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    How Did Gardner Abduct Amber?

    [snipped from Feb 13, 2010 article]

    "Based on the amount of traffic and the amount of people (in the area), her being kidnapped off the street is not likely," Benton said. "If there was a commotion, it would have been seen by somebody."

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    I disagree with this being put out there based on other cases where people have been abducted in broad daylight with other people around. These are some questions in my mind.


    • I wonder how Gardner got Amber into his vehicle? Did he pull over, ask her for directions, then threaten her with a knife or gun?
    • Was the young male seen walking with/near Amber not related to her abduction or was it Gardner?
    • I wonder if any of Amber’s things found with/near her? IPod, cell phone, shoulder bag, valentine’s gifts, check for lamb, etc.?
    • Was it Gardner that turned her cell phone on briefly the next day or someone else who found it?

    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/es...ada991f56.html


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    Thank you, cloudajo..........

    This very question had been nagging me for weeks, now.

    I also want to know.
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    How is a good question

    I remember watching her father saying he didn't need any more details. The how he got her is the only detail I'd like to know...the rest would be too hard to hear/read.


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    The gag order was lifted today:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...ays-place-now/

    Yet details of how Gardner was tied to the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea and how he abducted another murder victim — 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido — may remain unanswered until after Gardner’s June 1 sentencing, if not longer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy2441 View Post
    The gag order was lifted today:

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...ays-place-now/

    Yet details of how Gardner was tied to the murder of 17-year-old Chelsea and how he abducted another murder victim — 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido — may remain unanswered until after Gardner’s June 1 sentencing, if not longer.
    Per Maurice Dubois' comments after the hearing yesterday, LE does not know how JAG abducted Amber. www.signonsandiego.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSleuth View Post
    Per Maurice Dubois' comments after the hearing yesterday, LE does not know how JAG abducted Amber. www.signonsandiego.com
    Thanks. I found the article.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...nt-on-details/

    The lengthy investigation in Amber’s case resulted in a massive amount of documentation. The gag order also prevented Dubois from seeing the reports, but he said Thursday he has been told they include almost no information related to Gardner.

    Details that some might hope to find, such as how Amber was abducted while walking to school, are not in the voluminous reports, Dubois said.

    “Details of how Amber was abducted were never given,” he said. “Investigators don’t know.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharyne View Post
    I remember watching her father saying he didn't need any more details. The how he got her is the only detail I'd like to know...the rest would be too hard to hear/read.
    ITA. I would like to know how he was able to abduct Amber. Mainly so young kids and women will know in the future how to protect themselves against these evil monsters. Beyond that, for the families sake, I don't think we have a right to know anything.


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    I agree with you. My guess is the same way he tried to get that girl in Lake Elsinore--he pointed a gun at her.


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    Will he have to confess all of this at his sentencing?
    R.I.P Jenni-Lyn Watson


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    I Just Want To Know, Says Amber's Mom

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loca...-92097009.html

    Amber Dubois' mother has some heartfelt questions for the man who admitted killing her daughter, according to a published report.

    McGonigle laid out several questions for her daughter's murderer. Among others: Why did he choose Amber? Did he have previous contact with her? How did he get Amber into his vehicle?

    Source: 'I Just Want to Know' | NBC San Diego
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    Slain girl's mom asks: Why Amber?
    Carrie McGonigle has questions for her daughter's admitted killer

    Why Amber?

    Her mother wants to know.

    If Carrie McGonigle could talk to the man who admitted he abducted, raped and killed her daughter on Feb. 13, 2009, that would be her first question.

    Why, John Albert Gardner III, did you choose Amber Dubois?

    More questions would follow.

    Were you watching my 14-year-old daughter? For how long? Just that drizzly Friday morning? Or had you spotted her, fixated on her, before the day you took her?

    Did you make contact with Amber in the days or weeks before you did what you did to her? Talk to her or nod hello as she made her way down the street as she usually did at 7 a.m., as she walked to Escondido High School?

    What did you say to my daughter, John Gardner?

    And how did you get her into your vehicle? Trick her? Threaten her? Grab her and throw her in?

    What did you do with her backpack, her cell phone? Was that you who called it long enough to check voicemail the day after you killed her?

    Why, as you stood handcuffed and shackled in front of a judge to plead guilty, why did you look right at me for a few long seconds? How did you know who I was?

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    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...tml?mode=story


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    Warrants show Gardner followed 11 year old girl

    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...1928f9a6f.html

    An 11-year-old Rancho Bernardo girl said she saw sex offender John Albert Gardner III driving alongside her as she walked home two days before 17-year-old Chelsea King was reported missing, according to one of 10 search warrants unsealed Monday morning by an El Cajon judge.

    In another search warrant, police said two San Diego Gas and Electric workers reported seeing a male and a female in the Pala area who resembled the description of Gardner and Amber Dubois, an Escondido teen that he admitted killing on Feb. 13, 2009.
    The two workers made their report after police announced they had found 14-year-old Amber's remains in a remote area about 3 miles north of the Pala Indian Reservation on March 6, according to the documents. The workers said they spotted the pair in a silver Ford Focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy2441 View Post
    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...1928f9a6f.html

    An 11-year-old Rancho Bernardo girl said she saw sex offender John Albert Gardner III driving alongside her as she walked home two days before 17-year-old Chelsea King was reported missing, according to one of 10 search warrants unsealed Monday morning by an El Cajon judge.

    In another search warrant, police said two San Diego Gas and Electric workers reported seeing a male and a female in the Pala area who resembled the description of Gardner and Amber Dubois, an Escondido teen that he admitted killing on Feb. 13, 2009.
    The two workers made their report after police announced they had found 14-year-old Amber's remains in a remote area about 3 miles north of the Pala Indian Reservation on March 6, according to the documents. The workers said they spotted the pair in a silver Ford Focus.

    Another version of the story...just slightly less information, but more when the two are together...

    The records also show that two San Diego Gas & Electric Co. workers saw people they identified as Gardner and his other known murder victim, 14-year-old Amber Dubois of Escondido, about 50 minutes after she was kidnapped in February 2009.
    The two workers told Escondido police that they saw the pair outside a Silver Ford Focus that Gardner was driving at the time.
    Gardner has admitted he raped and killed Amber within 90 minutes of abducting her.
    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...1928f9a6f.html
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    Here's the actual search warrant:

    http://media.signonsandiego.com/news...04/26/sdge.pdf

    Bottom of Page 10 to page 11 is the statements from the SDG&E workers.
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    Gardner says attack was crime of opportunity, not planned

    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...ccd736496.html

    "I think he is trying to get sympathy, playing the victim," McGonigle said. "But he's not a victim."

    McGonigle said Gardner refused to give details of the crimes during the interview; he said he would only share those details with the family.
    But, she said, Gardner did tell the station that the attack on her daughter had been a crime of opportunity, not one that had been planned.
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