1). Because she could. Because it was a way to hurt Joe. Stephanie getting Ethan for the summer, especially against Joe's greatest fears and wishes- that he made public in a court document- was a 'win' for Stephanie, in Stephanie's mind. It was a big "HA, HA, HA" directed at Joe.
2). Because it was a way for her to get more money. When she thought of Ethan, she thought of dollar signs. I believe she was planning on hitting Joe up for 'child support' (whether official or under the table) during Ethan's summer stay. I believe she was also going to try and get all the government assistance (food stamps, etc., etc.) that she possibly could, and it's much easier to get that state aid if you have a young child.
~ I also believe that when it came time to return Ethan to Joe at the end of Ethan's summer stay, she was going to refuse- unless and until Joe gave her some kind of cash pay-off to return Ethan. In effect, she was planning on making Joe buy back his son. She was going 'to sell' Ethan again.
~ I think there is also a chance that Stephanie had a tiny afterthought reason to take Ethan: to show her 'man', Nathan, what a great 'mommy' she is. Kind of a 'look how great I am, I'm such a good mom and woman' type thing. Like how we are told she presented herself to her former co-workers while she was still married to Joe.
But something went wrong. Something angered her. It was probably something innocuous that set her off- like Ethan referring to Joe's fiancee Becky, or maybe Joe's other ex-wife Michelle, as 'Mommy' in Stephanie's presence. Ethan was only four years old, he was in a new, unfamiliar place and situation with two people he barely knew (who were probably both using drugs, imo), and probably emotionally stressed, which is understandable. For some reason I keep thinking the word 'Mommy' came out of his mouth, and Stephanie was embarrassed in front of Nathan that Ethan didn't mean her.
I wouldn't be surprised if the physical abuse was actually started by Stephanie. She may have slapped Ethan, Ethan would have started crying, and then Nathan, wanting to show his support to, and solidarity with Stephanie, told her to stand back, that he'll "take care of this".
Being the macho guy that Nathan viewed himself as, he took on the roll of 'firm disciplinarian', and took a little 4 year old child into the bedroom, and beat the daylights out of him.
From that point on, the more Ethan cried (and Ethan would have naturally been hysterical after the first beating) the more it would enrage Nathan, and in turn Stephanie.
At some point, they completely stopped seeing Ethan as a child, (if they ever did to begin with), and he simply became their personal little punching bag.
Last edited by smart blonde; 05-31-2010 at 04:41 PM.
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I think the more the abuse escalated (and I feel it escalated very quickly), the more it became a force on it's own. A force of 'Evil'.
They felt empowered. They felt more like a 'team' than ever before. All the hatred they each had built up inside co-mingled, and was taken out on a little boy who had prior to that known nothing but love, affection, and protection from the adults in his life.
Ethan had to have been so frightened, and so confused, and so alone.
I believe that the most brutal of the physical injuries probably came from Nathan, but even if Stephanie did nothing more than stand back and allow it to happen, her indifference proved to be just as brutal.
Last edited by smart blonde; 05-31-2010 at 04:44 PM.
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Some years ago in a high-school law class I was in the courtroom during a fairly notorious murder trial, a woman murdered and brutalized by this man, and witnessed a Perry Mason moment: after some clever cross-examination the defendant admitted to the crime right there, in open court. He said he'd killed the woman more or less without meaning to, and then done terrible things to her body because (dimly remembered quote) "She'd gone and got dead and now I had to ****** pay for it."
It's a self-serving explanation, of course, and I attach no real weight to it, but only a certain kind of person would think it rational, and I expect that SS and maybe NS will fit that bill. Ethan brought it on himself (they'll argue) and once they'd gone a certain distance they were driven by self-regard, anger, resentment. He ruined their perfect two-person world and now he would pay for it. It's evil, horrendous, pathological, but to them at the time, I suspect, reasonable. That's how they could get married, go shopping, etc. The moment(s) of madness carried the day. Ugh.
SS hated Joe, and obviously knew that his son was his world, so by extension she hated Ethan too. IMO, the ONLY reason why she took Ethan for the summer was because she knew Joe didn't want him to be with her. Had Joe insisted she take him, she would have refused. I'm sure of it. But since Joe so adamantly fought to keep him from going --- calling her unstable and unfit --- she took Ethan for the sole purpose of hurting Joe and getting one over on him (HA HA HA). I believe that she viewed him as nothing more than a pawn to use to get even with Joe. She knew Ethan didn't want to be with her, that he didn't love her like he loved his father and he certainly didn't love NS.
I think it was this perceived (and most probably real) rejection of the two of them (how dare he!) that set in motion the brutality that followed. And while Nathan wouldn't have had any reason to expect Ethan to establish an immediate attachment to him (and even as crazy as NS is, I don't think he did), Stephanie would have been livid. Especially when Ethan cried for his Daddy. Or Becky. Or Michelle. Or any of those whom he knew truly cared for him. And she would have taken it out on little Ethan.
Whatever it was that happened that first crossed the line into abuse, they both knew Ethan was old enough to tell his father what happened. And they both understood that would *ruin* their perfect little life they had planned together---and any chances that Stephanie would cash out on Joe's settlement.
So I think you're dead on. They blamed him for *ruining* their lives and they made him pay for it. And I firmly believe they each had a hand in it, they each egged the other on, each feeding on the other's anger and hatred, escalating the brutality to even after he was dead. And I firmly believe they still blame him for what's happening to them now. There's not an ounce of remorse in either of them for what they did to this precious little boy. Their only regret is that they were caught.
