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    Potential Pros Problems and an NG Verdict #2 **LIST ONLY NO DISCUSSION**

    I am playing devil's advocate here, as much as I beleive that Casey is guilty and as much evidence as the state has and as incompetent as JB may seem, Casey could be found not guilty. I was floored when OJ got off, I was sure that he would be found guilty but he wasn't.

    Sadly the states case is circumstantial and although many people have been found guilty with much less, people have been found not guilty with much more.

    I would like us to discuss holes in the states case, and evidence they do not have. PLEASE LETS KEEP THIS CIVIL, and if someone posts something and you believe is inaccurate please post a link to refute it, I don't want this thread closed, but we need to look at both sides.

    Problems I see at this time, are the lack of Casey's finger prints on anything from the crime scene. I also think it is a problem that CA and GA cleaned the car yet no decomp or hairs were found in the vaccum. I do understand that the state can argue that it was several moths after the car was cleaned that the vaccums were taken however that in its self could be a problem.
    JUSTICE IS COMING HALEIGH AND CAYLEE

    YOU GOT TO LOVE JUDGE STRICKLAND
    At it's core, the defense counsel's motion accuses the undersigned of being a "self aggrandizing media hound". Indeed. The irony is rich.

    Motion granted.

    Stan Strickland
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    Please list any problems you see in the SA's case against KC. No discussion, just list what you see as a potential problem.
    If you don't see any problems then you probably won't post in this thread.
    Don't call names and keep your opinions constructive. if you state a fact, link it up.
    If a fact is incorrect and not linked, please feel free to post the link with the correct information.

    If you want to discuss the various aspects of the case strengths, there are 3,966 threads in the Caylee forum and a good many of them deal with the evidence.
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    I believe this is what will be a problem for the Prosecution IMO this is Casey in a nutshell.
    If anything happened to Caylee under her watch this would explain all of her behavior after the fact. It would not be considered a mental health issue as far as standing trial but she clearly displays all of these characteristics and I believe they will be used in her defense. Even if it were an accident that she covered up these behaviors below may explain why she was able to do that. Along with the fact that I dont believe she ever, especially when it came to Caylee, wanted her mother to be right about her being an unfit mother. I started to bold some of the finer points and realized they all fit her. IMO

    I'm ducking now......

    [edit] Aggressive narcissism
    This is Factor 1 in the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, which includes the following traits:

    Glibness/superficial charm
    Grandiose sense of self-worth
    Pathological lying
    Cunning/manipulative
    Lack of remorse or guilt
    Shallow affect
    Callous/lack of empathy
    Failure to accept responsibility for own actions.

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    Jb says Kc has a compelling reason for her actions. If it is compelling, this might be a problem for the state. IMO

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    The overwhelming amount of harrasment at the Anthony home. I have never seen anything like this. Some jurors may feel sorry for GA and CA. I think this may have bearing on the penalty phase. Normally the victims family would be for the death penalty, but this case is different. To sentence Kc to death would punish the victims family. Could be a problem for the state. IMO

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    I think the prosecution will have a hard time finding a jury thats not tainted based on how this thread is going. IMO

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    I was going to post my thoughts on the Casey / Melich-Allen-Wells interviews in the Yuri Melich thread a few (several?) weeks ago, but that thread was pulled. And today, I was just about to post in the 'Potential...NG Verdict #1' thread when it was closed. Is the universe trying to tell me something?

    Anyway, here's attempt number 3:

    When reading the above referenced transcripts and listening to/watching the corresponding interviews, I was amazed at the near constant interruptions whenever Casey was speaking. It doesn't look, read or sound as though the investigators were giving Casey much of a chance to provide information or answer questions.

    Before you flame me, let me also say that I realize Casey talks in circles and lies with abandon. I realize that tensions were high, everyone was tired, and the investigators had already endured (prior to recorded interviews) enough Casey nonsense to choke Godzilla. Cecybeans had a great post about this in section #1 of this thread, which I was quoting when the thread got pulled. Thanks cecybeans!

    But - - I'm a firm believer in the idea that most people are uncomfortable with long stretches of silence when in close proximity to others. Particularly "Chatty Cathy" types like Casey who crave being the center of attention. In my opinion, the investigators should have given Casey more speaking time in the formal interviews. If they were silent, Casey would feel she had no choice but to talk, talk, talk. Maybe she would have spilled something of value, maybe not. Who can say?

    My point is that these recorded interviews could be used by the defense as an attempt to show a jury that Casey *tried* to tell the big, mean men everything she knew, but they wouldn't let her. And some people (potential jurors) might empathize with an 'authority figures gang up on the little guy' type scenario.

