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    Forensic Astrology - JORAN Van der SLOOT




    The location of the Sun and Mars, in the midpoint of the “Worse degree of the zodiac” tells the tale along with Pluto and all the squares it makes both to the Sun and Venus, that Joran is a person who should never again see the sunshine outside of a prison for life.

    Pluto is all about control and manipulation when the Sun and Mars is debilitated to this extent as we see in his chart
    I know a woman with a similar chart, who lies, steals and does just about anything to get her own way, and I think Joran is of the same caliber as she, but at least she isn't a male with a date rape drug on the loose with her Venus tied to this midpoint.

    She simply gets what she wants in other sinister ways.

    But Joran is a person not unlike the woman I am aware of in my extended family who will do anything at all to get what he wants on demand (Leo) and not have to respectfully or patiently wait an extra minute longer either.
    Controlling and contriving to do whatever it takes is the signature here with Sun/Mars in affliction along with all those Pluto squares. The fact that unlike the woman, Joran has Venus conjunct this afflicted Sun makes women the object of his need and desire to control them. Obviously he has no respect for womenhood and I wish I could see his time of birth to see why perhaps even moreso.

    Often the position of the Sun/Mars with the other afflictions here, will reflect one who has no conscience, so I suppose we’d call him a sociopathic personality.

    His recently deceased father was a lawyer/trying to become a judge, a person who demanded respect (Leo) Sun and the mother, a bit on the ditzy side, most probably a Sagittarius signature or a mutable chart.

    We’d need his time of birth of course, to see the mother more fully, or at all to tell the truth of the matter.

    Transiting Uranus/Jupiter (the law comes to bear on him) conjuncts his Natal
    North Node (the purpose of the life) in Aries, (to lord it over others was not the purpose, but he took the path of least resistance) in order to overcome his more acquiesant past (the South Node in Libra) he then went “overboard with control and self assertion (Aries) & Jupiter’s abililty for generosity and compassion turns ugly
    With self-importance (Leo / Aries) in the worse possible way!

    His Jupiter did him no favors at the Anaretic 29th degree Aries, very militant
    And ruthlessly angry.
    As for the payment on demand (the Extortion money?) Well the women I mentioned with a similar chart, did not extort that I’m aware of, but she did steal about $200,000.00 from her mother & father’s estate.
    I’d say it’s about being “nervy” because in Leo, well…….there is no one
    else when the degree and the rest of the chart (NN Aries for instance) concurs. Nerve doesn’t even touch it, “chutzpah?”

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah[/ame]

    caveat:
    Not everyone of course with a 13-17 Leo as their Sun would fit this specialized chart. This is a midpoint along with many factors that this soul is vibrating to, and of course, there is always our Free Will to change it.

    Joran's however, is what I'd call a pile-up of harsh vibes.
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-07-2010 at 03:48 PM. Reason: add natal Sunrise chart current transits
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    Joran van der Sloot - Andrew Luster comparison

    I thought his crimes to be remarkably like Andrew Luster, the Max Factor heir, so in checking Lusters natal (no time of birth given) I find the following for comparison sake:

    For Luster, he has a Stellium that pretty much runs into two signs tropically
    For his personal planets. Like Joran, he must be in control as Pluto squares both his Sun and Moon and date rapes as Pluto conjoins his Uranus (erratic nature)
    Uranus also quincunx to Jupiter (overboard erraticness) and squares Moon, with his less then self-disciplined Saturn , while exalted in Aquarius, is also mitigated negatively by it’s square to Neptune. (colors his visions into Dreams of date rapes with the Neptune holding Saturn hostage)

    With Uranus 10 Virgo conj. Pluto, I’d say the people of California were lucky they got him before he too killed someone with his fun and games.

    I don't think he's getting out of prison in our lifetime:

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Luster[/ame]
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    Absolutely amazing and spot on!
    just trying to make sense out of all of this

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    Joran Ven der Sloot

    Full Moon for May, 2010. May 27, 23:07
    iF STEPHANIE DIED in the early morning of May 30.................
    the full moon was still in effect.

    Natalee died or disappeared on May 30, 2005
    May: 23: 20:20: Mon: 2005 was the full moon
    a week earlier
    does this effect JVS mind???
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    Justice for Hailey!!!!
    No Justice for Caylee Marie..........

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    Joran van der Sloot

    Quote Originally Posted by passionflower View Post
    Full Moon for May, 2010. May 27, 23:07
    iF STEPHANIE DIED in the early morning of May 30.................
    the full moon was still in effect.

