody else posting this:

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...y-2142478.html

    It will take at least until this coming autumn for all of the defendants charged in the case to have their day in court. All three juvenile defendants, as required under Massachusetts law, must report by Friday afternoon to a juvenile court probation department. They were told by the judge in their cases to avoid the Prince family and keep the office informed of their whereabouts. A pre-trial conference has been scheduled for May 5, with a pre-trial hearing set for July 1.
    A pre-trial conference in the cases of Mulveyhill, Narey and Austin Renaud, who is charged with statutory rape, is set for June 29, meaning the defendants will not appear in court until a September 15 pre-trial hearing unless special proceedings are scheduled in the interim. If convicted, Renaud and Mulveyhill could face up to life imprisonment

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    Thanks, Lawrence... And good morning!


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    EJ, the writer, has made a comment on that last litterbox post...well worth a read, imo. He talks about Katie. B. ....


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    Memorial page on FB for Phoebe has a status update about Mulveyhill support page and supporters...
    http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id...05352276172296


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    Here's a link to a forum discussing formspring. Apparently, Phoebe was bullied on her formspring, too.

    This brings up an interesting thought, for me. On foamspring for a question to be posted, the owner must choose to post it...and answer it. Did Phoebe post questions from the bullies? And how did she respond? Was that another way she tried to "tell" what was going on with her, what they we're doing to her?
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    I've sent a 'suggestion' in to the Boston Herald, letting them know that the general community is interested in reading the full indictments against the six (not just the 3 'motions for joinder' that we've seen so far). I've also suggested that they investigate the 'Civil Rights violation resulting in bodily injury' to find out if the 'bodily injury' is the suicide or some other injury that was caused in the course of the harassment.

    Maybe if we all send in suggestions, they might work towards getting us more info (if it's available to the public)

    http://www.bostonherald.com/about/contact/ <-Send your suggestions in here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Here's a link to a forum discussing formspring. Apparently, Phoebe was bullied on her formspring, too.

    This brings up an interesting thought, for me. On foamspring for a question to be posted, the owner must choose to post it...and answer it. Did Phoebe post questions from the bullies? And how did she respond? Was that another way she tried to "tell" what was going on with her, what they we're doing to her?
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    Is it confirmed that she had one? If so, is it also deleted? I was aware of Facebook and supposedly the bullies put stuff on Craigs List, but had not seen any quotes or such from Formspring or other sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    Is it confirmed that she had one? If so, is it also deleted? I was aware of Facebook and supposedly the bullies put stuff on Craigs List, but had not seen any quotes or such from Formspring or other sites.
    I also read recently that the bullies had made a fake facebook for Phoebe and were making nasty comments and things like that on there. I doubt if Phoebe had a facebook she would be friends with these girls on there, and if they weren't friends they wouldn't have been able to leave comments on her personal facebook. Same for myspace. I don't know how formspring works or if Pheobe had one - but like you said I don't know why she would post nasty questions, especially if they were continuous. So it may be that the bullies made a fake one for Phoebe and made inappropriate innuendos regarding Phoebe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    Is it confirmed that she had one? If so, is it also deleted? I was aware of Facebook and supposedly the bullies put stuff on Craigs List, but had not seen any quotes or such from Formspring or other sites.
    New York Daily News is one media outlet that said she did...and I think there we're more. I have not found it. And I've looked...
    students said Phoebe was called "Irish slut" and "whore" on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring. Her books were routinely knocked out of her hands, items were flung at her, her face was scribbled out of photographs on the school walls, and threatening text messages were sent to her cell phone.
    And Maureen, thanks so much for that info! I will email, if enough do, we might get somewhere...ETA: DONE!
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...eenage_cy.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebear14 View Post
    I also read recently that the bullies had made a fake facebook for Phoebe and were making nasty comments and things like that on there. I doubt if Phoebe had a facebook she would be friends with these girls on there, and if they weren't friends they wouldn't have been able to leave comments on her personal facebook. Same for myspace. I don't know how formspring works or if Pheobe had one - but like you said I don't know why she would post nasty questions, especially if they were continuous. So it may be that the bullies made a fake one for Phoebe and made inappropriate innuendos regarding Phoebe.
    So, maybe they asked each other questions about Phoebe and trashed her that way...it's a possibility.

    But if she had her own...I'd really like to know if she posted any of the questions or comments in an attempt to rebut them...


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    EJ, the writer, who has interviewed many friends in SH, makes a comment on this blog posting that breaks down the relationship of the girls and Mulveyhill. He makes some must read comments as to Mulveyhills role and the connectedness of the 2 groups, imo...
    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...phoebe-prince/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    So, maybe they asked each other questions about Phoebe and trashed her that way...it's a possibility.

    But if she had her own...I'd really like to know if she posted any of the questions or comments in an attempt to rebut them...
    yes that's possible as well. seems like a lot of girls from SHHS have one of these so I wouldn't be surprised if she had her own and did in fact answer some questions in an attempt to rebut them. I also wouldn't be surprised if, like I said, the bullies made a fake one for her and asked/answered questions that showed Phoebe in a bad light. At this point, I don't think anything would surprise me, sadly.

