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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticrose View Post
    Well it sounds like stuff that could def. be connected to this case, where were they searching today again ? tia
    I'm not exactly sure of the location. They had over 100 people and they distributed them all over the place around the Colon area, and the residence where she went missing. They only mentioned they combed through lots of tall grass, mossy wet areas and dirt roads. I'm not sure if any of the items were even found near each other....they didn't say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinemom View Post
    I'm not exactly sure of the location. They had over 100 people and they distributed them all over the place around the Colon area, and the residence where she went missing. They only mentioned they combed through lots of tall grass, mossy wet areas and dirt roads. I'm not sure if any of the items were even found near each other....they didn't say.
    Thank you. I found this article where they said they would be searching :

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    Denny Olson, a former leader in Michigan for the citizen-safety organization Guardian Angels, said the search will begin at 9 a.m. at a park on West Colon Road near Sturgeon Lake.

    Volunteers will search from Colon north to Leonidas and Fulton and as far east as Interstate 69, he said.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/...riday_for.html



    I am not familar with the area at all but it sure sounds like alot of ground to cover.
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    Who is Douglas Stewart?

    Another neighbor was so frightening of Doug, she declined to talk on camera. Scott too said she was leery of Doug, and didn't want her three children near him.

    "We were a little uncomfortable around that, so we did tell our kids, 'stay away from that side of the neighborhood' and 'if you're going to be around them, just come and get mom or dad,' " Scott said.





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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticrose View Post
    Thank you. I found this article where they said they would be searching :

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    Denny Olson, a former leader in Michigan for the citizen-safety organization Guardian Angels, said the search will begin at 9 a.m. at a park on West Colon Road near Sturgeon Lake.

    Volunteers will search from Colon north to Leonidas and Fulton and as far east as Interstate 69, he said.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/...riday_for.html



    I am not familar with the area at all but it sure sounds like alot of ground to cover.

    It is quite a large distance - over 30 miles!! So, that is alot of ground to cover on foot. That is why the MSP can't cover it all, and some independent search groups have called in volunteers to help with the ground search.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticrose View Post
    Thank you. I found this article where they said they would be searching :

    SNIPPED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Denny Olson, a former leader in Michigan for the citizen-safety organization Guardian Angels, said the search will begin at 9 a.m. at a park on West Colon Road near Sturgeon Lake.

    Volunteers will search from Colon north to Leonidas and Fulton and as far east as Interstate 69, he said.

    http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/...riday_for.html



    I am not familar with the area at all but it sure sounds like alot of ground to cover.
    Here's the search area--I made a map from the description given by Mr. Olson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    Here's the search area--I made a map from the description given by Mr. Olson.
    Thank You, the map is helpful.


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    Since it's being brought up by more than one poster, I will address this. I did think Diena Thompson was guilty, and I was wrong. I am often wrong. I am sorry, Diena, if you happen to read this. Somer was a beautiful child and we all grieve her passing.
    I do not feel Larry hurt his daughter at all. I was trying to show other scenarios, etc, and went about it the wrong way. Again, I am sorry. I do have hope that Venus is still alive. If she is not, then I hope the guilty party pays dearly and that she is found without delay. I hope all the evidence and possible suspects are looked at closely, without emotion and that justice comes swiftly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eyes4crime View Post
    Seems to me that after reading the comments suggesting....
    he didn't have the truck
    alibis don't ever fall through
    LE has no idea who has/had possession of the truck etc etchttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/woohoo.gif

    The insinuation is that Venus' dad is the perp, had the truck, stages the scene with his daughter's slipper prints, churned up the mud, put the tracks of the tire where they could be found, drove the car(s) back to VA, and somehow got back to MI to bury his daughter, collect on her will, and stash the kids where Doug can't find them. This reminds me of another case where a case was made against a mom being the murderer by construing the evidence to make it fit the theory at the time.

