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  • JR did something and FW knows what

    138 81.18%
  • FW did something and JR suspects what

    6 3.53%
  • BOTH were involved somehow in what happened

    16 9.41%
  • Both are innocent and it was all just a misunderstanding/ego

    10 5.88%

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    The "war",what was it all about

    Okay,so everybody's avoiding the Fleet W/John R issue.....maybe a poll will help me out here
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    I don't know anything about it. Is it that JR and FW were friends before but not now?

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    Well my problem here is...FW moved the suitcase up under the window...He thought JonBenet was hiding with a RN stating different...But the poll,I don't know how to honestly answer that cause I really don't know..But FW actions are strange...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    I don't know anything about it. Is it that JR and FW were friends before but not now?
    Very convenient,what's the big deal,some friends breaking up.Only it wasn't like this.It started with a murder.
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    Q. Has Fleet White ever made any
    23 statement to you about his opinion on who
    24 killed JonBenet Ramsey?
    25 A.(Steve Thomas) Mr. White has always been very

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    1 careful with his language around me, as is
    2 his wife and I don't know that I could sit
    3 here and say today that he has come out and
    4 made a declaration as to who he believes
    5 killed JonBenet Ramsey. But the tone and
    6 inferences of some of these conversations made
    7 it fairly clear to me. 8 Q. You think you understood from the
    9 tone and inferences what he was trying to say
    10 but not saying directly; is that your
    11 testimony?
    12 A. I think I believe that I know who
    13 Fleet has in mind as the offender in this
    14 case.

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    Q. (By Mr. Levin) Hang on. I

    21 suppose what I'm -- I don't mean to cut you

    22 off, Mr. Ramsey, obviously. But what I am

    23 interested in, I mean, we had a list of

    24 names that you provided early on
    , and I was

    25 interested if there are recent people. I

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    1 mean, obviously we've looked at Chris Wolf

    2 and we looked at Fleet and we've looked at

    3 Priscilla


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    Q And generally speaking, what were you doing in Georgia?
    20 A We went to Georgia to basically just do background
    21 investigations. We got some information that there had been
    22 a major fight in the house between Mr. Ramsey and one of the
    23 other people that were there. I don’t remember --
    24 Q Does “Mr. White” ring a bell?
    25 A “White,” that’s who it was, Mr. White, and we had heard

    LARRY MASON - DIRECT (JONES)

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    1 that there was problems there in the house, and we wanted to
    2 find out what was going on.


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    Why did FW tease the cops,maybe I could tell you that the R's own high tech boots?It's in PMPT or ST's book somewhere,I quoted it not long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    I don't know anything about it. Is it that JR and FW were friends before but not now?
    You just nailed it, HOTYH. Before the killing happened, they were very close. After JB's death, their relationship not only dissolved but became very antagonistic.
    I'm as mad as HELL and I'm NOT gonna take it anymore!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperDave View Post
    You just nailed it, HOTYH. Before the killing happened, they were very close. After JB's death, their relationship not only dissolved but became very antagonistic.
    It seems like FW may have wanted to just come out and SAY that he thought the Rs were involved in the death of their daughter, but my impression is that he knew that if he did, the Rs would be much more vocal in pointing a finger at HIM for the murder. The Rs were already making noise about things that "looking back on" they told LE were suspicious about the White's behavior Christmas Day. Of course, the "suspicious" things were nonsense- it was JR who ASKED that a plate of cracked crab be held out for JB. Yet he tells LE how odd he thought it was. No one in LE ever confronted JR about this either. And I'd bet NO one at the house in Atlanta was ever asked specifically about EXACTLY what words were exchanged between JR and FW.
    FW was in the Boulder house the morning of the 26th, his prints were all over. He admitted moving the suitcase. He TOUCHED things related to the crime, including admitting that he picked up the tape that was on JB's mouth.
    While those things may not have been enough to convict him, or even indict him, he doesn't match the touch DNA either, so it may not have gone very far.

    BUT enough to destroy his life, a fact I am sure strongly pointed out to him by the R defense lawyers.

    I think FW felt he really couldn't say what he felt happened. He hoped the investigation would sort it out. Boy, was he wrong...
    BTW, I'd have LOVED to see LE call JR out about exactly WHO was included in his statement that "a lot of people were here at 3 in the morning." Because according to the Rs, only 4 people were in the house at 3 in the morning.. a sleeping JR, Patsy, BR and a (by then, dead) JB.
    Last edited by DeeDee249; 04-21-2010 at 05:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine View Post
    Okay,so everybody's avoiding the Fleet W/John R issue.....maybe a poll will help me out here
    In my 'half-baked' theory, there is an as yet unidentified female person who had a grudge against JR and thought he 'owed' her and wanted to punish and scare him. JR knew as soon as he saw the RN who had written it and why. There were 'in jokes' in the RN and it was obviously 'her work'. He did not believe for one minute that it was a genuine kidnapping by a foreign group, nor did he really think that 'she' would harm JBR. Still, he was spooked and wanted JBR back ASAP as he now knew 'she' was mentally unstable and had gone too far by taking JBR. The Whites were the first people there and I believe FW was told who and why (although I sort of think he may have known the story anyway). PR did not know about 'her' or what had happened to cause this and JR did not want her to know either. FW thought JBR might still be in the house initially and this is why he searched, despite the RN, though he didn't look hard enough. When JR found her, FW immediately ran to the phone. Who was he going to call??

