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    VIDEO: Prince case discussed on the View
    http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...rn__159020.asp


    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    Sorry in advance if this story has already been posted (written by Laurie Loisel, the Daily Hampshire Gazette's cities editor):

    http://www.gazettenet.com/print/265987

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    Quote Originally Posted by irie View Post
    Sorry in advance if this story has already been posted (written by Laurie Loisel, the Daily Hampshire Gazette's cities editor):

    http://www.gazettenet.com/print/265987
    I hadn't seen that, irie! Thanks...

    Great write up. I'm going to email her, as well, and ask where the dox are for the other 3, she has links for the first 3's dox in this piece... lloisel@gazettenet.com
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    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

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    E.J. has an interesting comment on Sauerkraut's blog here
    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...ence/#comments

    towards the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebear14 View Post
    E.J. has an interesting comment on Sauerkraut's blog here
    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/2...ence/#comments

    towards the end.
    Thanks! Good one. Someone also posted some text from P. L.'s profile status...the comment thread where it's alleged Austin laughed. Someone questioned if it was real. I left a comment and confirmed I have seen, and have (through another person), the screenshot.
    Last edited by Paladine; 04-20-2010 at 11:52 PM.


    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

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    Reading SH area headlines at WWLP and came across this on their front page...
    Problem in Holyoke with homeless cats
    Holyoke City Leaders have postponed action on a ban on feeding feral and homeless cats.
    I tell you...that would be that day hell froze over, the day that I would turn away a hungry, homeless cat. BOY...glad I don't live there. I'd have no time for this forum. I'd be camped out with meow mix at city hall.

    http://www.wwlp.com/subindex/news
    Last edited by Paladine; 04-21-2010 at 01:37 AM.


    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    If anyone catches the Today Show...please post details. Details of Phoebe's last thoughts are promised. I can't, I'm not a morning person.
    Exclusive new details in the Phoebe Prince bullying case tmrw @todayshow. What she was thinking just before her suicide...in her own words.
    about 6 hours ago via UberTwitter
    http://twitter.com/jeffrossen
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    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

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    http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s..._in_pho_1.html

    At about 4:15 on the video the lawyer when asked if it's been tough on Renaud says "being indicted or charged with crimes is about the worst experience you can probably have".

    I could think of a couple of things around this case that seemed worse.

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    This is sort of on topic but today on Wednesday it's To Write Love on Her Arms Day!

    Here's more about the event:

    That’s right, another TWLOHA day!! To Write Love on Her Arms is a “non-profit movement dedicated to presenting hope and finding help for people struggling with depression, addiction, self-injury and suicide.” The idea of a TWLOHA day is quite simple: write the word “love” on your arm on April 21st. The goal is to raise awareness of those who are hurting as well as promote TWLOHA’s work to provide hope, help, and support.

    Please join us as we come together to support the love movement and invite your friends.



    Excerpt from TWLOHA’s vision statement:

    The vision is that community and hope and help would replace secrets and silence.

    The vision is people putting down guns and blades and bottles.

    The vision is that we can reduce the suicide rate in America and around the world.

    The vision is that we would learn what it means to love our friends, and that we would love ourselves enough to get the help we need.

    The vision is better endings. The vision is the restoration of broken families and broken relationships. The vision is people finding life, finding freedom, finding love. The vision is graduation, a Super Bowl, a wedding, a child, a sunrise. The vision is people becoming incredible parents, people breaking cycles, making change.

    The vision is the possibility that your best days are ahead.

    The vision is the possibility that we're more loved than we'll ever know.

    The vision is hope, and hope is real.

    You are not alone, and this is not the end of your story.



    To view TWLOHA’s full vision statement and learn more, visit http://www.twloha.com/vision/

    From http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=115978155083886

    And there should be an archived video for tomorrow so I wouldn't worry about waking up in the morning to view the Today Show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    If anyone catches the Today Show...please post details. Details of Phoebe's last thoughts are promised. I can't, I'm not a morning person.
    http://twitter.com/jeffrossen
    I just checked the today show website and I think this is what they were talking about:
    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...84580#36684580

    Basically it's talking about the essays she wrote, the cutting one, in particular . I'm not trying to say there's absolutely nothing to it, but as I said, I hate to focus in on it too much. It may be something she was interested in, it may be something her friends went through, it may be something she went through. It may be the first book that jumped out at her at the library. Who knows at this point, we have no evidence right now of anything of the sort.

    They also talked about how she encountered some bullying at Villiers so transferred to her mom's school in Ireland. Her parents were separating and she was dealing with moving away from Ireland, her parents being separated, and not being near her father, all things we knew.

    eta: they actually had a real screen shot of what one of the girls said after Phoebe died, that she brought it on herself or something along those lines, and also had a picture of Sean and KB smiling big! for the camera at cotillion, two short days after Phoebe died.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lou Cyper View Post
    http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s..._in_pho_1.html

    At about 4:15 on the video the lawyer when asked if it's been tough on Renaud says "being indicted or charged with crimes is about the worst experience you can probably have".

