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    FL - Family falsely suspected of child pornography

    Pawn in a porn scheme: Naples family falsely suspected of child pornography

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    Really scary story. This family was all but destroyed.
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    I'm soooo glad my husband secured our router!

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    I'm usually a huge supporter of LE and hail them for their difficult jobs, but...

    This is such a common scenario, LE should have never let it get that far, for that long. IMO Very badly done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muffet View Post
    I'm usually a huge supporter of LE and hail them for their difficult jobs, but...

    This is such a common scenario, LE should have never let it get that far, for that long. IMO Very badly done.

    It is such a shame that police investigators are allowed to lie to suspects in USA. Lies should have no part in our justice system.

    These poor people. All that time, all that anxiety and fear, and they don't even get an apology. The lies are blamed on a "misunderstanding" and although the investigators must have known from the beginning that the router was unsecured, they didn't mention that as a possibility for months. What jerks.

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    Great, I can see it now. Now all the sicko pervs who are involved in trafficking childporn will have to do is make sure their router is unsecured and whalla

    reasonable doubt.

    I am not saying this family wasn't falsely accused. Nor am I saying that they have done anything wrong, other than be accused of something. But I will be gobsmacked if this is the last time we here this unsecured router thing. And you can bet, when we here it from POIs in future, some of them WILL be child predators.
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    tlcox - That was an excellent post. I didn't even think of that, but you are absolutely right. Whether this family is 100% innocent or not, it has now opened the door for a new defense for real criminals. Scary, scary thought. Defense attornies will be all over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgeaux View Post
    It is such a shame that police investigators are allowed to lie to suspects in USA. Lies should have no part in our justice system.

    These poor people. All that time, all that anxiety and fear, and they don't even get an apology. The lies are blamed on a "misunderstanding" and although the investigators must have known from the beginning that the router was unsecured, they didn't mention that as a possibility for months. What jerks.
    The few detectives I know personally - not so tech savvy - and while it seems perfectly obvious to check for an unsecured router - they just received the report from someone else on what had been downloaded. It may not have entered their mind that the router was unsecured.

    I've never minded having an open connection, but because of crap like this and the downloading of songs...I've closed ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    Great, I can see it now. Now all the sicko pervs who are involved in trafficking childporn will have to do is make sure their router is unsecured and whalla

    reasonable doubt.

    I am not saying this family wasn't falsely accused. Nor am I saying that they have done anything wrong, other than be accused of something. But I will be gobsmacked if this is the last time we here this unsecured router thing. And you can bet, when we here it from POIs in future, some of them WILL be child predators.
    No, it will be on their hard drive - they can't say "someone else did it" when it can be found on their hard drive. And anyone who's examining computers can tell if it's a pop up ad, or an ad on the side of the page, vs. downloading child porn.

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    I hope you are right. Hope the distinction can be made. But apparently, this time it was not. I simply hope the reverse isn't the case one day KWIM?
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    Charlie09 - You seem a bit more router savvy than I. I don't understand how this happened if it was on their hard drive? Or it wasn't but had something to do with the router? How can this not be used as an "out" for other cases? I'm very confused.

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    I think Charlie is saying. Your router is your connection device that assists in connecting you to the info you want to download. Forensic techs can determine if there is any evidence that the downloaded info was purposely downloaded and saved by your PC or if it simply travelled through your router to another destination.

    Picture someone carrying you piggy back trhough a puddle of mud so that your shoes do not become soiled. You got where you needed to go, but not only didn't get dirty, you left no footprints of your own. The only footprints would be the person you piggybacked upon.

    But in this instance, it appears non tech savy LE didn't even bother to check on whether there was evidence on the families hard drive immeidately. They simply acted upon the evidence that the downloads had gone through the family's router.

    What concerns me is could not some not-tech savy LE in future make the similar error in reverse and fail to follow up on a report of child porn based on the perp showing/explaining to said no tech savvy LE officer that his router is nonsecured and that anyone could have downloaded that info by piggybacking?

    Lack of followthrough and seeking technical advice caused this family harm. I just hope similar circumstances do not assist some perv in harming children because similar lack of expertise in this new technology based reality we occupy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    I think Charlie is saying. Your router is your connection device that assists in connecting you to the info you want to download. Forensic techs can determine if there is any evidence that the downloaded info was purposely downloaded and saved by your PC or if it simply travelled through your router to another destination.

    Picture someone carrying you piggy back trhough a puddle of mud so that your shoes do not become soiled. You got where you needed to go, but not only didn't get dirty, you left no footprints of your own. The only footprints would be the person you piggybacked upon.

    But in this instance, it appears non tech savy LE didn't even bother to check on whether there was evidence on the families hard drive immeidately. They simply acted upon the evidence that the downloads had gone through the family's router.

    What concerns me is could not some not-tech savy LE in future make the similar error in reverse and fail to follow up on a report of child porn based on the perp showing/explaining to said no tech savvy LE officer that his router is nonsecured and that anyone could have downloaded that info by piggybacking?

    Lack of followthrough and seeking technical advice caused this family harm. I just hope similar circumstances do not assist some perv in harming children because similar lack of expertise in this new technology based reality we occupy.
    Great analogy -
    They were right to confiscate the computers - I think they should have reviewed those before going further. But I guess we need to think that if in fact they had downloaded the porn, and didn't interview and interrogate at the same time, the suspects could have disappeared.

    I don't think there's anyway to know if it's the shared connection or real downloading without really examining the computers. And if people are tech savvy and can hide things it could take a while to really get into the computer info.

    The police were in a catch 22.

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    Thanks so much for that great explanation. Now I get it! I was almost there but then got lost in the end. I know that technology is advancing much faster than LE can probably be trained, so this is something they are going to have to look at. Possibly tech teams to handle these types of cases? Clearly, it's important to get it right, yet not let perps off the hook due to a lack of knowledge on the part of LE. I now clearly see the difference between something being downloaded onto your hard drive and something just going through your router. You would think they would have checked the hard drives first and then realized what had happened. Possibly overzealousness? I'm not sure why this case got to where it did, if there was nothing on their hard drives.

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    TY Charlie09. You are right. For every non-tech savvy person there are those who are extremely knowledgeable. Some days I wish technology would just slow down a bit and let LE and the justice system catch up with its advancements.
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