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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudajo View Post
    [snipped from Feb 13, 2010 article]


    • I wonder how Gardner got Amber into his vehicle? Did he pull over, ask her for directions, then threaten her with a knife or gun?
    • Was the young male seen walking with/near Amber not related to her abduction or was it Gardner?
    • I wonder if any of Amber’s things found with/near her? IPod, cell phone, shoulder bag, valentine’s gifts, check for lamb, etc.?
    • Was it Gardner that turned her cell phone on briefly the next day or someone else who found it?

    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/es...ada991f56.html
    Other then the fact that Gardner knew where Amber's body was, there is not alot of info coming out about his connection.

    -Is it possible that he is taking the fall or covering up for someone else? Especially since Escondido was unable to independently verifiy his guilt? After all since he is already going to prison for one murder why not admit to the second and take the heat off a buddy?

    -Is EPD is willing to let it happen since it allows them to close out an open case? After all if a guy is willing to admit to the murder should EPD stand in his way?

    -Even if Carrie mets with Gardner there is no guarantee that he will be forthcoming with details OR may know of some details if he heard about it from the actual murderer.

    -Does any one know if Gardner has made a full and complete written confession in Amber's murder? Full and complete means that he has revealed all facts of the incident.

    -Could he have been an accomplice in Amber's death which is why he knew where her body was located?

    I'm just wondering if there another gunman out there on that grassy knoll????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancy2441 View Post
    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sd...1928f9a6f.html

    In another search warrant, police said two San Diego Gas and Electric workers reported seeing a male and a female in the Pala area who resembled the description of Gardner and Amber Dubois, an Escondido teen that he admitted killing on Feb. 13, 2009.
    The two workers made their report after police announced they had found 14-year-old Amber's remains in a remote area about 3 miles north of the Pala Indian Reservation on March 6, according to the documents. The workers said they spotted the pair in a silver Ford Focus.
    Why in the world did SDGE workers not come forward and reveal this info sooner of a possible sighting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9Snoop View Post
    Other then the fact that Gardner knew where Amber's body was, there is not alot of info coming out about his connection.

    -Is it possible that he is taking the fall or covering up for someone else? Especially since Escondido was unable to independently verifiy his guilt? After all since he is already going to prison for one murder why not admit to the second and take the heat off a buddy?

    -Is EPD is willing to let it happen since it allows them to close out an open case? After all if a guy is willing to admit to the murder should EPD stand in his way?

    -Even if Carrie mets with Gardner there is no guarantee that he will be forthcoming with details OR may know of some details if he heard about it from the actual murderer.

    -Does any one know if Gardner has made a full and complete written confession in Amber's murder? Full and complete means that he has revealed all facts of the incident.

    -Could he have been an accomplice in Amber's death which is why he knew where her body was located?

    I'm just wondering if there another gunman out there on that grassy knoll????
    I had been considering an accomplice, but when I read about the two employees describing just one male and female matching the descriptions of Gardner and Amber, I changed my mind. That, plus Gardner seemed to be a loner in his stalking (reference new incident revealed).

    Also, the employees came forward after seeing the new coverage of where sheriff's dept was searching for Amber's remains. They probably saw a pic of both Gardner and Amber on the news and made the connection. The warrant doesn't give specifics about what the employees saw, other than being in the same area near a silver Ford Focus at about 8AM. They probably didn't realize at the time what they were witness to.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...lice-revealed/

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudajo View Post
    I had been considering an accomplice, but when I read about the two employees describing just one male and female matching the descriptions of Gardner and Amber, I changed my mind. That, plus Gardner seemed to be a loner in his stalking (reference new incident revealed).

    Also, the employees came forward after seeing the new coverage of where sheriff's dept was searching for Amber's remains. They probably saw a pic of both Gardner and Amber on the news and made the connection. The warrant doesn't give specifics about what the employees saw, other than being in the same area near a silver Ford Focus at about 8AM. They probably didn't realize at the time what they were witness to.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...lice-revealed/
    Its possible because alot of people do come forward after the guy is caught doing something heinous and saying "I always knew there was something weird about that guy..."

    But all the reports have a "witness saw her walking toward Escondido High with a tall, slender, dark-complexioned young male" who has never been located or identified. Which is sure a long way from the Gardner description of a "white male in his late 30’s to early 40’s 5’11” tall with a stocky build with a large belly dark brown hair that was clean cut with medium spikes on top". So what happened between skinny dark young male and stocky white middle-aged man?

    It just seems strange to me and makes me think that he had help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9Snoop View Post
    Its possible because alot of people do come forward after the guy is caught doing something heinous and saying "I always knew there was something weird about that guy..."

    But all the reports have a "witness saw her walking toward Escondido High with a tall, slender, dark-complexioned young male" who has never been located or identified. Which is sure a long way from the Gardner description of a "white male in his late 30’s to early 40’s 5’11” tall with a stocky build with a large belly dark brown hair that was clean cut with medium spikes on top". So what happened between skinny dark young male and stocky white middle-aged man?

