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    School Field Trip Causes Controversy

    An Ann Arbor school field trip has caused controversy. Apparently there is an educational peer group program that is comprised of all African-American students. They went on a field trip to see an African-American Rocket Scientist speak. Invitations were not extended to other students. People are saying this violates Proposal 2, which bans racial preference in public schools in Michigan.

    It's an interesting article and actually has some interesting comments (not all, but some).

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    I have a problem with this simply because if this was "all white" event there would a huge outcry......if we can't have it both ways it needs to be open to ALL,imo.
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    While I agree that exclusion - mo matter the race being excluded - is wrong, a part of me wonders whether this was wrong.

    This was not a school funded trip. This was a peer study group that meets during the noon hour to take advantage of special help, an opportunity to study, etc. This peer group is open to all students. I can only assume that the students who prefer not to spend their lunch hour studying or do not feel they need that extra help elected not to participate/join "the lunch bunch".

    As a result, those students were not included. Not because they are white, but because they have opted not to be a part of this group.

    As a caucasion who is not a fan of how affirmative action has, in a way, infantalized black america, but who truly believes that equality should be afforded to all - I do not see a problem with what was done with this field trip.

    Sorry but it reads to me like a bunch of students with sour grapes about not getting out of the school building for a few hours to go hear a guy speak they would have had zero interest in anyway. If these students wanteded to be included in the "fun" activities offered in this peer group, they should have joined the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    While I agree that exclusion - mo matter the race being excluded - is wrong, a part of me wonders whether this was wrong.

    This was not a school funded trip. This was a peer study group that meets during the noon hour to take advantage of special help, an opportunity to study, etc. This peer group is open to all students. I can only assume that the students who prefer not to spend their lunch hour studying or do not feel they need that extra help elected not to participate/join "the lunch bunch".

    As a result, those students were not included. Not because they are white, but because they have opted not to be a part of this group.

    As a caucasion who is not a fan of how affirmative action has, in a way, infantalized black america, but who truly believes that equality should be afforded to all - I do not see a problem with what was done with this field trip.

    Sorry but it reads to me like a bunch of students with sour grapes about not getting out of the school building for a few hours to go hear a guy speak they would have had zero interest in anyway. If these students wanteded to be included in the "fun" activities offered in this peer group, they should have joined the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    While I agree that exclusion - mo matter the race being excluded - is wrong, a part of me wonders whether this was wrong.

    This was not a school funded trip. This was a peer study group that meets during the noon hour to take advantage of special help, an opportunity to study, etc. This peer group is open to all students. I can only assume that the students who prefer not to spend their lunch hour studying or do not feel they need that extra help elected not to participate/join "the lunch bunch".

    As a result, those students were not included. Not because they are white, but because they have opted not to be a part of this group.

    As a caucasion who is not a fan of how affirmative action has, in a way, infantalized black america, but who truly believes that equality should be afforded to all - I do not see a problem with what was done with this field trip.

    Sorry but it reads to me like a bunch of students with sour grapes about not getting out of the school building for a few hours to go hear a guy speak they would have had zero interest in anyway. If these students wanteded to be included in the "fun" activities offered in this peer group, they should have joined the group.

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    To me, the difficulty that comes into play is even though it was not a school sponsored trip, it had to be school approved due to it being during school hours (I would guess).
    The way to remedy the situation, at least in my mind, would be to have it in policy that in regards to organized peer groups, field trips are only open to those who are involved in the group. The groups must be open to all students. Obviously it would need better wording! I think something along those lines would keep situations like this from becoming media fodder. However, I guess people will always find SOME reason to be upset about something.
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    I agree. The field trip happened during school hours. So, it was supported by the school in a way.

    If this were the other way around, there would be famous activists camped out on the school steps right about now calling for someone's head.

    I can't stand racism of any kind. And, IMO, there are several forms of racism that are considered OK in our culture.

    One example that drives me batty is BET. Can you imagine if there was a White Entertainment Television?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlcox View Post
    While I agree that exclusion - mo matter the race being excluded - is wrong, a part of me wonders whether this was wrong.

    This was not a school funded trip. This was a peer study group that meets during the noon hour to take advantage of special help, an opportunity to study, etc. This peer group is open to all students. I can only assume that the students who prefer not to spend their lunch hour studying or do not feel they need that extra help elected not to participate/join "the lunch bunch".

    As a result, those students were not included. Not because they are white, but because they have opted not to be a part of this group.

    As a caucasion who is not a fan of how affirmative action has, in a way, infantalized black america, but who truly believes that equality should be afforded to all - I do not see a problem with what was done with this field trip.

    Sorry but it reads to me like a bunch of students with sour grapes about not getting out of the school building for a few hours to go hear a guy speak they would have had zero interest in anyway. If these students wanteded to be included in the "fun" activities offered in this peer group, they should have joined the group.

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    Why would they have zero interest in it? Because the speaker was black?
    I don't get it.

    ETA: I know a lot of kids that would love to hear a rocket scientist speak, no matter his or her color.
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    Can't see a problem. A group of students who belong to a common interest group attended an educational event. The school should be rewarding them for both their academic efforts by being part of a lunchtime study group and their choice to attend a lecture (rather than play video games or go to a rock concert). If the student group was open to all student then the school has nothing to gripe about and needs to get is priorities straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    I agree. The field trip happened during school hours. So, it was supported by the school in a way.

    If this were the other way around, there would be famous activists camped out on the school steps right about now calling for someone's head.

    I can't stand racism of any kind. And, IMO, there are several forms of racism that are considered OK in our culture.

    One example that drives me batty is BET. Can you imagine if there was a White Entertainment Television?
    BBM - I have used that exact argument more than once so I can relate, I also am not a fan of racism on any level no matter the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    BBM

    Why would they have zero interest in it? Because the speaker was black?
    I don't get it.

    ETA: I know a lot of kids that would love to hear a rocket scientist speak, no matter his or her color.
    I guess I am making an assumption here, but I am assuming they would have zero interest in hearing him speak because they showed zero interest in the group or its stated mission. IMOO the only reason the field trip was interesting to them was because they were not on it.

    MOst teenagers, black OR white that I encounter, are not exactly interested in rocket science or a lecture thereon
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    This trip most definitely fit the technical description provided in the law as a school sponsored trip. There would be a large number of students interested in hearing the speaker who have interests in math or science. Just because someone did not belong to the group does not mean that they don't want to spend their lunch period studying. Perhaps they belong to other groups which meet at the same time which prevents them from belonging to more than one group. Regardless of such speculation, if ANY group went on ANY trip at ANY time sponsored by ANY private funds and it was exclusionary of black, or hispanic or Asian students then it would never have been allowed. If a hispanic group had attended a cinco de mayo celebration and made it clear that black students were not welcome....it would never have been allowed.

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    No-one was made to feel unwelcome, they were simply not invited to attend if they were not part of this particular study group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimberlyd125 View Post
    One example that drives me batty is BET. Can you imagine if there was a White Entertainment Television?.
    There IS a "White Entertainment Television" It has a few hundred channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypros View Post
    There IS a "White Entertainment Television" It has a few hundred channels.
    Whooo-this post made me laugh...
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    Any way, fwiw, I think this is a tempest in a teapot-this is like the theater kids being pissed off at not being invited to a golf tournament that the golf club was going to...jmo
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