When I look at that photo of sweet angel Ethan having to sit on the couch with the monster NS and try to pretend to enjoy playing video games b/c he's scared out of his wits that he's going to get hurt some more ... it is SO disturbing that first I want to cry and next the rage comes that SS not only did not help her child, she took a freaking picture of him instead and POSTED the picture of his horribly swollen and disfigured jaw.
DEATH PENALTY is too good for them.
Take 'em out back, torture 'em and let them die alone and scared while their parents stand by and refuse to help them.
Arghh I have to go do something else and think happy thoughts now. RIP sweet Ethan.
RIP Travis Alexander
Hundreds of teddy bears donated in honor of Ethan Stacy
Hundreds of people remembered Ethan Stacy Saturday by donating teddy bears in his name.
Nearly 1,000 stuffed animals were collected during the Memorial Teddy Bear Drive at the Iceburg Drive Inn at 1792 S. 2000 West in Syracuse.
The toys will be distributed to local law enforcement agencies, including the Utah Highway Patrol and Syracuse Police Department. Officers, deputies and firefighters will keep them in their patrol cars and trucks to have on hand when responding to traumatic situations involving children.
Has there been any announcement as to when NS & SS will be assigned their new lawyers?
A courthouse full of grief and anger
Much like everyone else in the packed courtroom, I went to court to see Nathan and Stephanie Sloop, who face aggravated murder charges in the death of 4-year-old Ethan Stacy.
The homicide charges themselves are chilling and thorough. The aggravating circumstances include child abuse or child sexual abuse; desecration of a body, administration of a lethal substance in a deadly amount. Physical torture. Mutilation showing "actor's depravity of mind." A victim younger than 14.
ETA: This week, the 4th.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...l?s_cid=rss-30Attorneys for the newlywed Sloops said they would be seeking new lawyers for their clients from the list of attorneys who are certified in Utah to handle death penalty cases. A hearing was scheduled for June 4.
Last edited by Calliope; 06-01-2010 at 05:52 AM.
I just noticed this too.
She says she and NS leave for Seattle on July 6th (after the wedding). She had Ethan for the summer (IIRC, he was to return in time to start school). So just where was HE going to be while they were honeymooning ?
Last edited by Calliope; 06-01-2010 at 06:34 AM. Reason: link added
Prosecutors still have plenty of time before they have to officially declare whether they plan to seek the death penalty against the Sloops. Utah law gives them 60 days to make a decision after an official arraignment, which follows a preliminary hearing and is typically well into the legal process.
Other possible penalties — if the couple is convicted — include life without the possibility of parole, or a sentence of 25 years to life.
In a prepared statement, Rawlings said the decision on whether to pursue the death penalty "will come only after we have received all relevant evidence and information; after we have carefully considered statutory, aggravating or mitigating circumstances; after further consultation with the Attorney General's Office (including the appellate division); after we have consulted with (the) Layton (Police Department); and particularly after we have had extensive discussions with Ethan's family."
I suspected this was the case. Joe and his family are now going to hear even more horrifying details of what Ethan endured. May God hold and comfort them.
And may God bless and lead Mr. Rawlings in his pursuit for justice for Ethan. He's leaving no stone unturned and making sure he has an airtight case with no chance of it being reversed on appeal. It's obvious Ethan has the very best working on his behalf.
I've been hearing so much about Shelby's Law, and how it will help bring Ethan justice, yet I wasn't really that familiar with what happened to young Shelby Andrews.
The following article is from October of 2007, and be warned that the specific details, especially on page two, are twisted and heartbreaking.
In Shelby's case, the main antagonist was the female (stepmother) of the convicted couple. I think that is very important to note, as some people may be having a hard time believing that a woman could be the more dominant abuser in a man/woman abusing 'team'.
I was also a bit taken aback by the similarities of Shelby's case and Ethan's case. Aside from the fact that they both happened in Utah, with Troy Rawlings prosecuting both cases, Shelby was "forced to eat human feces", the doorknob were she was being held was also removed, she suffered brain swelling (I'm sure Ethan did, too), the same type of custody issues, much more.
There are two pages to this article, along with a pic of the female 'perp'.
The next time I send up a prayer for our precious Ethan, I will also send a prayer of thanks to Ethan's angel Shelby. She did not die in vain.
Last edited by smart blonde; 06-01-2010 at 11:08 AM. Reason: corrected name
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In an interview, Shelby's mom said that not many can say they know how Joe feels, but they can. And they're glad that this this law is being used to put away Ethan's murderers. And Mr. Rawlings is going to see to it it's done right. I could tell from his comments at the press conference, Shelby's case still weighs heavy on him. He's not going to let these two monsters get away.
Someone posted photos of his gravesite on FB. And they included this one of the view from there. Beautiful country, where a little boy can have so many adventures.
I hate them so much. I cant believe every day I read this thread and always have to snuffle up enough tears to be able to post any replies.
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The photo of Joe's dad hugging him at the funeral is heartbreaking
I have to say, I'm a bit ticked at the press for not covering this as a pool--- by sending in one reporter and one cameraman in to interview Joe and then all sharing the video. Seeing him sitting there at his son's funeral surrounded by mics and cameras makes me ill.