    Of course, the prosecution will rebut any such claims by detailing the useless back-and-forth the investigators experienced while trying to find a missing child (!), and explain that (again, stated better by cecybeans) by the time the recorded interviews took place, they had been around the world and back without a single souvenir for their trouble.

    So, for the reason stated herein, I think these interviews could be a problem for the prosecution.



    (Disclaimers: I don't believe for a second that Casey would have blurted the truth - no matter how much rope she was given, nor do I have a bone to pick with LE. And yes, I think Casey is guilty and I feel there is more than enough evidence to support a guilty verdict.)

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    I harbor no ill feelings towards Orlando LE. I am of the opinion however, that the following are some things that may be problems for the prosecution come trial time.

    The clicking sounds JB claims he heard while talking with KC at the jail.

    The overall performance of LE for the first 24 hours after the initial 911 call
    A. Allowing CA to take items from the bag of stuff LA brought back from the apartment KC had been staying at.
    B. YM taking 3 hours to arrive after he had been called.
    C. Not sealing off the Pontiac for many hours after arrival.
    D. Allowing KC and LA access to the car, unsupervised.
    So, overall in the first 24 hrs, I think that LE may have handled things a little differently, and by not doing so, this could be a problem for the prosecution.

    The discarding of bench notes (which is apparently proper protocol) by the officer handling the contents of the white trash bag.

    The failure of any mention of the white trash bag sitting in or near a dumpster for 30 hours to Dr. Vass. Dr. Vass was told the white trash bag had been handled using the proper protocols and chain of custody, which it was, AFTER it had sat in or near the dumpster for 30 hours. This knowledge may have changed the way Dr. Vass handled the examination of this evidence. It might not have as well, however, this may be a problem for the prosecution.

    There is no documentation that LE searched the woods on Suburban dr other than in response to RK’s calls. If they did search those woods at anytime prior to RK’s calls, they obviously were unsuccessful in their searches. If they did NOT search those woods prior to RK’s calls, why didn’t they? Either way, this could be problematic for the prosecution.

    Not checking the items contained in the white trash bag for prints until many, many, months later.

    The passing of notes from KC to whoever, if this is not allowed, did not a member of LE break the rules in order for this to happen?

    When processing the Pontiac, OCSO did not process the entire car.

    I think LE has tried to do the best job they could possibly do in this case. Still, I think the things I listed above may be a problem for the prosecution at trial. 13,000 pages of discovery, with that kind of a work load, some mistakes are bound to be made. I am not ripping LE here, I’m just saying that in my opinion, the above items may cause the prosecution some problems.
    The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.-- Gandhi


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    While I think LE did an excellent job in this case. I feel that the hair found that belong to the lab tech may lead the jury to think that evidence was mishandled.

    I think that the prosecution may have a problem explaining Casey's lack of emotion if she had just killed her daughter and was seen on tape with TL at the movie store totally calm, and if KC had not just killed Caylee then they will need to explain where they believe Caylee was June 16th, because if the defense is going to say KC had no reason to believe that Caylee was endangered or missing they will use the party photos and video from the movie store to prove that, and say see she was out having a good time not because she "killed" her daughter and was living the single life, but because she thought that her daughter was fine with the nanny, Now it will be the defense who has the problem proving there was a nanny.
    JUSTICE IS COMING HALEIGH AND CAYLEE

    YOU GOT TO LOVE JUDGE STRICKLAND
    At it's core, the defense counsel's motion accuses the undersigned of being a "self aggrandizing media hound". Indeed. The irony is rich.

    Motion granted.

    Stan Strickland
    Circuit Judge

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    4000 pages of Texas EquuSearch records might yield God-only-knows-what which Baez can use to "Kronk" a TES volunteer to provide "reasonable doubt".

    Roy Kronk's and his ex-wife's sexual, bondage proclivities involving duct tape might provide "reasonable doubt".
    (Avoid viewing/envisioning previous scenerio. "My eyes!!! They're burning!!!!")
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    The air sample taken from the trunk, is relatively new technology, and to my knowledge, air samples have yet to find a way into a courtroom as evidence. In this case, the prosecution will have to convince Judge P to allow this air sample to come into evidence, this could pose a problem for the prosecution.
    The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.-- Gandhi

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    Lack of previous violence and crime in KC's background.

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    I think if the prosecution goes with the idea of Casey wanting Caylee gone so she could go out and party and such could be a problem. There are plenty of pictures of Casey out and about before Caylee's death, Caylee was not in her way.

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