    This theory seems to be a complete dismissal of LE and their ability to solve a crime. I suppose if I put on defense attorney's hat, I could make a case against her dad and exonerate hubby, discuss the incompetentcies of LE, the brilliance of her dad to pull such a crime off, but at this point in the investigation, Venus' dad is not a suspect or a POI and I'm sure he and mom were interviewed and the house was searched at the time the crime was reported. If there was any evidence that Venus' dad had possession of the truck, had scratches or bruises on his body, there would have been an intense investigation. LE is more thorough than that. I do have trust in them. MOO

    ETA: Oh, I forgot something - Venus' dad also went out, bought a tarp, threw it out but left the wrapper in the yard, hid the receipt on the floor of the truck, drove it back to Virginia all without a single person noticing anything unusual. What a guy!
    And did ALL that between 6AM, when Therese went to work, and 8:30AM, when Venus was reported missing. Whoa...talented guy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Black View Post
    Why didn't Venus Stewart petition the courts in Virginia for custody? Instead, she leaves Virginia without telling Douglas and takes the children with her. The courts really frown upon that because it is sort of like parental kidnapping, taking children out of state without the permission of the other parent, but that is pretty much a moot point now that she has disappeared.

    Then when she gets to Virginia she does a hasty will--basically getting her affairs in order after she wins temporary custody from the family court judge in Michigan.

    There is no doubt in my mind that she was cutting Douglas loose, and she planned it well in advance. Taking the kids to her mom's house in Michigan gave her the physical address she needed to petition the court for custody. By doing that it would be very tough for Douglas to defend against it.

    To help lock down custody all she did was say he was molesting the children, which is really common for women to say such things in divorce proceedings because custody of the children is the number one goal because of child support and state assistance.

    This is an interesting case because it does reflect the social atmosphere of many American marriages. Most folks work things out or use the process to sort it out, but every so often you get cases like this one where one parent will take the kids and move them out of state in a winner take all mindset.

    Now, knowing she did the custody process and her will, is it possible that she disappeared on purpose? There are groups of women out there who help abused women disappear when they think they are in danger. I am not saying there is no possibility that Douglas did harm her, but frankly, I can't find any documentation proving that Douglas ever did harm her, and also no documentation which proves he molested his children.

    It may just be nothing, but it appears like Venus was putting all the legal things in order, and then she just disappeared without a trace. That is very unusual to say the least, but the media is quick to blame the husband for it right away without looking at the facts and asking these types of questions.
    I am originally from Wisconsin and was in eerily similar circumstances to Venus.

    - Prior to any custody orders from the courts, BOTH parents assume joint custody, meaning at any time a parent can withdraw the child from the state in which they reside - they do not require the other parent's permission. Venus did nothing illegal by returning to Michigan and therefore, I am doubtful any judge would have held it against her. However...

    If Doug was against her relocating he would have been within his rights to file a motion seeking an injunction.

    - If they were married in Michigan, and the children were born in Michigan, it would only make sense that MI would be the 'home' state for custodial issues.
    While VA could have heard custodial/divorce matters it would have made for a more convoluted issue.

    - Temporary custody is just what an implies. It is most often granted to primary caretakers until an investigation can be concluded over the best permanent situation for the children involved.

    - Though in this situation it does not apply, most states have a relocation clause worked into their family law statutes. In WI, the custodial parent must inform the courts and the non custodial parent, in writing, 60 days prior to moving the children more than 150 miles. The NCP can then object to the relocation, a hearing is held to appoint a GAL (guardian ad litem), and an investigation is launched as to the best placement for the children.

    Some other, non legal, observations:

    Elsewhere in this thread it was stated that this is 'textbook' and I concur. While my ex was always verbally and psychologically abusive it was not until I left the relationship that he truly waged war. When an abuser senses they are losing control often their attempts to regain it are amped up to a level not seen before.

    I know much has been made in earlier threads about Venus being charged with assault...but I remember a few times in my marriage where I was the one screaming and name calling. I'm not normally like that but there was such an indescribable frustration being in a situation you don't know how to fix.

    I had no assets or property but have had a will since having children to spell out my wishes for guardianship should anything happen to me.

    Just some thoughts I wanted to share.


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    Odd case. First glace it appears to be a simple case of an estranged husband abducting/etc his estranged wife. But then you run into facts like the husband lives across the country and has an alibi placing him in Virginia when the crime was being committed in Michigan.

    Then there's the trail of breadcrumbs evidence: a receipt for a tarp and other items AND the packaging from the tarp ends up at the location the victim is abducted from. On the one hand, yeah, simple: the perp bought the tarp, left the receipt in the vehicle and also negligently left the tarp packaging at the crime scene.

