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    2010.04.23 Vacuum Cleaner Forensics

    Discuss the hairy (or hairless) details here.

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    Hello WS

    I have been doing a thread search. Tried: Pontiac, car, clean, vacuum, etc. Is there a specific thread regarding Cindy/George and the "cleaning" of the Pontiac after it was brought back from the tow yard? TIA.

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    Items submitted for analysis

    Q 67 - Shop Vac vacuum: hairs collected from inside and from filter; none on outside (pg. 39)

    Q 68 - Steam Cleaner (Bissell model 1970): hairs collected from brushes; none found in water collector (pg. 39)

    Q 69 - Steam Cleaner (Bissell Spot-Bot model 1200): no hairs found in hoses, water collector, or main brushes. 1 hair collected from 'white plastic area' (pg. 41)

    Q 70 - Vacuum Cleaner (Dirt Devil bagless model 08910HD): 1 pbx from bottom brush area; 4 pbxs from canister/filter (pg. 41)
    Last edited by beach; 04-23-2010 at 01:31 PM. Reason: add info

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    Quote Originally Posted by BondJamesBond View Post
    Discuss the hairy (or hairless) details here.
    BJB, you really want us to discuss bald vacuums? LOL! Hmmmm! Now what was that guy's name again?
    JMO

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    No hairs collected showed evidence of decomp. (pg. 42)


    Questions:

    1) Is 'pbx' forensic speak? I ask because the shop vac and steam cleaners specifically stated 'hairs'. The collections from the vacuum were referred to as pbxs.

    2) Someone please remind me when LE finally took possession of the Pontiac, please.
    Last edited by beach; 04-23-2010 at 01:41 PM. Reason: add reference pg.

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    Hello beach

    Here is a link to a thread that might tell you. I will read too.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...Pontiac&page=8

    ...js...
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    Looks like it was sealed on 7/16/08.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4535736&postcount=11"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4535736&postcount=11[/ame]


    That is per Bond's post. However, it was linked in an earlier post by BeanE to a pdf doc that won't open for me.


    And this one, including a thumbnail of Bloise's report, is courtesy of JWG's sleuthing.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4532032&postcount=791"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4532032&postcount=791[/ame]
    Last edited by beach; 04-23-2010 at 02:04 PM. Reason: add link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiquita71 View Post
    Hello beach

    Here is a link to a thread that might tell you. I will read too.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...Pontiac&page=8

    ...js...
    Heyyy Chiquita

    Thanks so much for putting me on the right path! I just kept reading and linking. lol Those were some loonnngggg threads.

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    Something tells me CA and GA wouldn't keep the vaccuums or whatever was used to clean up that car, those were probably long disposed of before FBI came about.

    But I'm just getting caught up. I was in the middle of like page 10 of the document dump when Century Link had an outage and I was out of internet for 4 hours. After waiting all week for this doc dump!! Oh, the irony is rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephaniestone218 View Post
    Something tells me CA and GA wouldn't keep the vaccuums or whatever was used to clean up that car, those were probably long disposed of before FBI came about.

    But I'm just getting caught up. I was in the middle of like page 10 of the document dump when Century Link had an outage and I was out of internet for 4 hours. After waiting all week for this doc dump!! Oh, the irony is rich.
    I agree with you stephanie...I believe they did get rid of their vacumns..I want to see the receipt for the ones they turned over to the FBI...
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    Very strange there was not one hair in those vacuums. No way! I have so much hair in my vac! Kitty hair and people hair. Sometimes I have turn my vac over on it's side and take the scissors and cut the hair out of the brushes (I have hair to about the middle of my back). You'd think there would be some hair in the A's many vacs! They have 2 dogs, a cat, and people in and out of that house constantly. Not to mention - KC is constantly playing with her hair! Some of that had to have come out while she had her fingers all through it. Me thinks Cindy cleaned out those vacs really good or she just went out and purchased new ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shotzie View Post
    I agree with you stephanie...I believe they did get rid of their vacumns..I want to see the receipt for the ones they turned over to the FBI...
    I too think they got rid of their vacuums, based on the fact that they bought a new washer and dryer as well.

    For a couple who can't pay their rather low monthly mortgage payment, how on earth do they have funds for a new washer and dryer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumbunny View Post
    I too think they got rid of their vacuums, based on the fact that they bought a new washer and dryer as well.

    For a couple who can't pay their rather low monthly mortgage payment, how on earth do they have funds for a new washer and dryer?
    Amazing isn't it? I didn't know they bought a new washer and dryer! WOW. Who has time or the thought process to do all this stuff when their grandaugher is missing?

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    Or like someone said in the other thread, the car could have been taken to a car wash/vacuum spot and cleaned there. We already know CA is not willing to hand over evidence, what with trying to give the wrong hairbrush, washing KC's pants and the knife, et cetera. They're stupid, heartless, and in my opinion - MEAN with regards to their granddaughter, but they aren't ignorant - after smelling that car and figuring out what happened (and for all we know KC could have SOMEWHAT confessed to them, or at least CA..you know, as much as a pathological liar can confess) I'm sure they realized that they needed to clean the car thoroughly..but not with any cleaning supplies or tools that could be traced back to their house. I'm surprised they didn't break into Zenaida Gonzalez's house and use one of her vacuums! I just dont think the lack of decomposing hairs in their household vacuums is enough to say KC didn't do this, and is just a tiny straw for the defense to grasp. MOO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy Road View Post
    Very strange there was not one hair in those vacuums. No way! I have so much hair in my vac! Kitty hair and people hair. Sometimes I have turn my vac over on it's side and take the scissors and cut the hair out of the brushes (I have hair to about the middle of my back). You'd think there would be some hair in the A's many vacs! They have 2 dogs, a cat, and people in and out of that house constantly. Not to mention - KC is constantly playing with her hair! Some of that had to have come out while she had her fingers all through it. Me thinks Cindy cleaned out those vacs really good or she just went out and purchased new ones.
    Same here, our vacuums get clogged with hair all the time. What with myself, my sister, my mother, and even my 3 year old princess all with tons and tons of hair..and we all love to primp..I always have to get scissors to cut the hair off the belt of the vacuum. Hairbrushes have to be constantly cleaned out too because of all the hair that comes out each time you brush! If I were an investigator, the lack of hair would certainly set off the hinky meter! MOO

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