    So, to the fight. FW thought JR should tell the cops who had done it. JR said it was too late for that now, it would serve no purpose. 'She' was no danger to anyone else and it was the lawyer's opinion that 'she' would not be convicted of murder as 'she' was not mentally fit to stand trial and hadn't intended to kill JBR. JR didn't want the whole sorry tale to come out, as it would reflect very badly on him, this is why the separate lawyers. What was done could not be undone. FW thought he should make a clean breast of it and cop the flak - afterall, it was PR who was under the 'umbrella of suspicion', and she didn't deserve to suffer first the killing of her child then to have to defend herself.

    When the cops asked who might be involved, JR named FW amongst others! This was the final straw - first not telling, then trying to divert attention to others. Still despite this FW has stayed quiet all this time and 'towed the line'. He must be busting to tell!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurriFlower View Post
    In my 'half-baked' theory, there is an as yet unidentified female person who had a grudge against JR and thought he 'owed' her and wanted to punish and scare him. JR knew as soon as he saw the RN who had written it and why. There were 'in jokes' in the RN and it was obviously 'her work'. He did not believe for one minute that it was a genuine kidnapping by a foreign group, nor did he really think that 'she' would harm JBR. Still, he was spooked and wanted JBR back ASAP as he now knew 'she' was mentally unstable and had gone too far by taking JBR. The Whites were the first people there and I believe FW was told who and why (although I sort of think he may have known the story anyway). PR did not know about 'her' or what had happened to cause this and JR did not want her to know either. FW thought JBR might still be in the house initially and this is why he searched, despite the RN, though he didn't look hard enough. When JR found her, FW immediately ran to the phone. Who was he going to call??

    So, to the fight. FW thought JR should tell the cops who had done it. JR said it was too late for that now, it would serve no purpose. 'She' was no danger to anyone else and it was the lawyer's opinion that 'she' would not be convicted of murder as 'she' was not mentally fit to stand trial and hadn't intended to kill JBR. JR didn't want the whole sorry tale to come out, as it would reflect very badly on him, this is why the separate lawyers. What was done could not be undone. FW thought he should make a clean breast of it and cop the flak - afterall, it was PR who was under the 'umbrella of suspicion', and she didn't deserve to suffer first the killing of her child then to have to defend herself.

    When the cops asked who might be involved, JR named FW amongst others! This was the final straw - first not telling, then trying to divert attention to others. Still despite this FW has stayed quiet all this time and 'towed the line'. He must be busting to tell!!

    This sounds good, but of course, to me- the "she" is Patsy.
    I agree that FW wanted JR to tell police the truth about what happened that night instead of devising this elaborate scheme about a kidnapping/murder. When JR refused, it must have seemed outrageous to FW, and he realized just how quickly his friend became an enemy. Once the Rs began to point a finger in the White's direction, there was no way FW was going to come out and say what he thought (or knew) about who was responsible for JB's death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    Once the Rs began to point a finger in the White's direction, there was no way FW was going to come out and say what he thought (or knew) about who was responsible for JB's death.
    Yes, regardless of which theory you favour, it seems FW knew what happened at the very least. I don't feel he was involved in the killing at all, but it is likely he knew the 'secret' JR didn't want disclosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MurriFlower View Post
    Yes, regardless of which theory you favour, it seems FW knew what happened at the very least. I don't feel he was involved in the killing at all, but it is likely he knew the 'secret' JR didn't want disclosed.
    Or, it seems FW knew nothing about any relevant secrets as there were none?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat View Post
    Or, it seems FW knew nothing about any relevant secrets as there were none?
    Then why did he imply to ST that he knows who the killer is?And it's obvious who he had in mind,I don't think he would have become ST's buddy if he thought an intruder killed JB.

    I find it hard to believe that this fight was all about ego,would mean that neither of them cared about this child.

    And what about FW's actions,he arrives at 6.03 and at 6.06 he checks the basement.Is it another coincidence,straight to the crime scene.And JR's trips to the basement.One opens the door and sees nothing (claiming that he didn't know where the switch was,but others confirm he was there shortly before the murder) and the other opens the same door and instantly sees the blanket.

    Don't you think that one of them is lying?I am still not sure which one,that's what I am trying to find out. (mission impossible,I know)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee249 View Post
    This sounds good, but of course, to me- the "she" is Patsy.
    I agree that FW wanted JR to tell police the truth about what happened that night instead of devising this elaborate scheme about a kidnapping/murder. When JR refused, it must have seemed outrageous to FW, and he realized just how quickly his friend became an enemy. Once the Rs began to point a finger in the White's direction, there was no way FW was going to come out and say what he thought (or knew) about who was responsible for JB's death.
    @bold
    That would make him a coward in my eyes.FW was a tough cookie,he had connections.It doesn't seem to me that he would have been afraid of JR.He should have said something,he pretends to want justice for JB.IMO there's something else going on.Speak up or shut up IMO.
    The R's pointed fingers at him AFTER he acted weird.Why was it his business that they gave the CNN interview or that they lawyered up.I would lawyer up as well if I knew the cops are thinking like this :

    ST,page 40

    "Police were struck by the oddity of diapers being used in a household with kids aged nine and six,particularly when viewed in light of the bed-fouling report about Jonbenet.We had to determine if that was somehow related to her death."

    Bed-fouling report coming from the housekeeper who was their first suspect back then.You gotta be kidding me.
    They wanted to connect this alledged bed-wetting problem with the murder when the search of the house wasn't even over,so much for LE being unbiased.
    Last edited by madeleine; 04-22-2010 at 03:16 AM.
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    I have to agree with HOTYH on this one.Doesn't matter how silly the RN sounded or how fake it seemed,they didn't even bother to check things out ,they should have!Ron Walker told them day one that they should look at the parents cause the RN is bogus and that's what they did.
    Ramsey case: "Instead of being the DNA of one person, they have instead created a composite of someone who does not exist. "

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