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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpectingUnicorns View Post
    I am totally unfamiliar with this reenactment business that seems to be a requirement in Peru. But what a good thought you have, frenchvixen! I wonder if they will make him repeat it until he gets it to match what he has told them. Anyone know how all that works?
    I am seeing the re-enactment much like a defendant allocutes in court here in the US, and if the details do not match the evidence, the prosecution can refuse the plea agreement, or in this case the confession. MOO
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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    For Joran ~ yes, I could actually see him falling asleep on the bed, after the "workout" of killing her. MOO
    Yep, could be why many of us a few days back said "he looked so rested". on his exit tape..

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    Quote Originally Posted by froginTtown View Post
    I think the FBI did exactly what they should have...No one could have predicted Stephanys death...He used that money to gamble, not to go to Peru to kill someone.... JMO
    Its still a mystery though why they weren't there to arrest him immediately once they saw him counting the money.

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    The news is breaking so fast in this case and there are lots of "leaks" going on. I'm sure things will settle down in a while and things should make more sense. At least, I hope so!

    One issue is the time stamp on the video. My head is reeling with all this information, but I'm fairly sure someone said that the time was off by about 15 minutes. Unfortunately, it wasn't said if it was running ahead or behind. LE probably knows this and eventually, we'll get a better timeline together.

    This is not a hard fact, just my memory... which isn't all that sharp right now!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LilJoePinto View Post
    In case it hasn't been already said since I'm quite a number of pages behind on this thread, the FBI's claims of money transfers to Joran's account in Aruba and his removal of those funds doesn't mean he was physically in Aruba at that time. These were no doubt wire transfers that don't require anyone's physical presence and can be accomplished anywhere in the world. He can also check his Aruba account to see if the money landed there (which it apparently did) and removed some or all of it from anywhere in the world.

    I had read the FBI's charges concerning the extortion in .pdf format and don't recall anything that mentioned where Joran was physically when communications and financial transactions occurred, and they really don't need to know that (and if he was smart he'd be in some other country than where his account was that received the extorted financial transfer at the time in occurred).

    Nobody does financial transfers/deposits/withdrawals internationally by physically going to the bank. Joran didn't need to be in Aruba for the money to be accepted into his account there, nor would he have to physically be there to take some or all of it out... and likely he would not have been there to avoid the most obvious way of being caught. He could and probably did all this financial transacting from some other country, and it appears that he may have done it from Columbia, removed part or all of the money once it landed in his account in Aruba while he was physically in Columbia (since he wouldn't need to BE in Aruba to remove it), and hopped a plane from Columbia to Peru to go on his next gambling junket with fresh cash to gamble with that he allegedly extorted... all of which more than likely occurred without him having stepped foot into Aruba.
    Joran WAS in Aruba on May 10, 2010 and collected $10,000.00. The $15,000.00 was wired to a bank account in the Netherlands. Joran went from Aruba, to Columbia to Peru. Joran can access his Netherland's bank account anywhere with a simple debit card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by froginTtown View Post
    I think the FBI did exactly what they should have...No one could have predicted Stephanys death...He used that money to gamble, not to go to Peru to kill someone.... JMO
    I think the FBI should have arrested Joran the moment Beth Holloway's $10,000.00 was placed in Joran's hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchvixen View Post
    This whole extortion thing makes me uncomfortable. Had the FBI not agree to give this boy 25k, he would not have any cash to go to Peru and Stephany would have been alive. Sometimes people have to make peace with certain things. I can't imagine how it feels for your daughter to disappear when she goes on a high school trip but I really think they crossed the ethics line in giving Joran cash especially since they did not even have the jurisdiction to arrest him. There was too much at stake and not enough certainties. They gambled with their money and someone lost their life in the end.
    I do understand what you're saying but at least the law (FBI) was involved in this ~ unlike others who have paid him outright for false information (and broadcasting rights). And what guarantee did any of those others have that he didn't/wasn't going to use their money in the same way? None.