    It just seems strange to me and makes me think that he had help.
    I know what you mean and it's good to consider the possibility. But the early report described him as tall and slender, and then the later report described him as sort of doughy. It was drizzling, the witness was driving southbound, so coming up behind them - she probably only saw him for a second. I was thinking maybe it was Gardner or maybe some unrelated guy who didn't come forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K9Snoop View Post
    Its possible because alot of people do come forward after the guy is caught doing something heinous and saying "I always knew there was something weird about that guy..."

    But all the reports have a "witness saw her walking toward Escondido High with a tall, slender, dark-complexioned young male" who has never been located or identified. Which is sure a long way from the Gardner description of a "white male in his late 30’s to early 40’s 5’11” tall with a stocky build with a large belly dark brown hair that was clean cut with medium spikes on top". So what happened between skinny dark young male and stocky white middle-aged man?

    It just seems strange to me and makes me think that he had help.
    A lot of times eye-witness accounts aren't reliable.
    For all I know the witness who thought she saw Amber with some boy was mistaken, and whoever this witness saw wasn't even Amber.
    It's not Gardner's MO to have help so I very much doubt he had any help in Amber's case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjenny View Post
    A lot of times eye-witness accounts aren't reliable.
    For all I know the witness who thought she saw Amber with some boy was mistaken, and whoever this witness saw wasn't even Amber.
    It's not Gardner's MO to have help so I very much doubt he had any help in Amber's case.


    Yeah I agree. When I first heard about Gardner, especially that he was known to have teenagers at his house, I thought he could possibly have had someone helping him, another male high school student. But let's face it he's a huge guy, he doesn't need anyone to help him, especially if he threatened Amber with a weapon. I also read in one of the search warrants that they found duct tape or electric tape in one of his vehicles. I think the officer referred to it as a "rape kit".

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    Amber was stuck with no place to go

    According to Amber's mom on Good Morning America:

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loca...-93931874.html

    Amber took a different route that day to school. Carrie doesn't know why. Gardner cornered her on a fenced street. He told her he had a gun and a knife. He told her if she didn't get in the car it would be a lot worse for her.
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    I've always said that I didn't believe he took her on Broadway because it was way too busy a street not to be seen, and it would be hard for him to escape if he were seen abducting her. I never thought the alleged sightings of her by the parents were credible either--it was raining, the child's back was toward them, and they were driving on a busy street with construction going on which would have focused their attention more on their driving. I always wondered why the police found those two alleged sightings credible when, with all things considered, they shouldn't have been. Not that it would have made a difference in this case. I don't believe that JAG told Amber he had a knife and gun--I believe he showed them to her--just as he did with the girl in Lake Elsinore. Poor Amber, she must have been frightened to death. I hope this family can somehow find some peace in their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSleuth View Post
    I've always said that I didn't believe he took her on Broadway because it was way too busy a street not to be seen, and it would be hard for him to escape if he were seen abducting her. I never thought the alleged sightings of her by the parents were credible either--it was raining, the child's back was toward them, and they were driving on a busy street with construction going on which would have focused their. attention more on their driving. I always wondered why the police found those two alleged sightings credible when, with all things considered, they shouldn't have been. Not that it would have made a difference in this case. I don't believe that JAG told Amber he had a knife and gun--I believe he showed them to her--just as he did with the girl in Lake Elsinore. Poor Amber, she must have been frightened to death. I hope this family can somehow find some peace in their lives.
    I totally agree. I felt the same way. I never believed the sightings. I'm sure with the weather that day many students were wearing black hoodies (Just like Amber was wearing). Especially with the rain. I don't think I could identify somone I know in the rain.

    Poor Amber!!


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    A silver Ford Focus? Well, then, why aren't we looking for Zenaida?
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    just because you always think someone is hiding in the bushes, doesn't mean that they're not.

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    Just stop it, Casey.

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    Amber's mom visits abduction site:

    http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12504492

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    From the news conference at the above link, it appears Gardner answered some questions that made Amber's mom feel a little better. It appears, IMHO, that Amber may have put up a bit of a fight. Her mom said she was proud of her and 'she was "her" daughter.' I took that to mean Amber did something she would have done herself.

    One of the things that people can take away from this is for your children to NOT walk down streets where there isn't a safe-haven, ie a house or whatever to run to safety. The other thing is, IF someone threatens with a weapon, do NOT let them take you to a second location. I've always told my kids that.

    FWIW, there was an attempted abduction close to me in National City last week. It was after school and a 13 yo had a guy grab her from behind and he had his arms wrapped around her neck, with a knife. She grabbed his hands and managed to escape. She was slightly cut from the knife. The first report I saw her say she didn't even realize at the time he had a knife.

    Anyway, they caught him. He was a registered sex offender from a different area, he had his mom's car and had cut off his gps tracking device.

    I don't think he'll be attacking any young girls for awhile. Hopefully, FOREVER!

    JMHO
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