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    Bill Cosby Right about Phoebe Prince’s Principal, Teachers
    http://www.***********.net/124344

    Added the Bill Cosby link above for the comments.

    Phoebe Prince wrote about self mutilation before suicide
    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Pho...-91364699.html

    Phoebe Prince wrote about self mutilation before she took her life, it has been revealed. It was a clear warning sign that the young Irish girl was deeply upset because of the bullying she was undergoing.

    However defense attorneys are expected to use the new evidence to show that Phoebe was inclined to suicide and self damage before the bullying allegations
    ugh! this whole thing is getting out of control. This girl wrote a report on a book she read, an assignment for class. I understand Irish Central is trying to make this look like a cry for help and yet another thing that went ignored but I just don't think it should be taken like that, especially at this point when we don't even know what prior issues she may or may not have had. Now people are going on about how she was mentally unstable or her mom should have been more involved, etc etc. I know it's not everybody but just some of the comments pissed me off. I just don't like how this is getting twisted around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebear14 View Post
    Bill Cosby Right about Phoebe Prince’s Principal, Teachers
    http://www.***********.net/124344

    Added the Bill Cosby link above for the comments.

    Phoebe Prince wrote about self mutilation before suicide
    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Pho...-91364699.html



    ugh! this whole thing is getting out of control. This girl wrote a report on a book she read, an assignment for class. I understand Irish Central is trying to make this look like a cry for help and yet another thing that went ignored but I just don't think it should be taken like that, especially at this point when we don't even know what prior issues she may or may not have had. Now people are going on about how she was mentally unstable or her mom should have been more involved, etc etc. I know it's not everybody but just some of the comments pissed me off. I just don't like how this is getting twisted around.
    This is only the beginning. With the actual court dates so far out we're going to see more and more of this over the summer. The defense and the supporters of the bullies are going to do anything they can to change people's minds about this BEFORE they get to trial.

    And the way they do that is to trash Phoebe.

    The more they get that done BEFORE the trials, then the LESS they have to do DURING the trial. Thus they avoid pissing off the jury by directly attacking the girl in court. Because that is "out there" and they only have to touch upon it to remind the jurors about Phoebe's alleged problems before she rudely incited those upstanding kids of SHHS.

    As a side note, this paper by her was a short assignment for a 9th grade English class and was posted ONLINE, not hidden away in her journal. It doesn't mean a thing. In 9th grade I wrote a paper about Hannibal, but it didn't mean I was likely to lead an army over the Alps to attack Rome. That would be really cool, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    This is only the beginning. With the actual court dates so far out we're going to see more and more of this over the summer. The defense and the supporters of the bullies are going to do anything they can to change people's minds about this BEFORE they get to trial.

    And the way they do that is to trash Phoebe.

    The more they get that done BEFORE the trials, then the LESS they have to do DURING the trial. Thus they avoid pissing off the jury by directly attacking the girl in court. Because that is "out there" and they only have to touch upon it to remind the jurors about Phoebe's alleged problems before she rudely incited those upstanding kids of SHHS.

    As a side note, this paper by her was a short assignment for a 9th grade English class and was posted ONLINE, not hidden away in her journal. It doesn't mean a thing. In 9th grade I wrote a paper about Hannibal, but it didn't mean I was likely to lead an army over the Alps to attack Rome. That would be really cool, though.

    And my son is reading Hiroshima as an all class assigned book right now, in addition to Auschwitz as a personal book report assignment in his literature class--- simply because this quarter they are concentrating on non-fiction literature works. He is and always has been interested in history and political science. That doesn't mean that he is going to participate in any of the actions that are described in either book. Too bad for the attorneys that they are way behind the eight ball here on being able to control public opinion.

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    On the day before Prince died, she allegedly told a friend "that she was accused by other girls at school of 'taking away' another girl's boyfriend; that she (Ms. Prince) was being targeted by peers and that accusations at school escalated to making threats of harming her. On January 13th, Ms. Prince explained school 'has been close to intolerable lately,'" the documents state.

    After her death, the documents go on to state investigators searched Prince's cell phone to learn she had apparently exchanged text messages with a friend before taking her own life.

    "The texts focused around the verbally abusive incidents Ms. Prince had been subjected to by Sean Mulveyhill, Kayla Narey and (Ashley Longe) earlier on the date of her death and her despair at the on-going taunting to which she was subjected," state the documents.
    http://www.wggb.com/Global/story.asp...nav=menu1460_2


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    This is only the beginning. With the actual court dates so far out we're going to see more and more of this over the summer. The defense and the supporters of the bullies are going to do anything they can to change people's minds about this BEFORE they get to trial.

    And the way they do that is to trash Phoebe.