    Natalee died or disappeared on May 30, 2005
    May: 23: 20:20: Mon: 2005 was the full moon
    a week earlier
    does this effect JVS mind???
    This may be a coincidence, but I found some interesting corralation between the Tertiary Progressions in 2005 and 2010 :

    [in 2010:

    His Tertiary Progressed Moon 27°Sag conj. (N) Moon (Sunrise cht.)
    His Tertiary Progressed Uranus 5Capricorn conjunct (N) Neptune at 5Cap.

    I thought the Uranus & Neptune exact degree was interesting actually.
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    Joran van der Sloot-UNCONFIRMED/hearsay Time of Birth

    This appears to be Joran's exact birth time, if this has been posted, please delete.


    Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (born August 6, 1987 at 10:38 PM in Arnhem, Netherlands

    ETA....I posted it at the beginning and at the end both...don't know how that happened
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    Joran van der Sloot-UNCONFIRMED/hearsay Time of Birth Chart

    Ref: This appears to be Joran's exact birth time, if this has been posted, please delete.


    Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (born August 6, 1987 at 10:38 PM in Arnhem, Netherlands

    ETA....I posted it at the beginning and at the end both...don't know how that happened
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    Thanks for these important details. The chart will be updated with the correct houses now.
    Probably to appear later in the day.

    leomoon
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-07-2010 at 03:50 PM. Reason: heading clarification
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    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Joran van der Sloot-UNCONFIRMED/hearsay Time of Birth Chart

    Natal with his True TOB, reveals quite a bit here:

    STEPHANIE’S MURDER:

    We can see with Stephanie’s murder, the Vertex would have been triggered for him
    At about this age of 23 …..using the Tad Mann approach.
    The Vertex is always about a fated person or event coming into the life, and in this
    Case it was Stephanie as we now know.

    Therefore, I would suggest that Saturn in this case, triggered the event as it approached his natal Vertex and the Vertex is both opposite his Aries Ruled ASC, (Mars rules Aries)
    And Square to his MC at 0 Capricorn. (he stole her money or winnings of $15,000. is missing) they have reported.
    Remember too, the Capricorn MC here, is explaining perhaps, because of the critical 0 degree and the materially involved sign of Capricorn when afflicted in such as way, the
    Extortion money in Alabama wired to his account in the Netherlands may be explained here as well in his natal.
    Greed and materialty, to the “max” would be the inclinations

    With his Black Moon, Mercury (both near the Anaretic degree of Cancer) his “own self” being the mirror of importance, the meglomania of the Sun conjunct “Dubhe”and all this is in the 5th house of Gambling and sexual encounters, what else might we have expected really?

    In Joanne Wickenburg’s Serial Killer study,
    and gathering statistics a few years back , she found that
    Capricorn is one of the higher counted Moon positions, for Killers and Neptune Rx is almost always prevelant.
    These are two things I recall from this study:

    Serial Killers Statistics

    http://www.astrologyresearchjournal....02_1/index.htm

    http://www.astrologyresearchjournal....1704/index.htm

    Joanne Wickenburg:’
    59% of the serial murderers had Neptune retrograde.
    http://www.joannewickenburg.com/id45_serial_killers.htm

    http://www.isarastrology.com/index.p...serial-murders
    Last edited by FifthEssence; 06-07-2010 at 03:50 PM.
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    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Joran van der Sloot-UNCONFIRMED/hearsay Time of Birth Chart

    THE NATAL CHART:

    Sun conjunct “Dubhe” known for notorious actions, greed, self-love above all, great selfishness, as well murder in some more rare instances of self-gratification .

    This timed birthchart is extremely critical, and even if was a complete unknown, there is no way that a Cardinal 0 degree Ascendent and Mc in this case, Aries Rising 0 degrees
    Is not beyond critical for true disaster in one’s life if the other planets are in line this aids
    This disaster then that looms.
    Having the Sun so critical, the Angles equally so in the Cardinal signs, all 0 degree
    The Vertex conjunct the D/C cusp exactly at the 0 degree as well; the Nodes where they are located, The Moon critical at 7 Capricorn, sort of shark like,
    The only true water planet that could be suggestive of empathy and compassion, in this case, Cancer is in the critical 29th or last degree of the sign. Anaretic is not capable of supplying this to this man.

    And so with overwhelmingly, and predominately Fire planets and only one chance of empathy, he blows it big time in this life.

    Within only minutes of each other, Pluto conjunct his Part of Fortune, both in the same degree of Scorpio, and in the house of the other – suggests he was one who was enamoured of the macabre or one who thought often of life and death. This connnection here spelled death for a few beautiful young women.

    All those Pluto squares to the personal planets and the oppositon to Jupiter, he was
    The power in the storm of self-righteousness and control or so thought he might be.

