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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    You guys who kick holes in the stuff that some of us toss around... I don't mind it, but I'd like to see you guys contribute more by creating your own theories and timelines. Don't always be the critic...try being the creator. Let's see some different people putting theories and timelines out there so that we can discuss it.
    Not everyone has the time to put together theories and timelines. Challenges to theories and timelines help us to develop more solid ones. Both roles - critic and creator - are needed. All contributions are welcome, valuable, and encouraged.


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  3. #182
    MSP: Evidence found vs. Venus' husband


    Video from Wood8 TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcpNFdZ4J_U
    Last edited by KateB; 04-29-2015 at 10:27 PM. Reason: repair url tag.


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  5. #183
    Mich. police search vehicles of Newport News man
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    http://hamptonroads.com/2010/05/mich...s-man?cid=ltst


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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    Where do you think he may have killed her? If someone abducted her, how did they get her back to him? Whose receipt is that in the truck? Whose boots and gloves? Lab will fingerprint all of this, and will also check for epithelial cells in the gloves and boots. The evidence is there.

    Who was in his truck driving across Ohio, buying a tarp, gloves, a shovel and a cap?

    If you think that he hired someone to go to MI and abduct her and drive her all the way back to VA so that he could kill her--well, how would that person subdue her on the drive?

    I'm really trying to see it any other way than the way I see it.

    I'm not hung up on his alibi...we've seen alibis crumble so many times before.

    Is there anything other than the alibi that makes you see it the way you do?

    I'm not trying to be a smartypants... I enjoy the dialogue with you.
    Me you too.

    Maybe he isn't the one who killed her. I wouldn't be that concerned about the alibi if it weren't for the distance involved. I believe that his attorney considered that and provided for his whereabouts on Sunday night as well. But even if he didn't, if they can place him in NN during the day on Monday, then he obviously wasn't the person who abducted her, regardless of the receipt found. I'd really like to know what his alibi is, and who verified he was in NN that day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    You guys who kick holes in the stuff that some of us toss around... I don't mind it, but I'd like to see you guys contribute more by creating your own theories and timelines. Don't always be the critic...try being the creator. Let's see some different people putting theories and timelines out there so that we can discuss it.
    I did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    If he has a job one would assume he went there. Unless he is self employed people would be expecting to see him and would know if he wasn't there. Even if he was self employed, presumably someone would have been expecting him to show up, and if he didn't, with all the publicity around the case, at least some of them would come forward and say so.
    About his job... was it verified that he actually makes the deliveries? Thinking more on this (and the comment he moved to VA for his job), I wonder if he's in IT or management in the company. Something other than a driver, that is.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Natal View Post
    No. I think that whatever happened, all the characters in this knew each other.
    Unless whatever witnesses they have actually lied for him (in a murder case? that would take brass ones) I don't see how he was the one who abducted Venus. If the other person involved knew DS, then it would have to be someone the parents wouldn't know or suspect. I think you're right tho'; we'll know soon enough how the police suspect he pulled this off.


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  14. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Calliope View Post
    Unless whatever witnesses they have actually lied for him (in a murder case? that would take brass ones) I don't see how he was the one who abducted Venus. If the other person involved knew DS, then it would have to be someone the parents wouldn't know or suspect. I think you're right tho'; we'll know soon enough how the police suspect he pulled this off.
    I would almost think that maybe he had nothing at all to do with it, if it weren't for that receipt. I can't think what a person would need a shovel, tarp, gloves, and a cap for all at the same time other than burying a deceased person.

    What if he drove up the day of the receipt, got body disposal items, arranged for Venus' abduction and murder, gave the person the body dumping items, then he drove back to NN and went to work or whatever his 'solid' alibi was?

    Maybe he even went up there and got the body disposal items with the intent of abducting/murdering her, maybe he waited outside the house but the opportunity to abduct didn't arise, so instead he arranged for it to be done and went back home.

    I'd like to know if Venus went outside the home alone the day before, and also if anyone saw anyone hanging around the house the day before. And if DS's alibi covers the day before. IIRC, the alibi has been reported as being for the time of Venus' disappearance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    I agree. I think we'll see an arrest mid-week.

