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    Phone records

    sorry i'm new here and haven't been following the case for long so this may be a stupid question:

    did the ramsey's make any phone calls after they got back from the christmas party? did they have a cell phone? could they have left the house in the middle of the night without being seen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega
    sorry i'm new here and haven't been following the case for long so this may be a stupid question:

    did the ramsey's make any phone calls after they got back from the christmas party? did they have a cell phone? could they have left the house in the middle of the night without being seen?

    The answers to all three of your questions is YES. However, all of the phone records are not available to verify your first question.

    JMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCrab
    The answers to all three of your questions is YES. However, all of the phone records are not available to verify your first question.

    JMO

    Regarding the missing phone records, it's my belief that John Ramsey called personal friend and corporate attorney Mike Bynum very early on the morning of the murder -- probably somewhere between 2 A.M. and 4 A.M. Bynum's lawfirm is powerful and employs hundreds of lawyers. IMO Bynum set the Ramsey coverup into motion by calling Alex Hunter's office, the Boulder D.A. There's an indication that even the Governor Romer's office became involved (The Democrats had total control of Colorado at that time).

    The grand jury subpoenaed the phone records in 1998.

    After numerous delays and footdragging by the Boulder D.A.'s office, the cops finally got the Ramsey phone records, I think in 1998 or 1999. The records showed NO CELL PHONE CALLS WERE MADE BY THE RAMSEYS FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, 1996!

    It was an incredibly brazen coverup that goes unchallenged even today by Boulder authorities and speaks volumes about what likely happened.

    IMO the phone records for December, if not tampered with, would have solved the case.

    JMO


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    For the Ramseys to claim, and expect the public to buy that there were NO cell phone calls made at all during the month of December by them is laughable.
    I have always suspected that things were "taken care of" in that department for the Ramseys by their "connections".
    Why would the District Attorney for instance, refuse to authorize the police to subpeona such a BASIC item as phone records???? It makes no sense and stinks to high heaven IMO. No logical excuse can be put forth.
    And low and behold .... once the records ARE finally made available - there are no records.
    Give me a break.
    It's not like it was only the first or second day of the month of December where perhaps the cell phone might not have been used - it was the END OF THE MONTH!
    I don't believe it for a second.

    But I have another question. Were MIKE BYNUM'S cell phone records sought?
    If John Ramsey phoned him during the middle of the night, and Bynum was up skiing somewhere - there should be a record of that phone call either at the place Bynum was staying or on his cell phone.
    Unless John Ramsey KNEW where Bynum was vacationing (not likely) he most likely would have called his cell phone if he indeed did try and call him that night.

    Didn't John Ramsey make a phone call to a friend high up in the Colorado government? The Attorney General or something? Gail S. someone??
    What was THAT all about??????
    This post is my opinion.


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    I agree, I always though something was very wrong when the phone records were "wiped clean."


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    What was their pattern of use for other months? Back in 96/97 cell phones weren't the ubiquitous belt attachments they are today. They were great, clunking receivers. My sister had one and it wasn't something you could conveniently stick in your purse. Pagers were the gadget of the moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tipper
    What was their pattern of use for other months? Back in 96/97 cell phones weren't the ubiquitous belt attachments they are today. They were great, clunking receivers. My sister had one and it wasn't something you could conveniently stick in your purse. Pagers were the gadget of the moment.
    Then why have one at all?
    The Ramseys DID own one. They obviously intended to use it.
    To not have one single phone call recorded during a busy month like December - is just very suspicious given everything else surrounding this case.

    And that's just a fact.
    This post is my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tipper
    What was their pattern of use for other months? Back in 96/97 cell phones weren't the ubiquitous belt attachments they are today. They were great, clunking receivers. My sister had one and it wasn't something you could conveniently stick in your purse. Pagers were the gadget of the moment.

    Patsy got a new cell phone as a gift from John that Christmas. John already had one.

    Cell phones were popular by 1996. Even I had one by then, and I'm not much of a talker.

    JMO


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    When my sister got hers the best plan pricewise was to pay for a year's use in advance. She got it because her husband was dying of cancer and she wanted to be sure he could call her if he needed to whenever she was out. After he died I think it only got used once or twice during the remaining months of the contract.


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    Patsy admits their making a call besides the Fernies and Whites...and that is to Rod Westmoreland...before the police arrive.

    NE BOOK:

    TT: Who, who all was, where was John at the time that the officer arrived?

    PR: Oh, I don't, I don't know, I remember I, I don't know where he was. I walked out onto the front step there and I was just, I was just kind of out of it. I was hysterical. I said that there was a note and that out daughter had been kidnapped and WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE MONEY and I don't, I don't remember.
    ...We have said to ourselves, look, there is never going to be a victory in this, there is no victory...John Ramsey: 6/24/98


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    Originally posted by BlueCrab
    Regarding the missing phone records, it's my belief that John Ramsey called personal friend and corporate attorney Mike Bynum very early on the morning of the murder -- probably somewhere between 2 A.M. and 4 A.M.
    I agree, BC. To support that theory...in a Larry King Live interview, didn't John put his foot in his mouth and say there was a lot of commotion in the house at 2 a.m., because of somebody coming over?

    imo


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    The records were wiped, that's a fact. Even the BPD used the Ramsey's cell phones on 12/26/1996, yet no calls were showing as air time minutes used for the entire month. That just doesn't happen with a carrier....even "free" minutes show as air time used.

    IMO John Ramsey, Mr Software Developer was able to call in a favor and have everything wiped from his and Patsy's cell phone records or there would have been calls made showing!


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    I guess I am just different....I have had a cell phone for years, and sometimes I don't even turn it on. I have it to carry with me in the car in case of an emergency. I do NOT chat on it with friends, I do that at home. So I have had months with not one single call on it. If I make any calls at all it is a very quick "I am on my way home, do you need anything?" call...and that is rare.

    The phone I had back in 96 was a pain in the butt to carry around and it was considered back then to be a more compact version of a cell phone (the original flip phones). So it is not at all odd to me to not use one.

    The records being gone, is suspicious though. Surely the phone carrier company has access to those records. I never keep any of my phone bills (in house or cell) so they should be able to get them from the company. IF they are mysteriously gone, then yes, that is a red flag for me.


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    "What was their pattern of use for other months? Back in 96/97 cell phones weren't the ubiquitous belt attachments they are today. They were great, clunking receivers. My sister had one and it wasn't something you could conveniently stick in your purse. Pagers were the gadget of the moment."


    i agree that cell phones weren't as common back in 1996, but we have to remember that John Ramsey was a high level business man, not a housewife who needs a cell phone in case her car breaks down. i find it VERY difficult to believe that someone like John, particularly around christmas time when he would probably be spending less time at work, would not make or receive any calls on his cell phone.


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    perhaps he never figured out how to use the contraption


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