    The more they get that done BEFORE the trials, then the LESS they have to do DURING the trial. Thus they avoid pissing off the jury by directly attacking the girl in court. Because that is "out there" and they only have to touch upon it to remind the jurors about Phoebe's alleged problems before she rudely incited those upstanding kids of SHHS.

    As a side note, this paper by her was a short assignment for a 9th grade English class and was posted ONLINE, not hidden away in her journal. It doesn't mean a thing. In 9th grade I wrote a paper about Hannibal, but it didn't mean I was likely to lead an army over the Alps to attack Rome. That would be really cool, though.
    oh yeah, I know - and I am prepared. I guess this issue, in particular, pisses off more. I feel that there's going to be more people who don't know what the ---- they're talking about than normal, because it's something a large majority of people don't understand.

    and yeah - I wrote a paper in 9th grade about the holocaust - and am still crazy interested in it to this day. I do not, however, plan on torturing and killing millions of people. and the point you made about it being online and not hidden away is awesome. I feel like if this was something really personal for her, she wouldn't put it out there like that, knowing it was online and that classmates and her teacher would see it. If I suffered from an eating disorder, especially at age 14-15, I definitely wouldn't be writing an essay about it that would be posted online.

    I think you hit the nail on the head a little while back, Laurence, when you said Phoebe is just one huge inconvenience for the people in SH. I'm not gonna say all, and I'm not even gonna say the majority although it could be, but for far too many she was and is an inconvenience and that's all. Too many don't care that a 15 year old lost her life too early or that a family is in an enormous amount of pain. They just care that their lives are being disrupted and that the whole country is looking at them, and that's it.

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    Thanks Phoenixfla for starting the thread to discuss Austin's new arrest. I already moved some posts over there.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102081"]Teen Arraigned in Phoebe Prince Case Arrested for Drunken Driving - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebear14 View Post
    I feel like if this was something really personal for her, she wouldn't put it out there like that, knowing it was online and that classmates and her teacher would see it. If I suffered from an eating disorder, especially at age 14-15, I definitely wouldn't be writing an essay about it that would be posted online.
    Agreed.

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    I think you hit the nail on the head a little while back, Laurence, when you said Phoebe is just one huge inconvenience for the people in SH. I'm not gonna say all, and I'm not even gonna say the majority although it could be, but for far too many she was and is an inconvenience and that's all. Too many don't care that a 15 year old lost her life too early or that a family is in an enormous amount of pain. They just care that their lives are being disrupted and that the whole country is looking at them, and that's it.
    Thanks. I think that as this drags on over the summer we will see more and more people in that town lose it and say bad things about Phoebe. Especially people connected with the bullies.

    Right now it (the trials) is far off. But as the weeks go by they will get closer and closer on the calendar and there will come a point at which it will sink in for them that this is for real. And they will panic, the relatives and close friends. The bullies themselves as well, though it will be through their friends. Though who knows, Austin apparently feels free enough to go get toasted and drive around, maybe the rest will be as foolish. It would be the height of hilarity to me if one or more of them says something really stupid in public and dooms them all.

    I think late this summer we will start to see a real rise in very specific accusations about Phoebe. Some will be lawyer stuff like we've discussed, but all these kids that support the bullies will be the ones that release most of it. Mostly likely in the form of poorly spelled grammar disasters like we've seen with Grace S. and her mother recently.

    What I am most interested to see as we get closer to the court dates is if one of more of them turn on each other. With six and six sets of parents and six lawyers... odds are good and I bet the DA is going to push them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurence View Post
    Agreed.



    Thanks. I think that as this drags on over the summer we will see more and more people in that town lose it and say bad things about Phoebe. Especially people connected with the bullies.

    Right now it (the trials) is far off. But as the weeks go by they will get closer and closer on the calendar and there will come a point at which it will sink in for them that this is for real. And they will panic, the relatives and close friends. The bullies themselves as well, though it will be through their friends. Though who knows, Austin apparently feels free enough to go get toasted and drive around, maybe the rest will be as foolish. It would be the height of hilarity to me if one or more of them says something really stupid in public and dooms them all.

    I think late this summer we will start to see a real rise in very specific accusations about Phoebe. Some will be lawyer stuff like we've discussed, but all these kids that support the bullies will be the ones that release most of it. Mostly likely in the form of poorly spelled grammar disasters like we've seen with Grace S. and her mother recently.

    What I am most interested to see as we get closer to the court dates is if one of more of them turn on each other. With six and six sets of parents and six lawyers... odds are good and I bet the DA is going to push them.
    One thing I would be very concerned about before trial is protecting the witnesses from intimidation from the friends/allies of the accused. As everyone has pointed out, it's a small town. Once the identities of the witnesses are disclosed in discovery, if they're not known already, who knows what pressure can be brought to bear. Don't at least few of the accused have friends in high places locally? Those witnesses are going to need a lot of support to continue to do the right thing. It was courageous of them to cooperate with the investigation. It will require courage up to and during trial.

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