    All things considered, setting up a sting operation and possibly being able to bring your daughter home for burial seems less offensive to me than bargaining for false confessions and tapes of Joran's father (all the while keeping the flood lights aimed).

    There is only one person responsible for these deaths and any gesture to attach guilt to anyone else seems misguided and tends to dilute Joran's responsibility, to my way of thinking. MOO
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    Just a guess.. But, Say the FBI was setting him up for extortion...and everything went as planned, He was aressted for extortion by the Federal Gov. in the U.S.A.. All of us would be high fiveing it..right....Maybe, we would have even found Natalee.....We would have been the heros...The FBI was trying to do just that....To put that monster away....Again, no one could have predicted that he would kill someone totally unrelated to any of this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes View Post
    Its still a mystery though why they weren't there to arrest him immediately once they saw him counting the money.

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    There were 10 FBI agents within the area, and could have easily arrested Joran. Although they say "not enough evidence" however I do not buy that one at all.

    Heck, the bride that tried to hire someone to kill her husband and she was under surveillance, as soon as she paid the money to the undercover cop, she was arrested.

    Another example, Cummings/Croslin arrested while handing pills over to an undercover cop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flow View Post
    I think JVS would confess to the JFK assassination if someone offered him an interview after reading more about Natalee's case.

    Mayday360, huh? No comment.
    I'm not understanding the cynicism regarding Mayday 360 (a global safety company to enhance safe travel - according to their web site) and Beth Holloway's association to it. I must be missing something. Could you please enlighten me? TIA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    There were 10 FBI agents within the area, and could have easily arrested Joran. Although they say "not enough evidence" however I do not buy that one at all.

    Heck, the bride that tried to hire someone to kill her husband and she was under surveillance, as soon as she paid the money to the undercover cop, she was arrested.

    Another example, Cummings/Croslin arrested while handing pills over to an undercover cop.
    The FBI has no jurisdiction to arrest someone that is not on American soil, that has not been indicted, and would not have been indicted on a crime that requires extradition


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patty G View Post
    There were 10 FBI agents within the area, and could have easily arrested Joran. Although they say "not enough evidence" however I do not buy that one at all.

    Heck, the bride that tried to hire someone to kill her husband and she was under surveillance, as soon as she paid the money to the undercover cop, she was arrested.

    Another example, Cummings/Croslin arrested while handing pills over to an undercover cop.
    The only (and direct) hinderance was that JVDS was in a foreign country. The hit-man wife and the Cummings were all on American soil.

    When the feds are working overseas they have to deal with the local authorities and I do believe that the Aruban authorities were given them a real hard time about doing anything!

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    The person that is being extorted seeks the help of the FBI for advise on how to handle the situation. The FBI may advise the individual that it may be to the individuals best interest not to give in to the demands of money for information. Then again, the FBI may say "we will assist you" with the demands, however, we can't decide for you what you want to do.
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    with all due respect Patty...I really wish the FBI was in on the raid of Misty and Ron... in fact I wish they were involved today....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpectingUnicorns View Post
    I do understand what you're saying but at least the law (FBI) was involved in this ~ unlike others who have paid him outright for false information (and broadcasting rights). And what guarantee did any of those others have that he didn't/wasn't going to use their money in the same way? None.

    All things considered, setting up a sting operation and possibly being able to bring your daughter home for burial seems less offensive to me than bargaining for false confessions and tapes of Joran's father (all the while keeping the flood lights aimed).

    There is only one person responsible for these deaths and any gesture to attach guilt to anyone else seems misguided and tends to dilute Joran's responsibility, to my way of thinking. MOO
    I absolutely agree with you. No one is responsible for what happened but Joran. Thinking that if he didn't have the money he wouldn't have gone there and then Stephany would be alive is counterproductive and as you stated "misguided"; and possibly not even true. If he wanted to get there he would have found a way.


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