    What more can we say, it’s a really strenously afflicted chart with all the potential for shark like inclinations and he took that path.


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    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Joran van der Sloot-UNCONFIRMED/hearsay Time of Birth

    Quote Originally Posted by Leomoon80 View Post
    Sooner Fan:

    Thanks for these important details. The chart will be updated with the correct houses now.
    Probably to appear later in the day.

    leomoon
    You are welcome. Also, if you are interested, here is my source of the info:

    http://bignews.biz/?id=880612&pg=1&k...ot-astrologers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooner Fan View Post
    You are welcome. Also, if you are interested, here is my source of the info:

    http://bignews.biz/?id=880612&pg=1&k...ot-astrologers
    I went to the link provided and searched for the source for the data but could not find it. I went to the astrologer's site and searched also but again he does not provide his source for the data.

    Using the Rodden Rating System this would have to be classified as DD (Dirty Data) unless a certified birth document can be provided. If this was a rectified time, that information should be provided by the astrologer.

    Bob

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    Joran Van der Sloot- questionable time of birth

    Quote Originally Posted by unique_astrology View Post
    I went to the link provided and searched for the source for the data but could not find it. I went to the astrologer's site and searched also but again he does not provide his source for the data.

    Using the Rodden Rating System this would have to be classified as DD (Dirty Data) unless a certified birth document can be provided. If this was a rectified time, that information should be provided by the astrologer.

    Bob

    Thanks Bob for pointing that out. I will go back and adjust the post headings to read "UNCONFIRMED/hearsay Time of Birth Chart".

    He looks like a selfish, disrespectful perp-particularly to females, an insensitive creature any way you slice it -see Sunrise chart.
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    Joran's Unconfirmed Birth Chart may be Rectified

    Quote Originally Posted by unique_astrology View Post
    I went to the link provided and searched for the source for the data but could not find it. I went to the astrologer's site and searched also but again he does not provide his source for the data.

    Using the Rodden Rating System this would have to be classified as DD (Dirty Data) unless a certified birth document can be provided. If this was a rectified time, that information should be provided by the astrologer.

    Bob
    Good point you raise.

    I looked too of course, but saw only that he was a Vedic Astrologer with a Vedic (Sidereal take) on the chart too.
    It's a great read actually, as I'm trying to learn more Vedic myself over the years.
    And "per chance" it makes a great synastry with a Tropical variation of the natal chart for using this time of birth with what we've seen, learned and over time, find out about Joran and his shennanigans.

    I do think it fits quite well, as Rectifications go, if indeed it was a Rectified chart only as this astrologer being Vedic would not have checked the location of the Tropical positions or angles to know how very critical they are as we use in Tropical Astrology.

    Very good for what we know about him and would make a lot of sense too and therefore gave an air of respectablity to the birthtime even though it isn't verified yet to see the 0 degree Cardinal Angles on the AC DC IC MC


    However, I do agree, that we need verification.
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    They controlled the metaphorical thread of life of every mortal from birth to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by unique_astrology View Post
    I went to the link provided and searched for the source for the data but could not find it. I went to the astrologer's site and searched also but again he does not provide his source for the data.

    Using the Rodden Rating System this would have to be classified as DD (Dirty Data) unless a certified birth document can be provided. If this was a rectified time, that information should be provided by the astrologer.

    Bob
    Oh goodness! have I given misinformation? The date of birth was the same as we had posted here and I assumed it was correct. I will go back and check again, but the thread I got it from was the main W/S Van der Sloot thread.

    ETA I came back on here to see if there was any indication that there may be other unfortunate women, possibly, that we don't know about yet. *sigh*
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    Joran van der Sloot confesses to murdering Peruvian Stephany Flores over Holloway information

    http://wireupdate.com/wires/6156/jor...y-information/

    Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of missing teenager Natalee Holloway, on Monday confessed to murdering a Peruvian woman, police confirmed.

    According to police, Van der Sloot killed 21-year-old Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez between 8.10 a.m. local time and 8.56 a.m., because she saw 'something' about Natalee Holloway on his laptop.
    "I did not want to do it," Van der Sloot, 22, said in his confession to police. He said that, at 8.10 a.m., he went for a coffee at a gas station near the hotel. When he returned to the room, he saw Flores using his laptop. "The girl saw private things. She had no right. I approached her and she was scared," he continued. "We discussed it and she tried to escape, and I took her neck and hit her."

    The body of Flores was found at the Tac Hotel in Lima, the capital of Peru, last Wednesday. She had gone missing after she left a local casino with Van der Sloot. Video footage released by police showed the pair entering the hotel at around 5.30 a.m.


    Anyway to tell if he is telling the truth based on the time references given above?

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