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    Thinking out loud here again, is it possible that the driver, Michael Eric Hager, had been to a Grateful Dead concert during the 1995 summer tour and bought the tshirt himself, the one that Jason was wearing? It is possible that Jason's clothing were so dirty and crusty, yucky and such from not changing for a few days that when Michael and Jason stopped at Michael's dad's home, Jason showered (perhaps that explains the hair dye being "smeared"/"smudged")Michael gave Jason a change of clothing and Jason just threw out the old ones in the trash. I really would like to know what Michael's physical description was.


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    RKownley,

    You are correct, Dr. H G H is not Eric's father. His father is Michael Robert Hager. Also, fyi, Michael Eric Hager was born 4/18/1974 in Catawba County, NC


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    Thank you NCSleuth, I also have this that verifies Michael's family.

    ETA: Added link:
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...1584%2C2833811

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    Just fyi,
    The David Griffith mentioned in the card of thanks above passed way 1/28/2007. At that time, he was married to Eric's mother. Sounds like he was a very good musician. Looks like the family is really into music, guess that explains why he picked up our hitchhiker.


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    Thank you for that information NCSleuth. RIP David.

    Quote Originally Posted by NCSleuth View Post
    Just fyi,
    The David Griffith mentioned in the card of thanks above passed way 1/28/2007. At that time, he was married to Eric's mother. Sounds like he was a very good musician. Looks like the family is really into music, guess that explains why he picked up our hitchhiker.


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    I've thought about Eric, the driver, all day. I think we'll find out more about him and the details that led up to the wreck via facebook friends from hs in Inman and college friends of his fm Carolina. It would be nice if we knew if he had any siblings and if he was in a fraternity or band or had any major hobbies at USC. (Like, if he was really into Ultimate Frisbee, we could potentially track down former members of the ultimate club at USC.) Just thinking out loud...

    MTA: *Half/step siblings are highly likely given EH's parents' remarriage.
    *I think we should investigate same-age (estimate) potential friends from where both his father and his mother (remarried) lived. He could have good friends from his "Dad summers" that might know what he (EH) was up to that summer.
    *It'd also be helpful to know if either of EH's families were involved in a house of worship. He might have had a good friend-base from youth groups.
    Last edited by runr; 07-02-2010 at 07:54 AM. Reason: New ideas


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    Looking at the NC Birth Indexes it looks like Michael is an only child. I will have to look further to see if he might have any half siblings. I'm also thinking thinking about all the other items you suggested.


    Quote Originally Posted by runr View Post
    I've thought about Eric, the driver, all day. I think we'll find out more about him and the details that led up to the wreck via facebook friends from hs in Inman and college friends of his fm Carolina. It would be nice if we knew if he had any siblings and if he was in a fraternity or band or had any major hobbies at USC. (Like, if he was really into Ultimate Frisbee, we could potentially track down former members of the ultimate club at USC.) Just thinking out loud...


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    Alrighty, what are the chances that Jason was from Catawba County, NC???


    Quote Originally Posted by NCSleuth View Post
    RKownley,

    You are correct, Dr. H G H is not Eric's father. His father is Michael Robert Hager. Also, fyi, Michael Eric Hager was born 4/18/1974 in Catawba County, NC


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    Hey RKnowley
    I was thinking and posted in a couple of places this same theory of the two knowing each other before as well..... something just keeps me thinking they are connected whether it be through school or other interests...... I was 19 that year and would never have picked up someone but that is me..... but there are too many similarities.... I really think they are close in age as well.... that is probably why there is not a missing child link with his discription..... and like u said and I repeat if he did not know Jason, hager felt a kindred spirit in him due to his love of music.... only explanation I can think of to trust someone you don't know to travel with.....


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    Stop-over at the driver's father's house.

    Hi folks.

    There are reams of reading here, so I hope I've got my info correct.

    Were Jason Doe and Eric (the driver) seen at Eric's father's place? I recall reading that somewhere.

    Considering that Eric trusted Jason enough to give him a ride and bring him to his father's home, I wonder if he let Jason use his Dad's phone?

    While I certainly don't expect a phone bill to be top of mind for a grief-stricken father, I wonder if Mr. Hager happened to notice any unusual numbers, perhaps long-distance charges, on his phone bill the next month?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkblue View Post
    Hi folks.

    There are reams of reading here, so I hope I've got my info correct.

    Were Jason Doe and Eric (the driver) seen at Eric's father's place? I recall reading that somewhere.

    Considering that Eric trusted Jason enough to give him a ride and bring him to his father's home, I wonder if he let Jason use his Dad's phone?

    While I certainly don't expect a phone bill to be top of mind for a grief-stricken father, I wonder if Mr. Hager happened to notice any unusual numbers, perhaps long-distance charges, on his phone bill the next month?
    iirc - there was a belief that they were both at the father's house based on the location of the father's house on the trip. i believe the father wasn't at home and stated that the son never mentioned having a passenger or friend with him.


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    I believe a neighbor saw two people at the father's house. Thats how they know Jason had already been picked up.


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    Hi all,

    After posting GD's story all over Reddit, wherever I could imagine it may fit, I made contact with somebody who was close friends with the driver, Eric (that was his preferred name). I thought you might like to have a read through the questions I asked, and his responses. Please, if you would like me to ask any questions, don't hesitate to mail or post here and I will forward them on to him!


    First off, could you tell me a bit more about Michael?

    First off, his name was Michael but he was called Eric. That's what everyone knew him as for as long as I knew him (from 5th grade when he moved to Spartanburg, SC). His mother was married to one of my Dad's high school friends and I used to spend the night with him growing up a good bit.

