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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    Yes, I'm aware of that. But that doesn't mean the police can't gleam any further information from the process of asking questions, presenting Doug with pieces of evidence and gauging his reaction to those questions and the evidence (esp the Wal-Mart tape, presuming the police have that by now). And it doesn't mean that it wouldn't have an impact on Doug's state of mind or behavior if he were to be arrested,charged and formally interrogated. who knows, maybe he gives something away in the process, something that assists the police in finding Venus, alive or otherwise.
    I'm sorry that I'm having difficulty in understanding this...and I'm not asking this to be a meanie...

    What are you trying to say? What is the point that you're arguing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    that's an odd location for a mailbox. ; )
    ???

    By the road? Where else would they put it? On the river?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    ???

    By the road? Where else would they put it? On the river?
    You said that's the back of the house and it appears to be such.

    According to this photo and text, the mailbox at that house is located where most mailboxes are: in the front of the home:

    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...ent=NGblog.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    that's an odd location for a mailbox. ; )
    Actually, that is the property looking from behind the woodpile where Larry theorizes Doug was possibly hiding.

    wider view:


    Pufnstuf has a property map that shows the mailbox at the end of the driveway. This^ view isn't the same driveway.

    Here's the view from mailbox to house.




    The pic spamelope linked shows there are no windows, since the front of the home is built to overlook the river.




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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    You said that's the back of the house and it appears to be such.

    According to this photo and text, the mailbox at that house is located where most mailboxes are: in the front of the home:

    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...ent=NGblog.jpg
    No, most mailboxes are located on the road on which their 911 address is located, whether that be the front, back, or side of the home.

    The McCombs' home faces a shared property line with no access. The only access to their property is from Driftwood Drive, which is where the mailbox is located.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaReckonwith View Post
    Actually, that is the property looking from behind the woodpile where Larry theorizes Doug was possibly hiding.
    thanks, yeah, that makes more sense. So the locals think Doug himself made the trek up from Virginia to do this? Interesting if that's the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamelope View Post
    Just for the record, the part of the house where the abduction takes place has no windows. Here is a picture showing the back of the house.
    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...arentshome.jpg
    W/thanks to AmandaReckonwith

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    I just looked at the photo again, and the woodpile doesn't look like it would afford much cover. Does anyone know of any other pics of it, or if it is higher than just a few feet tall? TIA
    It's really hard to tell in some of the pics, but the area is heavily wooded.

    My guess is that he (whoever he may be) surprised her at the mailbox. She ran back to the house, and he overpowered her at the propane tank. Who the heck knows...maybe it was a camo tarp and he hid under/behind it... I dunno.
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    Personally, I think if I were DS, and I were innocent, I would want to be arrested and exonerated rather than live with the suspicion of killing my partner hanging over my head indefinitely.
    Recently, there was a party here with underage drinking. The cops hauled my 17 yr old in for questioning. They were very nice to her when I was there, but she said when they had her alone, one of the cops was a rude jerk. They can and DO lie in the course of the investigation. They would have had me believing it, but they picked the wrong place to say she got booze. She told me that if they wanted to talk to her again, she wanted a lawyer, even if she had to pay for it herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    Ah, ok. But once someone is under arrest, there's no saying "nah, I'm not even going to listen to your questions", correct?

    That is, once under arrest, the police can conduct an interrogation--they can make you sit and listen to their questions. You can have a lawyer present and you can refuse to answer any questions, but you can't deny the police the opportunity to sit you in a room and sit across from you and ask questions, is that true?
    I'm envisioning a bunch of cops sitting around an interrogation room - well, some pacing back and forth - firing off questions, waving around evidence, and just generally acting like buffoons while wasting taxpayer dollars, perhaps occasionally acting out a charade or two for the other cops to guess, while the subject and their attorney sit there playing backgammon with headphones on. Someone should paint that - one of those paintings with dogs as the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaReckonwith View Post
    It's really hard to tell in some of the pics, but the area is heavily wooded.

    My guess is that he (whoever he may be) surprised her at the mailbox. She ran back to the house, and he overpowered her at the propane tank. Who the heck knows...maybe it was a camo tarp and he hid under/behind it... I dunno.
    That kinda bizarre, dude's just chillin' by the woodpile, waiting for her to come out of the house alone? What happens if one of the parents or the older kid wanders out there to play before Venus comes out by herself? or someone else happens by and sees this dude crouched down behind a cord of wood. "hey there, neighbor, watcha doin?" "oh, playing an early game of hide-and-seek before work. don't give me away!"

    Maybe he was in the nearby tree line, hiding in the woods or down by the river (maybe pretending to fish or something) and then moved up to the wood pile when he saw her come out to the mailbox and then did a mad dash to cut her off before she got back inside.

    If he was hiding out in the woods for a while, the police should be able to find some signs of that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickieChickie View Post
    I swear I read somewhere that two friends gave alibis. If none of you have read the same thing, then I am obviously wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    We need more than others stating they've read the same thing - we need a link

    No one will find a link about the "two friends" this little addition to DS's having an alibi in VA was started on here.

