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    Quote Originally Posted by DairyGirl View Post
    I would agree with you but Joe has already stated that he wants them to receive the DP. If it weren't for that I would hope they would plead, too. I am praying for him.
    If that's the case, then I'm all for it. It was on FB that Joe was notified of the ME findings the day (or 2) before the charges were filed. I don't know how detailed they would have been, but I wonder if the reason they are delaying the decision to make it a DP case is to give the family time to decide if they want to go through that in a trial. How utterly horrifying, for everyone. When I think of those outside the family who've seen first-hand what that baby endured, it makes me sick. LE, ME, DA, the funeral home personnel, and soon the judge and jury. As much as it has obviously affected us just reading what little has been disclosed, I can't imagine what those people are going through and the nightmares they must have, or how they could possibly get over this. Those monsters have ruined a lot of lives.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    Very often in cases where children are killed by one or both of their parents, I almost feel a sense of relief. That the babies didn't have to grow up in an environment of violence and/or neglect. I'm sorry to say that, but that's how I feel.

    But in this case, Ethan was thriving right where he was. He was loved and cared for by those around him. SS did NOT want him for any purpose but to hurt Joe. She didn't love that sweet baby nor did she want to care for him, IMO. She is every bit as guilty as her POS "man." They both deserve to die, but whatever death to which the state of UT sentences them, it will not be enough. If it's not EXACTLY the way that baby died, it will not be fair or just.
    BBM

    He was cherished. To go from such love to such evil and murdered within days... and my heart breaks to think of what must have been going through Ethan's mind during those days.

    This poem is reprinted with permission. (it was also posted a few threads back)

    Dear Mommy,

    I didn’t want to come to Utah
    I’ll miss my daddy so
    I don’t have any friends here ...
    But, the judge told my daddy I had to go.

    But, I think that we’ll have fun together-
    Maybe we can go to the park?
    Maybe we can watch cartoons
    Or play hide and seek in the dark.

    Maybe we can bake a cake
    Or we can play on the slide
    Or you know I like to color and draw-
    We can use chalk on the street outside.

    Mommy, I didn’t mean to fall
    And drop your plate and make it shatter.
    I was running too fast to help clean up
    I’m sorry … the reason doesn’t matter.

    Mommy, please – I’m really sorry
    I will always do what you say
    Or I know that I’ll get slapped again.
    But, he seems to do it anyway.

    Mommy, I’m sorry that I can’t stop crying
    I’ll go straight to bed.
    I just can’t help it… I’m so tired
    Please tell him to stop hitting my head.

    Mom, stop taking pictures-
    I just don’t feel like I can smile.
    Mom, can I please have some medicine?
    My head’s been hurting for a while.

    Mommy I’m sorry that I got so dirty
    And, I know that it’s a lesson I have to learn.
    Please let me out of this bath tub
    It’s hot and my legs are starting to burn.

    Mom, is that my dad on the phone?
    Can I please tell him hi?
    I promise I won’t tell him your boyfriend hurts me-
    And, I promise I won’t cry.

    Mom, please let me out of here.
    I’m hungry and tired and sad.
    Can I please have some dinner?
    Just a little bit- I promise I won’t make you mad.

    Mommy, where are you?
    I need you to help me please.
    Mommy…PLEASE… I need your help
    I am begging on my knees.

    Mommy, I think I’m tired now
    I have no more tears to cry.
    I probably won’t wake up this time
    So, this is my goodbye-

    Mommy- I am just so little
    And, I didn’t mean to make you mad.
    I’m going up to heaven now-
    And, really….I’m kind of glad.

    But, mom, one thing before I go
    I just need to say-
    Please tell my dad I love him.
    But, I will be okay.

    I am going to heaven now.
    And I won’t hurt anymore.
    I will smile and run around
    And I will be able to act like I’m four.

    Please-I never got to tell my dad
    And, I just want him to be sure-
    That he knows, that I know, that I was his world
    And he tried to protect me from who he knew you were.

    Mother- I can’t stay awake anymore
    My eyes are closing…I can’t see.
    I wonder if you will be shown the mercy
    That you were never able to show me.

    Tell my dad I’m sorry I couldn’t come home.
    But I am going to heaven today.
    But, I’ll be watching him from up above
    And I’ll show him I’m there in my very own way.

    He’ll see my smile in the sunshine
    He’ll feel my warmth from it’s rays.
    I will wait in heaven for him.
    Until it’s his time to come this way.

    Please bless my dad, and those who will cry
    Because I am leaving earth this way.
    Please thank them for their love and ask them
    To please help get justice for kids like me today.

    Love,

    Ethan


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    A memorial walk will be held later this morning for 4-year-old Ethan Stacy.

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    The memorial walk for Stacy will begin at 10 a.m. at the Grundy Community Center.

    Representatives from TruPoint Bank will also be there to collect donations for the Ethan Stacy Memorial Fund.
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    http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10822257

    At the same time, domestic violence counselors are questioning whether Stephanie Sloop was abused as well.