    Nothing personal obviously, just what he was like as a person? Do you think it would be likely he would pick up a hitchhiker? Was he a Grateful Dead fan? I think it has been confirmed he was not at that concert, as he was with his girlfriend, but I'd be interested to know if he was motivated to pick up our doe because of his clothing. Do you know if he had ever been to a GD concert before?

    Eric was a really big dead fan. I wasn't really into them but he and I would smoke weed and play music for each other (I was more into indie rock at the time...Phish caught me not long after when they played Columbia). Anyway, yeah, all his newer friends were dead fans and I heard that he was going to see the dead around that time so it surprised me to hear that he hadn't been to the show when he wrecked - which by the way, I didn't know until recently in a forum somewhere that was talking about this. For years, I thought he was coming back from a dead show.

    The girlfriend thing is tricky. He had a girlfriend I think was originally from VA but went to USC. I don't remember her name (it's been too many years) but was friends with her at the time. They had broken up and he was dating another girl I didn't know but she was at USC also. Cute red-head. I didn't know her well - only met her through him - but she was a hippy type, wore tie dye, long skirts, berkenstocks, etc. They both were at the funeral, which was a bit weird.

    And, yeah, he was a kind and trusting person. I don't doubt at all he would've picked up a hitchhiker, especially a young guy wearing deadhead attire.

    Were you given any information about the accident at all? Say, were they able to estimate how long it was between when it happened, to when they were found? It has been entertained in the past that maybe someone robbed our doe, and that is why there is no information on him at all.

    I don't know anything really. All I heard was he fell asleep driving. I was more upset about Eric than anything and didn't know about the unidentified guy until later. I have known a number of people who similarly toured with Phish and wouldn't be surprised at all if they had no identifying information on them

    There was information presented that perhaps a neighbour spotted a 'young man' with Michael as he entered his fathers house the day of the accident. Did you ever hear anything of that nature?

    No. His mother and father were divorced and I grew up with him in SC where he lived with his mother. I only met his real father a couple of times, one of them at the funeral.

    Wish I had more info for you. Like I said, it's been many, many years and I probably didn't have much information that would be helpful even then.


    Let me know if you would like anything else asked!
    "If I knew the way, I would take you home..."

    Nearly 20 years without a name, Grateful Doe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greymetal View Post
    Hi all,

    After posting GD's story all over Reddit, wherever I could imagine it may fit, I made contact with somebody who was close friends with the driver, Eric (that was his preferred name). I thought you might like to have a read through the questions I asked, and his responses. Please, if you would like me to ask any questions, don't hesitate to mail or post here and I will forward them on to him!


    First off, could you tell me a bit more about Michael?

    First off, his name was Michael but he was called Eric. That's what everyone knew him as for as long as I knew him (from 5th grade when he moved to Spartanburg, SC). His mother was married to one of my Dad's high school friends and I used to spend the night with him growing up a good bit.

    Nothing personal obviously, just what he was like as a person? Do you think it would be likely he would pick up a hitchhiker? Was he a Grateful Dead fan? I think it has been confirmed he was not at that concert, as he was with his girlfriend, but I'd be interested to know if he was motivated to pick up our doe because of his clothing. Do you know if he had ever been to a GD concert before?

    Eric was a really big dead fan. I wasn't really into them but he and I would smoke weed and play music for each other (I was more into indie rock at the time...Phish caught me not long after when they played Columbia). Anyway, yeah, all his newer friends were dead fans and I heard that he was going to see the dead around that time so it surprised me to hear that he hadn't been to the show when he wrecked - which by the way, I didn't know until recently in a forum somewhere that was talking about this. For years, I thought he was coming back from a dead show.

    The girlfriend thing is tricky. He had a girlfriend I think was originally from VA but went to USC. I don't remember her name (it's been too many years) but was friends with her at the time. They had broken up and he was dating another girl I didn't know but she was at USC also. Cute red-head. I didn't know her well - only met her through him - but she was a hippy type, wore tie dye, long skirts, berkenstocks, etc. They both were at the funeral, which was a bit weird.

    And, yeah, he was a kind and trusting person. I don't doubt at all he would've picked up a hitchhiker, especially a young guy wearing deadhead attire.

    Were you given any information about the accident at all? Say, were they able to estimate how long it was between when it happened, to when they were found? It has been entertained in the past that maybe someone robbed our doe, and that is why there is no information on him at all.

    I don't know anything really. All I heard was he fell asleep driving. I was more upset about Eric than anything and didn't know about the unidentified guy until later. I have known a number of people who similarly toured with Phish and wouldn't be surprised at all if they had no identifying information on them

    There was information presented that perhaps a neighbour spotted a 'young man' with Michael as he entered his fathers house the day of the accident. Did you ever hear anything of that nature?

    No. His mother and father were divorced and I grew up with him in SC where he lived with his mother. I only met his real father a couple of times, one of them at the funeral.

    Wish I had more info for you. Like I said, it's been many, many years and I probably didn't have much information that would be helpful even then.


    Let me know if you would like anything else asked!
    Thanks so much! Can you leave these links there? Grateful dead fans were you at @Rfk stadium June24&25 1995 if so please join & share & Grateful Doe FB page

    Do we know for sure he was not at the show too? Sure sounds like he may have been


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    Yup! I'll get on to that today!

    Have just asked the friend your question, will post a reply once I receive one
    "If I knew the way, I would take you home..."

    Nearly 20 years without a name, Grateful Doe.


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