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    VA - John Pongel, 21 - Strange?? Could this be??

    I hope you can all follow what I have to say without getting too confused with my storytelling. I can tell you I am confused already.

    On Sunday, June 25, 1995 before the GD show, in one of the parking lots at RFK Stadium, there were 3 people (2 girls and a guy) who were sitting up in a tree when lightning struck them. One of the females was critical condition and the other 2 were in stable condition. (If this were Jason it would explain why the ticket to the Sunday night show looks to be unused??)

    On Monday, June 26, 1995 the 2 that were in stable condition were released from the hospital. OK, this is where you might lose me and I might get lost. The guy who got released was a John Pongel, age 21 from Danville, VA. Let's imagine that he went back to wherever he was supposed to meet his ride (again let's pretend his ride was supposed to be Caroline O. & Caroline T.) and they were gone and this is where he finds the note that we are sorry we missed you, see you later, call me. and has their number. So, Jason starts thumbing where he meets up with Michael Eric Hager and then they stop by Michael's father's house for a few and then head out on their way and end up in the car accident in Emporia, VA on Highway 58. What is strange is that to get to Danville, VA (would it be long distance to call from Danville, VA to Chapel Hill, NC?) you would continue travelling on Highway 58 for another 2 and a half hours. Then maybe Jason was going to pick up some items from his place and then drop down into Chapel Hill, NC (that has the 914 phone prefix) where perhaps the 2 Caroline's lived? Michael Eric Hager may have continued on his way to Inman, South Carolina from this location.

    Anyone think this could be a likely scenario?

    Here are a couple pieces of articles about the 3 who were hit by lightning:




    3 Grateful Dead Concertgoers Struck by Lightning Near RFK; Woman Is Injured Critically in Parking Lot


    The Washington Post | June 26, 1995

    Lightning injured three people, one critically, as they huddled under a tree yesterday outside Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium before a concert by Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead.
    Kristin Daniel, 20, of Danville, Va., was critically injured when lightning struck about 3 p.m. as thunderstorms moved through the area. She was taken by ambulance to D.C. General Hospital, next to the stadium, where she was listed in critical condition, officials said.
    The other victims, Kira Lee, 23, and John Pongel, 21, were in stable condition at George Washington University Medical

    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-841016.html



    Your search for ( (unq:"0EAEA42A07074588") ) returned 1 article(s), listed below, out of 1 matching your terms.


    Your search results: LIGHTNING VICTIM CRITICAL

    Published on June 28, 1995. Article 1 of 1 found.

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    A Radford University student struck by lightning outside RFK stadium in Washington, D.C., last weekend remains in critical condition, hospital officials said Tuesday. Kristen Daniel, 20, of Danville, is in the Intensive Care Unit of D.C. General Hospital, breathing with the assistance of a respirator. Daniel was sitting under a tree Sunday, awaiting the Grateful Dead-Bob Dylan concert, when the lightning hit. Two fans seated beside her escaped serious injury and were released Monday
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    Last edited by summer_breeze; 05-15-2013 at 09:30 AM. Reason: add thought

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    I want to correct myself in what I wrote above. I wrote (typed or whatever) that John Pongel was from Danville, Virginia. That may not be true. In reading the full article about the event that took place, it says that John Pongel's and Kira Lee's home towns were not available.


    The article states:

    The other victims, Kira Lee, 23, and John Pongel, 21, were in stable condition at George Washington University Medical Center, authorities said. Their home towns were not available.
    http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-searc...26&f_publisher=

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    I can't find a John Pongel on line or even a Pongel in Virginia. So, it sounds like a theory that has the possibility to lead somewhere. Great find!

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    There are Podols and Pondels listed, maybe D was misheard as G......totally worth investigating

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    There is an L. PONDEL that I find interesting. He is listed under People Search Pro under the following locations:

    Washington, DC
    Augusta, GA
    Fort Benning, GA
    Fort Gordon, GA
    Hephzibah, GA
    Takoma Park, MD
    Fort Bragg, NC

    Our Jason Doe was at the Grateful Dead Show in DC and could have been headed in the area of NC or GA for all we know??

    Quote Originally Posted by DBinMA View Post
    There are Podols and Pondels listed, maybe D was misheard as G......totally worth investigating

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    RK, I find your theory pretty interesting and it makes sense. I'm thinking the last name was Pongel. When in er or admitted in a hospital, they're going to ask you how to spell your name. So, it's very likely that did happen.