    The question of mental illness

    Nathan Sloop's attorney, Todd Utzinger, is urging patience in the case.

    It's too early to know how claims of a multiple personality disorder might play into any defense, such as an insanity plea, according to attorney Todd Utzinger."The prosecutor in the case, Troy Rawlings, is trying to do his job carefully, and we also are trying to do our job carefully," Utzinger told KSL Newsradio on Tuesday.

    Part of that job will be to check out claims that Sloop has a multiple personality disorder. Utzinger said he's obligated to check out the claims that, so far, he's only heard in media reports. He said it's too early to know how that might play into any defense, such as an insanity plea.


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    Meanwhile, domestic violence counselors are questioning whether there were any early warning signs that perhaps could have saved Ethan Stacy from his fate.

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    "If the woman is a victim of abuse or violence by her partner, then the children are," said Kathy Franchek, UDVC council member and assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Utah's School of Medicine.

    "It's not an absolute," she continued, "but our impression is someone who is abusive to their partner is not going to have the same appropriate way to act with their children."
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    The FBI has now entered the investigation into the death of Ethan Stacy, partly because of its expertise in examining electronic evidence, which could provide valuable clues in the timeline of violence that led to the boy's death.


    One of the photos the FBI is investigating is this one, which was posted on Stephanie Sloop's Facebook page. The Layton City Police Department says it is aware of a Facebook photo that has created a lot of buzz in the case. The lieutenant KSL News spoke to would not go into details, but he said it's definitely part of the investigation.


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    But since there is so much electronic data in this case, the FBI was called in because of their specialized laboratory.

    The agency only has 16 of these labs across the country, and one happens to be right here in Salt Lake City.

    "In any case where you might have audio, video or other kinds of digital evidence, the regional computer forensic lab would be a great resource," Horn says.

    Horn says there is always a possibility that people will manipulate electronic data by using programs like Photoshop. However, he says these forensic scientists are highly trained to tell the difference between what's real and what's fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintr View Post
    http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=10822257

    At the same time, domestic violence counselors are questioning whether Stephanie Sloop was abused as well.

    The question of mental illness

    Nathan Sloop's attorney, Todd Utzinger, is urging patience in the case.

    It's too early to know how claims of a multiple personality disorder might play into any defense, such as an insanity plea, according to attorney Todd Utzinger."The prosecutor in the case, Troy Rawlings, is trying to do his job carefully, and we also are trying to do our job carefully," Utzinger told KSL Newsradio on Tuesday.

    Part of that job will be to check out claims that Sloop has a multiple personality disorder. Utzinger said he's obligated to check out the claims that, so far, he's only heard in media reports. He said it's too early to know how that might play into any defense, such as an insanity plea.


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    Meanwhile, domestic violence counselors are questioning whether there were any early warning signs that perhaps could have saved Ethan Stacy from his fate.

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    "If the woman is a victim of abuse or violence by her partner, then the children are," said Kathy Franchek, UDVC council member and assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Utah's School of Medicine.

    "It's not an absolute," she continued, "but our impression is someone who is abusive to their partner is not going to have the same appropriate way to act with their children."
    Well, I saw a photo of Ethan with his jaw and face so battered, bruised and swollen, he was unable to close his mouth, he had bruising on his neck, ear, forehead and eyes and an apparent ligature mark around the base of his neck. And police tell us the injuries grew progressively worse.

    I've yet to see a single mark on SS.

    So ... I'll go out on a limb and call BS on her being abused.

    I think what's happening is people are looking for an excuse / justification / rationalization / whatever --- that a mother could possibly do what she did to her son. Sorry... she's an inhuman monster who didn't give a crap about her son. Simple as that.

    "I sold my son" -- SS


    eta: this isn't directed at you, paintr, but at the professor and others like her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmandaReckonwith View Post
    That was a very eye-opening article with so much background. TY Calliope.

    Here is the case archive album for Ethan:
    http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...Ethan%20Stacy/

    It does contain the good, the bad, the ugly, as all my case albums do.
    Thanks for the album. GREAT JOB.

    But I have to tell you for a woman with bad eyes the background was hard to deal with.
    For me I would have preferred a blank canvas as a background.
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    And when someone breaks our wings,
    we simply continue to fly... on a broomstick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    I hope they do to but...... and this is horrible to think about, but with as much as these two despised Joe along with BeanE's theory on why SS would post photo's of Ethan being abused - (the theory, IIRC, was to sell those photo's) it is possible they won't plead simply because they know how much it would torture Joe. Along with torturing those who loved Ethan and ALL those who must sit through a trial. Not pleading and forcing a trial would be both of their way to say HA HA HA one last time..... Especially since they know they have nothing to lose and getting the DP would ensure they were not allowed into the GP if I understand correctly.

    The thought of it makes me ill..... but I could see these two enjoying watching those attending a trial being horrified. SS and NS already endured it....