    I could think of a couple of things around this case that seemed worse.
    um yeah seriously! omg...and to think we likely haven't heard the worst of it.

    eta: I think being 12 years old and coming home to find your 15 year old sister hanging from a stairwell is probably the worst experience you can have. as well as everything Phoebe went through.
    Last edited by thebear14; 04-21-2010 at 10:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebear14 View Post
    I just checked the today show website and I think this is what they were talking about:
    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...84580#36684580

    Basically it's talking about the essays she wrote, the cutting one, in particular . I'm not trying to say there's absolutely nothing to it, but as I said, I hate to focus in on it too much. It may be something she was interested in, it may be something her friends went through, it may be something she went through. It may be the first book that jumped out at her at the library. Who knows at this point, we have no evidence right now of anything of the sort.

    They also talked about how she encountered some bullying at Villiers so transferred to her mom's school in Ireland. Her parents were separating and she was dealing with moving away from Ireland, her parents being separated, and not being near her father, all things we knew.

    eta: they actually had a real screen shot of what one of the girls said after Phoebe died, that she brought it on herself or something along those lines, and also had a picture of Sean and KB smiling big! for the camera at cotillion, two short days after Phoebe died.
    Thanks, bear! I don't put much thought into the cutting essay. But the bolded part of your post...well, that made me smile. I'll look for the online video for our media thread, later today...unless someone else posts it first...

    Litterbox also has a new posting about the Today Show...
    http://run4chocolate.wordpress.com/
    Last edited by Paladine; 04-21-2010 at 10:18 AM.


    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladine View Post
    Reading SH area headlines at WWLP and came across this on their front page...

    I tell you...that would be that day hell froze over, the day that I would turn away a hungry, homeless cat. BOY...glad I don't live there. I'd have no time for this forum. I'd be camped out with meow mix at city hall.

    http://www.wwlp.com/subindex/news
    ha! I'd be right there with you

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    Phoebe's story helps another girl...THIS is why it's important to spread awareness...

    "Mom: Bullying suicide case saved my daughter
    Woman saw signs, intervened after learning about Phoebe Prince"
    The words were hauntingly similar to what Phoebe Prince was reported to have said before the 15-year-old committed suicide.

    "My daughter said things like, 'I can't go on,' and 'Nobody will help me and nobody can help me,' " recalled Carla Carey of Foxboro, Mass.

    For months, Carey's daughter had reported harassment by a classmate to school officials, who said they looked into her complaints but could not corroborate the incidents. Then a recent spate of calls, which Carey overheard, left her daughter in tears — and sounding like Prince.
    Read more: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/366862...#ixzz0lkJPQcor


    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”

    Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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    [QUOTE=thebear14;5085428]I think you hit the nail on the head a little while back, Laurence, when you said Phoebe is just one huge inconvenience for the people in SH. I'm not gonna say all, and I'm not even gonna say the majority although it could be, but for far too many she was and is an inconvenience and that's all. Too many don't care that a 15 year old lost her life too early or that a family is in an enormous amount of pain. They just care that their lives are being disrupted and that the whole country is looking at them, and that's it.[/QUOTE]

    Underlining and bolding mine.

    I hope that I contribute to eventually clearing this up so that we can devote time to the realities of this case and also focus our energies upon what each one of us can do to get bullying addressed as the serious issue it is, get it classified as the Hate Crime that it is, the violation of Civil Rights that it is and most especially get it treated as the child abuse that it is and get it punishable (harshly) by law ZERO FREEKIN TOLERANCE so that some sense can be slapped into some willful little deranged BRATS and as few kids as possible have to suffer what Phoebe did and so that hopefully no more kids will kill themselves as result of this stupidity.

    And so that people who choose to create little replicas of themselves, to inflict upon the Earth and society tiny copies of their own ignorant selves will hopefully be encouraged to do some actual PARENTING or to surrender their kids to people capable of this via Legal adoption.

    Rather than investing time on stuff that is just totally inaccurate.

    Underlined parts above just...I don't even know where to begin really.

    If you genuinely believe those things to be true...within your heart, intuitively, rationally this is what you've concluded to be true.....wow.....theres prolly not alot anyone can say to convince you otherwise cuz those things are........they defy logic completely....I can't even think of how to try and refute that stuff cuz its just so ut there"...........just wow.


    Good news is Bolded part is accurate though!!

    It was hard as HELL because reporters have hounded people beyond what you can imagine then only reported stuff that made SH appear to be a den of wolves but I managed to make contact with some students, residents and even a couple family members of the accused bcuz I was totally baffled by the lack of sadness in SH being shown by media. I'd never seen a situation wherein a community could be expected to be grieving but apparently was not so I was forced to contemplate if SH was a town without a soul.

    Its really not. The media has chosen to focus upon things other than how South Hadley residents and damn near ALL of the kids at the school feel about and this and how it has effected them.

    SH is indeed feeling inconvenienced but NOT in the least by Phoebe Prince, not in any way this.....the overwhelming majority of residents...nowhere even close to what you describe. Most people there, students and non they can't even comprehend how any one with a brain could reach the conclusion that they feel anything but deeply saddened about what happened.