    While doing a search for Pongel on zabasearch.com netted nothing. I did find a Dawn Pongel (age 43) in San Diego, CA. A
    Geraldine K Pongel in
    Shrewsbury, MA. And Theresa M Pongel
    Foristell, MO.

    http://www.peoplefinders.com/search/...ame&ln=Pongel&

    BTW, I'm back online after not having internet at home for two years!

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    Marysawol, boy, you really have been AWOL for sometime, lol! Glad to see you back online. I don't know what I'd do without the internet for that long.

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    Thanks RK! I do have internet on my cell phone, tho, was unable to access WS on that. I could check my email, go on facebook, and myspace. Myspace was pretty limited tho.

    It's good to be back. I started working on Grateful Doe four years ago. It breaks my heart he's been nameless for almost 15 years now.

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    In searching for Kristin and Kira (on Intellus) I found for a Kristin Daniel:

    http://www.intelius.com/search-summa...4&focusfirst=1

    Age is listed as being 34. The Kristin Daniel in the article was listed as being 20. Today she could be 34 if her birthday is between tomorrow and June 25th.

    I don't have a paid subscription to that site, if anyone does, you may want to search deeper.

    Kira Lee:

    http://www.intelius.com/search-summa...4&focusfirst=1

    Age is listed as being 38 which also coincides with the Kira in the article. I did a search (thru zabasearch.com) on the eldest Lee family member (Hsueh Yu Lee) and came up with:

    http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zab...yle=1&tm=&tmr=

    Not sure if we should write to these people, or what.

    Hope this helps.

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    RK, I really like this theory of yours. If I may, I'd like to add to it. What if Kira, Kristin, and John were attending the same college? Or, maybe Kira and Kristin were roommates at a college and John was a boyfriend or friend of Kristin (same age)?

    With that in mind, I did a search of all the colleges in Virginia. I found a list of 39 http://www.colleges.virginia.cc/ and looked into their directories, dorms; what ever had a list of phone numbers. None of them had a 914 prefix.

    So then I thought about, what if one of the ladies had a pager/beeper and the prefix was 914?

    Anywho, that's all the time I have for today. I'll be back soon. =)


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    Good thinking!!! Run with it when you have the chance. I'll do some more thinking it on it, also.

    Quote Originally Posted by marysawol View Post
    RK, I really like this theory of yours. If I may, I'd like to add to it. What if Kira, Kristin, and John were attending the same college? Or, maybe Kira and Kristin were roommates at a college and John was a boyfriend or friend of Kristin (same age)?

    With that in mind, I did a search of all the colleges in Virginia. I found a list of 39 http://www.colleges.virginia.cc/ and looked into their directories, dorms; what ever had a list of phone numbers. None of them had a 914 prefix.

    So then I thought about, what if one of the ladies had a pager/beeper and the prefix was 914?

    Anywho, that's all the time I have for today. I'll be back soon. =)

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    Just wanted you to know that you most likely have the correct Kristin in the search you did in intelius.

    The article I read also included the following statement by her grandmother:

    "I am floored by this," she said. "Kristin just celebrated her twentieth birthday Wednesday."
    Quote Originally Posted by marysawol View Post
    In searching for Kristin and Kira (on Intellus) I found for a Kristin Daniel:

    http://www.intelius.com/search-summa...4&focusfirst=1

    Age is listed as being 34. The Kristin Daniel in the article was listed as being 20. Today she could be 34 if her birthday is between tomorrow and June 25th.

    I don't have a paid subscription to that site, if anyone does, you may want to search deeper.

    Kira Lee:

    http://www.intelius.com/search-summa...4&focusfirst=1

    Age is listed as being 38 which also coincides with the Kira in the article. I did a search (thru zabasearch.com) on the eldest Lee family member (Hsueh Yu Lee) and came up with:

    http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zab...yle=1&tm=&tmr=

    Not sure if we should write to these people, or what.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RKnowley View Post
    Just wanted you to know that you most likely have the correct Kristin in the search you did in intelius.

    The article I read also included the following statement by her grandmother:
    I don't know why, but I'm shocked. This is so good to know!

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    That means that Kristin Daniel survived being hit by lightning doesn't it?? I am looking at what you posted about Kira Lee now. Then we need to figure out what happened to John Pongel, if possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by marysawol View Post
    I don't know why, but I'm shocked. This is so good to know!

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    According to Intelius, there is a James Pongel in Spartanburg, SC. This is 15 miles from Inman, SC. If this James is a relative, perhaps brother or dad, it would make a lot of sense for Jason to get a ride with Michael Hager who was going to Inman. They might even have known each other before the fateful day.

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