    The only way I see them pleading is if NS wishes to spare his mother seeing everything put out on the table at trial.

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    but ill they enjoy the final verdict and their final fate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxson View Post
    I have felt all along that SS was the one in control and NS was just trying to please her. I'm not placing guilt here, but I think that Joe signed Ethan's death warrant (unknowingly!) when he stated in the divorce that he was afraid SS would take Ethan and he would never see him again. I think he let SS know in no uncertain terms that Ethan was his life (not her) and just how to cause him the most pain that she could. Unfortunately she didn't want the care of Ethan so she had to kill him. Nathan's daughter is probably one lucky little girl.
    It all sound way to sick --- she could have left him with Joe and moved on with her life. Taking the child just to kill him is not what my brain can make sense of. Seems that Nathans kids are alive, not dead, but his posts on another site, show his mentality to harm, and kill. So I don't know how to wrap my brain around any of this.
    but I have been shocked before on these threads.
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    When I saw the photos of NS in court he looked totally disturbing, he was probably coming off all the pills and any other drug they might have been doing, he looked extremly angry and I'm betting that he is regretting ever meeting SS. I fully think she controlled that situation. We know that NS had issues and that led to the demise of Ethan but I won't be surprised one bit if we find out that SS had more to do with encouraging the actions of NS. I also do not think that NS would have hurt his own daughter in this way, I think he may have been taking out some of his issues of not having his daughter in the way he wanted on Ethan, JMO.

    I am glad that Joe let SS parents attend the funeral, it shows what a way better person he is than SS and I'm sure that sent her into a complete hissy fit knowing they attended Ethans funeral and I'm glad she has so far had no family in court for her, it must make her feel like crap that NS mother was there for him but no one was there for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crimejunkie View Post
    I am not sure, but that I read on here that you were not allowed to pull something from another site and bring it over here. I hope that it's ok to post a link. If it's not, please let me know.

    In the comments section of the article posted today about Nathan and Stephanie, there was a comment on page 3 by Spookylilgirl, who knew the couple via chat rooms. She had some interesting comments and posted some favorite sayings of Nathan's. If I am allowed to post these, please let me know. Otherwise, here's the link:

    http://www.tribtowns.com/comments/re...71&PageIndex=3
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    Quote Originally Posted by songline View Post
    It all sound way to sick --- she could have left him with Joe and moved on with her life. Taking the child just to kill him is not what my brain can make sense of. Seems that Nathans kids are alive, not dead, but his posts on another site, show his mentality to harm, and kill. So I don't know how to wrap my brain around any of this.
    but I have been shocked before on these threads.
    Like Antoinette Davis handing over little Shaniya to be raped. Unthinkable...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calliope View Post
    Well, I saw a photo of Ethan with his jaw and face so battered, bruised and swollen, he was unable to close his mouth, he had bruising on his neck, ear, forehead and eyes and an apparent ligature mark around the base of his neck. And police tell us the injuries grew progressively worse.

    I've yet to see a single mark on SS.

    So ... I'll go out on a limb and call BS on her being abused.

    I think what's happening is people are looking for an excuse / justification / rationalization / whatever --- that a mother could possibly do what she did to her son. Sorry... she's an inhuman monster who didn't give a crap about her son. Simple as that.

    "I sold my son" -- SS


    eta: this isn't directed at you, paintr, but at the professor and others like her.
    AGREE!!! While certainly the above is true in most cases, I think this is entirely different. This is no textbook abuse case, this is about two evil,sociopathic monsters coming together in the perfect storm, and that poor baby bore the horrible consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crimejunkie View Post
    I am not sure, but that I read on here that you were not allowed to pull something from another site and bring it over here. I hope that it's ok to post a link. If it's not, please let me know.

    In the comments section of the article posted today about Nathan and Stephanie, there was a comment on page 3 by Spookylilgirl, who knew the couple via chat rooms. She had some interesting comments and posted some favorite sayings of Nathan's. If I am allowed to post these, please let me know. Otherwise, here's the link:

    http://www.tribtowns.com/comments/re...71&PageIndex=3
    WOW...her comments about his favorite sayings, now I really do not think he would have ever put his own daughter through this kind of torture or even allowed Stephanie to hurt her. He had no problem killing some other mans child to ensure his f'd up genes dominated this not in touch with reality, sick relationship.
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    I think that this was their way of proving their commitment to each other, not only in what they did --- destroying the connection SS had with her ex, ensuring NS' genes were dominant, whatever sick reasons there may have been --- but in the cover up as well. A pact, as it were.

    And so imagine NS' surprise when the love of his life, his soul mate, betrayed him and threw him under the bus, claiming he'd threatened her, that she was terrified of him, that he was the one who brutally tortured her son while she stood helplessly aside, afraid for her own life.

    I betcha they showed NS a tape of her interview, and that's why he tore up his holding cell.


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