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    Yes, I can just imagine if the LE hadn't went and questioned Joe after all this went down with the Shell Harbor search. I think the main suspects are sitting on the highest bonds right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    I understand what you mean.

    But that still doesn't make any sense to me at least. I have never seen a DA that tries the defense's case for them. And I don't think it would take several interviews if it is true that Joe is not lying about being in the home that night.

    But it happened in Feb. 09 and they were still interviewing him in April 2010. I think LE has a very valid reason for wanting to do that and like I said the timing of LEs visit this time is so telling to me.

    There just has to be more too it imo than simply trying to guess what the defense is going to do in a trial.


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    They interviewed him again in April because he was being accused of murdering HaLeigh.

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    I have trouble thinking any sort of accident or OD happened, and not murder. There should have been no reason to medicate for bedtime, with Tommy hanging around constantly there should have been no pills lying around, and the timeline doesn't really fit into an accident. Unless the theory is correct about a nebulizer being used for illegal drugs then I can see no accident. IMO, either someone premeditated it, snapped, or abducted Haleigh for horrible reasons.


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    I'm sure it hasn't missed many people's attentions that the Croslin's wouldn't have been "hanging around" for several days, and if, as many people believe, Misty didn't actually return to that MH until Monday evening sometime, the Croslin's would have only been there (but I don't believe they were) to make sure Misty was okay. Not to kill a child.


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    Quote Originally Posted by debs View Post
    I'm sure it hasn't missed many people's attentions that the Croslin's wouldn't have been "hanging around" for several days, and if, as many people believe, Misty didn't actually return to that MH until Monday evening sometime, the Croslin's would have only been there (but I don't believe they were) to make sure Misty was okay. Not to kill a child.
    Ok, so we have Timmy being hurt, Hank in the hospital, and Lisa with him. We have Lindsay at class, and Chelsea at her home with Timmy.

    I have always thought Misty had the van that day to go see her dad in the hospital. I think Teresa got her to pick up the kids, and I think that after Teresa lured Misty there, Ronald came home from work, or wherever he was, and that being the first time he saw Misty from the weekend she was out screwing Greg Page, he literally went biserk and HaLeigh died somehow, thats what I think. He had to have been super mad at Misty, and I think the results from his rage after he finally saw her was pretty epic, enough that someone died. And Misty feels responsible because her actions caused Ron to flip out. Thats why Ron downplays Mistys affair to Cobra, imo.


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    Attempting to control the direction of the Investigation

    http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html

    "5-Year-Old Vanishes From Bedroom; Father Says She Was 'Stolen'
    Detective: 'Whoever Has The Child Is Not Supposed To Have The Child'


    POSTED: Tuesday, February 10, 2009
    UPDATED: 5:53 pm EST February 10, 2009

    While deputies and state officers from at least five agencies searched the area and the nearby St. Johns River, Haleigh's grieving father told Channel 4 there is no doubt in his mind that she was abducted and he'll do anything to get her back.

    Ronald Cummings said Haleigh is afraid of the dark and there's no way she would have gone out in the middle of the night by herself.

    'I came home this morning to find that I didn't have a child," Cummings. "Somebody stole my child.' "


    "I came home this morning to find that I didn't have a child," Cummings. "Somebody stole my child."

    How could ANYONE have NO DOUBT IN THEIR MIND about a crime they have not witnessed or been made aware of? What arrogance, what a "tell" this is. Already Ronald Cummings was shutting doors into the investigation ~ or attempting to.

    The quote by Ron I highlighted in green points to what I believe is this man's narcissism and the view that HaLeigh is a possession that was "stolen."

    In no way do I believe what he was saying, only that his choice of words give him away.