    It originally started with the police saying something to the effect that DS had provided them with an alibi that he was in VA. Someone (I'm not going to dig through 4 threads..lol.) said something to the effect "I bet it was two friends of his" and then someone else has added the word "loyal". I kinda of watched this one go on. I probably should have said something but.... sometimes people on here do not take it well and accuse people of being "snarky" and I don't want to get banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spamelope View Post
    Recently, there was a party here with underage drinking. The cops hauled my 17 yr old in for questioning. They were very nice to her when I was there, but she said when they had her alone, one of the cops was a rude jerk. They can and DO lie in the course of the investigation. They would have had me believing it, but they picked the wrong place to say she got booze. She told me that if they wanted to talk to her again, she wanted a lawyer, even if she had to pay for it herself.
    Absolutely that happens. Never talk to the police (when they are investigating a crime or what have you, not when you see them at the donut shop buying coffee ) without an attorney present, no matter how innocent you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post
    Absolutely that happens. Never talk to the police (when they are investigating a crime or what have you, not when you see them at the donut shop buying coffee ) without an attorney present, no matter how innocent you are.
    Yes, there is an excellent video I think Calliope linked to earlier in the thread. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2514885833865#

    Be forewarned, the guy talks very fast!

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    The McComb property, DTS from county plats and sat photos. Added the woodpile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesaint View Post

    If he was hiding out in the woods for a while, the police should be able to find some signs of that as well.
    They have. Tire imprints, which have been preliminarily matched to the Dodge Ram. MSP is transporting the truck to Michigan so that their imprint specialist can examine it more closely.

    I think he hid behind the shed, in my opinion. Would make grabbing her a lot easier, and would explain why the scuffle marks were where they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    The McComb property, DTS from county plats and sat photos. Added the woodpile.
    Thank you for that. Do you know where the truck was in relation to that? I read kittycorner to their house, but don't know if it was mentioned on which side?
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    At this point and time, and I may be wrong, but I do not believe that DS is on surveillance in OH, at the Walmart. I think we would have heard he was on the security tapes.


    “When you are asking, why are we not locking this thing up,” said Lt. Risko, “we don't have Venus.”

    http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-...ttom-mich.html
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    Something about the above statement by the LE is odd. I can't put my finger on it but its just odd.

    The other odd thing is the truck. Was the truck VS's or DS's? I have read on here that the car and the truck belonged to DS and then I have read the truck was actually registered to VS. If it was VS's truck I am quite sure she had keys to it.

    How did she and two kids get to MI? Was the 1200 for plane tickets? Did someone drive down and get them?

    How much blood was on the two cars? I'm clutzy and forever cutting myself working in the yard and then hoping in the car to go Walmart or Home Depot. If I ever go missing my family is going to be under suspicion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamelope View Post
    Thank you for that. Do you know where the truck was in relation to that? I read kittycorner to their house, but don't know if it was mentioned on which side?
    TIA
    In the field across Driftwood drive from the house is my understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalgenie View Post
    At this point and time, and I may be wrong, but I do not believe that DS is on surveillance in OH, at the Walmart. I think we would have heard he was on the security tapes.


    “When you are asking, why are we not locking this thing up,” said Lt. Risko, “we don't have Venus.”

    http://www.wwmt.com/articles/margin-...ttom-mich.html
    BBM

    Something about the above statement by the LE is odd. I can't put my finger on it but its just odd.
    Ha, funny, I too found it odd:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5190098&postcount=197"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MI MI - Venus Rose Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - ABDUCTED - #4[/ame]


    As are some other statements the police have made in this case, e.g.

    "Part of his alibi is he was in Virginia..."

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5190166&postcount=213"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MI MI - Venus Rose Stewart, 32, Colon, 28 April 2010 - ABDUCTED - #4[/ame]


    does that mean that his alibi is (i) he was in Virginia + (ii) he was at work all day and a dozen people can verify? Or does it mean he was in Virginia for only part of the time of his alibi? Frustrating.
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    How do we know the truck is in Venus' name?

    Hopefully not because two loyal friends told us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalgenie View Post
    No one will find a link about the "two friends" this little addition to DS's having an alibi in VA was started on here.
    MCNEILL: Police have told us that he has -- his lawyer claims that he has two witnesses who will say he was in Newport News, Virginia where he has a home on that morning. And I`m sure that they`re checking those alibis, but so far haven`t shaken them.

    John McNeill is the news director for WKZO radio, one of the local media out of Kalamazoo.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by pufnstuf View Post
    In the field across Driftwood drive from the house is my understanding.
    Which leads me to wonder how the perp would've gotten her across the street and into the truck undetected at approximately 7:30am. Is it remotely possible she could've been taken in another direction such as toward the river? I'm still not grasping DS lying in wait across the street for hours waiting for the possibility Venus might come out to the mailbox. MOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    How do we know the truck is in Venus' name?

    Hopefully not because two loyal friends told us.
    Hey, it was mentioned in like 6 other posts in 5 other threads, so it has to be true! Right? j/k : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    How do we know the truck is in Venus' name?

    Hopefully not because two loyal friends told us.
    It was in the affidavit for probable cause. Truck owned by Venus but in the possession of Doug--but possibly beamed up by little green men sometime around April 25-26th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    Which leads me to wonder how the perp would've gotten her across the street and into the truck undetected at approximately 7:30am. Is it remotely possible she could've been taken in another direction such as toward the river? I'm still not grasping DS lying in wait across the street for hours waiting for the possibility Venus might come out to the mailbox. MOO
    Rural road, no through-traffic because Driftwood is a loop--only residents. Possibly choke-hold to subdue her. His description by LE is former Marine, 5'11 and 250 lbs. Venus' description by LE is that she's 5'4 and 130 lbs.

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