    On the other hand, it does create a nexus between the husband and the crime scene--and pretty much the only solid non-circumstantial evidence currently connecting the husband to the crime scene.

    Oh, and the vehicle in which the receipt was found is not titled to the husband but to the estranged wife (who likely had spare keys).

    And then the vehicle isn't found when the police first conduct a search
    but then the police search again a few days later and discover the vehicle parked on a street nearby.

    Were the police running regular searches for the vehicle or were they tipped off to go and look for it again a few days later? And, if the latter, who provided the tip and when did they provide it?

    And it turns out that the missing woman was so violent toward the husband that she had been arrested and charged with domestic violence. And the husband had asked for and rec'd multiple personal protection orders against her. And the husband, not the wife, was the first to file for divorce:

    http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-...ttom-page.html

    very odd case.
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    Also, the police keep adamantly stating that the estranged husband is the "sole person of interest", this despite the husband's checked-out-so-far alibi.
    That is, as far as we know, it's not possible for the husband to have pulled this off by himself--if he was involved, he had to have accomplices--aren't the police interested in those accomplices?

    and yet the police have made no move to arrest the husband or even bring him in for questioning (with attorney, of course)? And is this a missing person case in which time is of the essence? If they suspect the husband's involvement, why not bring him in for questioning? Sure, he has a right to counsel and to not answer any questions, but they could still go through the process of bringing him, sitting him in an interrogation room and asking some questions. Maybe he gives something up in his mannerisms, maybe he answers a question or two, maybe he cracks under the circumstances and tells all, who knows. But it's gotta be worth a shot to find this missing woman.

    Police departments' statements during the investigation of a crime, especially one that might be on-going, shouldn't necessarily be taken at face value.

    Let's say, hypothetically, the police have determined that what's actually going on is being driven by someone other than the husband, but they don't want to alert the other parties they are investigating to that fact. So they put out this, to me, odd statement that the husband is the "sole person of interest"--when they freaking know he wasn't in Michigan at the time the abduction apparently happened! So shouldn't they also be looking for other POI (i.e., his accomplices)?
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    The criminal investigator must remain objective and open to different perspectives when conducting an investigation. He/she should follow the facts wherever the facts may lead them and not attempt to fit certain facts to the exclusion of others into a pre-determined conclusion. One must always look beyond the obvious and seek the truth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    Odd case. First glace it appears to be a simple case of an estranged husband abducting/etc his estranged wife. But then you run into facts like the husband lives across the country and has an alibi placing him in Virginia when the crime was being committed in Michigan.

    Then there's the trail of breadcrumbs evidence: a receipt for a tarp and other items AND the packaging from the tarp ends up at the location the victim is abducted from. On the one hand, yeah, simple: the perp bought the tarp, left the receipt in the vehicle and also negligently left the tarp packaging at the crime scene.

    On the other hand, it does create a nexus between the husband and the crime scene--and pretty much the only solid non-circumstantial evidence currently connecting the husband to the crime scene.

    Oh, and the vehicle in which the receipt was found is not titled to the husband but to the estranged wife (who likely had spare keys with her).

    And then the vehicle isn't found when the police first conduct a search
    but then the police search again a few days later and discover the vehicle parked on a street nearby.

    Were the police running regular searches for the vehicle or were they tipped off to go and look for it again a few days later? And, if the latter, who provided the tip and when did they provide it?

    And it turns out that the missing woman was so violent toward the husband that she had been arrested and charged with domestic violence. And the husband had asked for and rec'd multiple personal protection orders against her. And the husband, not the wife, was the first to file for divorce:

    http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-...ttom-page.html

    very odd case.
    Hi Saint...just letting you know...get ready for the flood gates to open up. There should be about 4 or 5 incoming scud missiles headed your way when they wake up and read your post, they'll be arriving to give you a verbal beatdown for your unmitigated gall. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Or he sold it. Or aliens took it.

    Well, in that case I vote for the Aliens! I may have missed something but I haven't seen any mention in any news form that said he sold it..........and besides how could he sell it IF it was in her name?........So.....what planet do ya think they were from?


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