    These are some of my opinions and thoughts about the case as it was being released to the media on February 10, 2009, less than 24 hours after the 911 call.
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    This is the statement that R gave about his last day with H(If I am in error, please correct me)...The way he describes her ..sitting on his lap..turning the wheel while turning on the left then the right blinker..gives me reason to think H might have turn the wheel sharply..like kids do..and the car..lurched off course...This act alone..letting a child drive a vehicle..could be a receipe for an accident...This is directly from R himself...describing that day, describing letting H drive..this is the only statement from him..THAT COULD have caused H to be injured/died...I don't know of any other statements from him/Misty/Others...that have described H in a dangerous activity...have you?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by justus4all View Post
    This is the statement that R gave about his last day with H(If I am in error, please correct me)...The way he describes her ..sitting on his lap..turning the wheel while turning on the left then the right blinker..gives me reason to think H might have turn the wheel sharply..like kids do..and the car..lurched off course...This act alone..letting a child drive a vehicle..could be a receipe for an accident...This is directly from R himself...describing that day, describing letting H drive..this is the only statement from him..THAT COULD have caused H to be injured/died...I don't know of any other statements from him/Misty/Others...that have
    I might also add this lines up precisely with the quote on the back of Ron's truck as well..IMO


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    Quote Originally Posted by justus4all View Post
    This is the statement that R gave about his last day with H(If I am in error, please correct me)...The way he describes her ..sitting on his lap..turning the wheel while turning on the left then the right blinker..gives me reason to think H might have turn the wheel sharply..like kids do..and the car..lurched off course...This act alone..letting a child drive a vehicle..could be a receipe for an accident...This is directly from R himself...describing that day, describing letting H drive..this is the only statement from him..THAT COULD have caused H to be injured/died...I don't know of any other statements from him/Misty/Others...that have described H in a dangerous activity...have you?????
    I only discount this retelling because it's sweet......I admit I loved to let my kids help me drive the car from in front of the house down the street, around the corner, and through the alley. It's what A LOT of parents have done. Most have done it at speed with no horrible accidents.

    I don't think this story of Ron having this little time with Haleigh is the same as the last day of Haleigh's life. I think this story is what's put in place by RC because it's as bad as he wants to go toward what happened to his child. There is a dent in his car. We know he knows how to clean a gun. I don't doubt he knows how to clean a car; as a matter of fact, we have HIM telling us how diligent he is in cleaning......he takes the seats OUT of the car to clean it. I can accept Ron driving with his sweet little girl on his lap having a loving time together.

    What I can't get past is that there is a HUGE GAP between Misty leaving for days on end and Haleigh disappearing. There's only one person tying that all together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chablis View Post
    Yes, I can just imagine if the LE hadn't went and questioned Joe after all this went down with the Shell Harbor search. I think the main suspects are sitting on the highest bonds right now.

    jmo
    I've had the feeling, for quite some time, that LE suspects Misty's family. Now, if there is a valid reason for this suspicion, IDK, but they have relentlessly hounded these people. not so much Joe. I remember GMF saying that LE wouldn't take her calls, & I have to wonder why...it seems that they really don't appreciate being bothered by outsiders. I'd think they would take all calls from family members, no matter how frivolous. I get the impression that LE has a really superior attitude towards Misty's family, & that kind of bias is no good in this type of investigation. LE either knows something, we don't, or they've heard a rumor that has clouded their judgement. As for LE being disgusted with Joe for lawyering up? Duhhh...he has been accused of murder. what do they expect-for all of these people to sit around, & take LDTs, every time LE gets a whim? Sorry, but not everyone is as accomodating as Misty. I, personally wish that every single person involved, & each of their family members, had lawyered up the same day that Ronald hired a criminal defense attorney. If this LE suspects Joe, but can't work on him, because he has a lawyer, well, that makes me wonder how they treat people who don't have lawyers. If LE follows the law, they should be able to catch this perp. If they can't, because of lawyers being involved, well, I think they should bring in some outside help. Let the experts have at it...because I'm worried this case will never be solved, & LE is looking at a roundabout justice through these drug busts. & I don't think that's cool. at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by debs View Post
    I only discount this retelling because it's sweet......I admit I loved to let my kids help me drive the car from in front of the house down the street, around the corner, and through the alley. It's what A LOT of parents have done. Most have done it at speed with no horrible accidents.