    Here's the thing with the warrant that is a clincher to me that the crime was done by Doug and not by a hireling: the statutes that were used to obtain the search warrants don't have anything to do with conspiracy (which is what abduction for hire would be considered under Virginia statute).
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    I think it's the bolded sections below that can apply to DS recruiting someone to abduct Venus:

    Virginia State Code § 18.2-49. Threatening, attempting or assisting in such abduction:

    Any person who (1) threatens, or attempts, to abduct any other person with intent to extort money, or pecuniary benefit, or (2) assists or aids in the abduction of, or threatens to abduct, any person with the intent to defile such person, or (3) assists or aids in the abduction of, or threatens to abduct, any female under sixteen years of age for the purpose of concubinage or prostitution, shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony.
    The conspiracy charges would just be added on. Hiring someone and giving them the necessary information to carry out the abduction is certainly 'assisting' by any definition.


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    Any speculation about the voice recorders? Since they were on the warrant, LE must have thought they had relevance to the crime. I can only think of two possible uses, both mentioned here earlier, but there have to be other ideas...

    1. Something to do with threatening phone calls? I don't get why a recorded threat would be necessary though.

    2. Something to do with calling the kids? Having his side of the conversation recorded and played by someone else from home?

    My imagination fails.


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    Any person, who, by force, intimidation or deception, and without legal justification or excuse, seizes, takes, transports, detains or secretes the person of another
    That could also apply even if he were not the one to actually abduct her.

    Also:

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1201.html

    § 1201. Kidnapping


    (a) Whoever unlawfully seizes, confines, inveigles, decoys, kidnaps, abducts, or carries away and holds for ransom or reward or otherwise any person, except in the case of a minor by the parent thereof, when—

    (1) the person is willfully transported in interstate or foreign commerce, regardless of whether the person was alive when transported across a State boundary, or the offender travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses the mail or any means, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce in committing or in furtherance of the commission of the offense;

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    (c) If two or more persons conspire to violate this section and one or more of such persons do any overt act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be punished by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.

    Once Michigan finishes with him, then Virginia gets a shot and the Feds will be waiting in the wings. He's toast no matter what.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Calliope View Post
    About his job... was it verified that he actually makes the deliveries? Thinking more on this (and the comment he moved to VA for his job), I wonder if he's in IT or management in the company. Something other than a driver, that is.

    Whether you consider it credible information or not, I don't know, but Venus's parents said on Nancy Grace that he is a truck driver.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maggieo View Post
    Any speculation about the voice recorders? Since they were on the warrant, LE must have thought they had relevance to the crime. I can only think of two possible uses, both mentioned here earlier, but there have to be other ideas...

    1. Something to do with threatening phone calls? I don't get why a recorded threat would be necessary though.

    2. Something to do with calling the kids? Having his side of the conversation recorded and played by someone else from home?

    My imagination fails.
    Only one person in VA need be aware that a call is being recorded. Perhaps he recorded calls to Venus and the kids without their knowledge. Maybe he was stupid enough to record his negotiations with his accomplice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    I would almost think that maybe he had nothing at all to do with it, if it weren't for that receipt. I can't think what a person would need a shovel, tarp, gloves, and a cap for all at the same time other than burying a deceased person.

    What if he drove up the day of the receipt, got body disposal items, arranged for Venus' abduction and murder, gave the person the body dumping items, then he drove back to NN and went to work or whatever his 'solid' alibi was?

    Maybe he even went up there and got the body disposal items with the intent of abducting/murdering her, maybe he waited outside the house but the opportunity to abduct didn't arise, so instead he arranged for it to be done and went back home.

    I'd like to know if Venus went outside the home alone the day before, and also if anyone saw anyone hanging around the house the day before. And if DS's alibi covers the day before. IIRC, the alibi has been reported as being for the time of Venus' disappearance.
    Then again... perhaps the accomplice IS local to Venus. Perhaps the place in Ohio where the items were purchased is roughly a half-way point where he met up with the kidnapper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LLLindsayy View Post
    Whether you consider it credible information or not, I don't know, but Venus's parents said on Nancy Grace that he is a truck driver.
    Ok thanks. Then I'm back to my previous question I guess. I don't see someone moving to another state for a job as a local food delivery driver. So I wonder if *whatever* that position was, it fell through or he was fired/laid off?


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