    A question kept coming up and its a good one, from people in SH:

    "How would YOU feel if the little town you lived in, at its only High School a girl from Ireland, the country our own ancestors came from and us Irish just like Phoebe and she was called "Irish Slut" by some kids you don't even KNOW and they torment her so bad she hangs herself??"

    They wanna know why you would think they feel any differently than how you or any non-crazy person would feel about this!!!???.

    They wanna know how you got the idea that they are....everyone in the town or just MOST OF THEM, like the kids who tormented Phoebe seem to them to be....just like seem to many of you, sociopaths....they wanna know how in God's name you reached the conclusion that they are for these kids they don't even know when these kids tormented a girl Irish like themselves and called her Irish Slut?.


    I kinda wanna know that too. Cuz its fairly "strange" how people have bought in so totally to this concept of "evil little town".

    Just, like I said, defies all logic....like episodes of twilight zone or outer limits it makes no sense or like any episode of LOST...totally nonsensical, insultingly implausible and completely and utterly ridiculous.

    People in SH felt inconvenienced by 4 things, pretty much in this order:

    1). an extremely aggressive media who from the start of this chose to air/report only that which would frame the school and, to a lesser degree, the town as having considered Phoebe an outsider and having chosen willfully to not protect her then when she died sought only to shelter "their own". These kids, in the opinion of most within the town and at this point pretty damn close to ALL except for the accused families and their friends consider these kids....well...that brings us to inconvenience #2:

    2). A group of poorly raised and/or spoiled brat kids who caused hell to reign down on the town. If you can honestly get yourself to believe that a town of 17,000 most of whom have no association whatsoever with these kids or their families are somehow involved in a sort of "cabal" or allegiance that has them, as if they are Stepford Wives, zombified walking to the beat of some mysterious drum thats causing them to be blind to the evil that took place and to be unable to reject this with every ounce of their being and feel the same about these kids as the most the rest of America and The world DOES then you have allowed yourself to become brainwashed by the media. They just want this over with, so would you. They want these kids punished, just as you do.

    A great deal of students at SHHS on a day soon after Phoebe's death wore stickers memorializing her and they refused to speak, total silence except for the sound of crying when kids broke down which even the "toughest" kids on campus did you can't imagine what it was like unless you have been through something like that. The media showed nothing of this. The only images you'll see of the area set up in the library that kids covered in candles and notes to Phoebe are those belonging to kids. The media was there. They showed nothing of this.

    People cried in the streets, broke down in public. People who didn't even KNOW Phoebe. Parents. People who didn't have kids. This went on for days and even got more intense as knowledge of what a few kids had put Phoebe through got around the town. The town, like the school was engulfed in an air of sadness, total "strangers" shed tears for a 15 year old girl they never knew, alot of people left candles, stuffed animals, cards, letters all kinds of stuff all over the front and side area of Phoebe's house. The media showed you a picture of 1/50th of that.....a gated area of the front fence.

    3). and this is at worst TIED for "inconvenience" with #2 above...The administration of South Hadley High School. At the most recent meeting of the school board, when those who attempted to speak against Sayer and Smith were tossed out of the meeting some who support Sayer/Smith were allowed to speak. Of these a late 30 year old- mid 40's I don;t know exactly what age but living with his mom, unemployed tools around SH on a BICYCLE has no kids guy....

    That outta tell you something. People in SH ain't clamoring to support these guys...just the opposite. Its a small town though and people have to deal with the realities of that.

    One of those realities is that there are people so ashamed and saddened by this situation that they want to move away from South Hadley but...and this is the FOURTH INCONVENIENCE prolly not FOURTH in order of inconveniences to MANY current residents of SH...

    4.) their property values, already low bcuz the housing crisis, foreclosures tight credit recession etc, have plummeted even FURTHER bcuz ain't no one with a KID coming anywhere NEAR South Hadley...people who have to pass through to get to Springfield you can hear their cardoor-locks plunk down as soon as they see the South Hadley sign.

    Most people in SH believe that they'll get past this, no time soon mind you but they strongly believe that Sayer is not gonna weather this storm, Smith prolly not either. Theres a good number of people in SH who don't have a clue why the hell Sayer was brought in from Amherst anyway....in the first place and they recognize him as the ratfink that he is. If you just substituted "Gus Sayer" for Phoebe in your rumination about what folks in SH feel "inconvenienced" by you'd have PART of the answer of whats bugging them.....Get real about the people of SH use some common sense, these are regular people just like you and your neighbors....they are not what the media has portrayed them to be, alot of them are even more devastated by this tragedy than any of us are or ever will be cuz Newton is a fairly major street (where Phoebe's house still sits) and they gotta drive by that house, see it on a regular basis.

    What do you think the FEEL when they see that house???

    If you answer "nothing" or anything other than deep grief you are so wrong there aren't even words within the English language to adequately describe the depth of your wrongness.


    The last thing these people consider Phoebe Prince to be is an "inconvenience". Most people in South Hadley, again, would not be capable of grasping how anyone could even manage to get to a place where they could even IMAGINE such a thing.......let alone believe it.
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