    I don't think this story of Ron having this little time with Haleigh is the same as the last day of Haleigh's life. I think this story is what's put in place by RC because it's as bad as he wants to go toward what happened to his child. There is a dent in his car. We know he knows how to clean a gun. I don't doubt he knows how to clean a car; as a matter of fact, we have HIM telling us how diligent he is in cleaning......he takes the seats OUT of the car to clean it. I can accept Ron driving with his sweet little girl on his lap having a loving time together.

    What I can't get past is that there is a HUGE GAP between Misty leaving for days on end and Haleigh disappearing. There's only one person tying that all together.
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    Guess I'm just a stick in the mud... didn't let either my kids in the front seat till they were 5ft tall! Prob cause my friend let his son ride with him on the riding lawn mower FUN FUN! till his son jumped off the mower and it almost took off both his son's feet... seemed innocent at the time UNTIL it wasn't.... MOO

    maybe Ron offered the story to explain a skull fracture when and if Haleigh is ever found? Who knows!


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    Quote Originally Posted by gngr~snap View Post
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    Guess I'm just a stick in the mud... didn't let either my kids in the front seat till they were 5ft tall! Prob cause my friend let his son ride with him on the riding lawn mower FUN FUN! till his son jumped off the mower and it almost took off both his son's feet... seemed innocent at the time UNTIL it wasn't.... MOO

    maybe Ron offered the story to explain a skull fracture when and if Haleigh is ever found? Who knows!
    absolutely. I didn't have the sense God gave me then, but I can assure you, Princess PeePee rides in her car seat, and that's where she's at. I just don't think we should assume this story is the story of Haleigh's last day because MILLIONS of parents have done this for the distance Ron had to travel, a virtual straight shot, two turns. One left, one right, no obstructions. It's just what happens in rural communities.

    I think Haleigh's story was told by Ron's neighbor: There's a dent in Ron's car. Why.


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    Quote Originally Posted by debs View Post
    absolutely. I didn't have the sense God gave me then, but I can assure you, Princess PeePee rides in her car seat, and that's where she's at. I just don't think we should assume this story is the story of Haleigh's last day because MILLIONS of parents have done this for the distance Ron had to travel, a virtual straight shot, two turns. One left, one right, no obstructions. It's just what happens in rural communities.

    I think Haleigh's story was told by Ron's neighbor: There's a dent in Ron's car. Why.
    ~BBM
    Yet when parents explain, as you did how it was just a short ride they do not get all defensive like RC did. That's what set off my meter.

    I'm noy perfect by any means! I forgot to buckle my baby's car seat in one day... looked in the reaview mirror and she had turned sideways in the seat and was facing the dirver's side back door window!!! OOOPPS!!!


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    M. CROSLIN: You know, it`s like, you know, what really hurts is, like, we were -- me and him were talking about, we were getting back together and stuff, and like the cops --

    L. CROSLIN: Yes, I know.

    M. CROSLIN: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) everything up.

    L. CROSLIN: Yes. That`s what they were trying to do.

    M. CROSLIN: You know I was staying with -- I stayed at his house. He picked me up every day.
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    What? Someone please help out... This converstation is about Ronald..so who did Misty stay with? and who is the "he" that picked her up every day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaha View Post
    M. CROSLIN: You know, it`s like, you know, what really hurts is, like, we were -- me and him were talking about, we were getting back together and stuff, and like the cops --

    L. CROSLIN: Yes, I know.

    M. CROSLIN: (EXPLETIVE DELETED) everything up.

    L. CROSLIN: Yes. That`s what they were trying to do.

    M. CROSLIN: You know I was staying with -- I stayed at his house. He picked me up every day.
    (END VIDEO CLIP)
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../09/ng.01.html


    What? Someone please help out... This converstation is about Ronald..so who did Misty stay with? and who is the "he" that picked her up every day?
    She's talking about her and Ron getting back together and how the cops messed that all up. She's talking about that with her sister-in-law, Lindsy, who not too many weeks after this, decides to bust butt to an attorney and file divorce papers.


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