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    OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #15

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    Originally Posted by JBean
    Reminder we are a victim friendly forum.
    At this point the entire family would be considered victims.
    Please don't play word games with me.
    When we say victim friendly we mean all those that are immediately victimized by what appears to be a terrible crime. This includes the family that is missing a 7 year old child for the love of God.
    You are free to discuss your opinions on statements made, possible doubts you may have or questions raised by the information or lack thereof. But if you start throwing around careless accusations against the family or sleuthing out their personal information or discussing the color of lipstick someone was wearing, you will be given a no expense paid vacation.
    If the situation changes and if the investigation by LE points back to the family then these rules will change. We roll with the news and as more information is revealed and as LE gives us information, we adjust. As I have said, imagine this is your child and people are looking at YOU. Moreover, stereotyping some of these players is positively embarrassing to the forum. KNOCK IT OFF!



    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106601"]OR OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #12 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106375"]OR Kyron Horman - Portland, Oregon MEDIA AND IMAGES LINKS - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


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    For those interested here is the kind of information that can be gleaned from cell ping records. This is from another case and I just picked a random one so hopefully it is a good example LOL.

    [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73218"]Ping Map for June 16, 2008 - Discuss that day only. - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    To the poster who said there is a little boy in LA who looks just like Kyron, I would call the tip line. It may not be him, but it sure beats driving around stalking him! =) Let the po-po handle it. You won't get in trouble for being wrong.

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    I didn't see if anyone answered a question about pings but see my answer for a general explanation about cell phones, pings, and cell towers.

    Quote Originally Posted by joshiesmom View Post
    This may be a dumb question, but I'm hoping someone will explain and help me to understand: does a 'cell ping' show where a cell phone is located at a certain day/time? I mean, if I go to the store and have my cell phone in my pocket, would a 'cell ping' show authorities that I was at the store? Or does a person have to use their cell phone in order to create a record of sorts that authorities could then track?

    I'm trying to understand what cell pings are so that I can understand how they could potentially be used in criminal cases. All I can think is that if a ping tracks when you're on the phone, you'd have to be a moron to make a call in the middle of committing a crime; therefore, I am sure I'm totally wrong and thus need someone to educate me!
    A phone is constantly pinging as long as the battery is in. It still pings if the phone is off and it doesn't matter if you are on the phone or not. It's kind of like a cell phones footprint. However, a ping does not give an exact location like GPS does, all it really says is "at this moment in time, this specific cell phone was in the area of cell tower A" which would be the tower the cell phone would use if it were used to call someone. If the cell tower has a reception radius (I guess that's what it would be called?) of two miles, then any cell phone within two miles would default to that tower. Hope that makes sense.
    Last edited by Claudette; 06-14-2010 at 09:32 PM. Reason: Added more info

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    Kyron's scanner thread: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106623"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

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    Billylee, in general, LE doesn't want the public (including witnesses, parents, etc.) to know who saw Kyron, where they saw Kyron, or when they saw Kyron. If the information was known, it may have the unintended effect of coloring someone's perception or recollection. This is why they are telling the parents, etc. not to talk about it.

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    Apparently, LE cannot generate search warrants until they admit/acknowledge a crime has been committed. So maybe this is partly why they are now calling this a criminal investigation. At least this is what I have read about other cases involving missing persons.

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    I've been looking at the FB page for Sauvie Island. Some of the comments are interesting.

    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...03729412998746

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    Kimster wrote:

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    I think it's an unfortunate coincidence, being so close.
    Unless you want a tin foil hat theory? Phipps was paid to go grab another little boy kid for Kyron's perp. And failed. (nope, don't like it all myself)
    Yeah, the only part is the lack of transportation. But how much do they know about this guy? Was he able to borrow a car from a family member?


    FWIW, his original offenses (quite old IIRC) were in Lane County, down valley. And think about it, if you had a choice about where in the area to be homeless, would it BE on the outskirts of St Helens? Why IS he living out there, away from services and transpo? I'm sure the FBI has had a word with him. Or two.
    Phipps has been charged in St Helens for failing to register. And yet, he hangs around there. Weird.

    PDXMom just posted this before the other thread was closed, and I want to thank her for going to look up the link. Every time you guys post about women & bodies in the river, this crosses my mind.

    There is recent precedent right here in Portland with the Stott-Smith case:
    http://www.katu.com/news/local/94630704.html

    Unfreaking believable.

    Thanks for the legwork, PDXMom.

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    Tuesday, the last school bell will ring and summer vacation will be underway. Monday, the field was filled with students celebrating the end of the year, except for one Skyline Elementary second grader, who was not able to join in the fun.


    http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/ne...jy3W5FG4Q.cspx
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    "Multnomah County Sheriff’s Capt. Jason Gates told reporters in Portland Wednesday that local detectives were talking with St. Helens police about the abduction attempt. Gates did not say, however, if there was a connection between the alleged attempted abduction and the June 4 disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman from Skyline School in rural Northwest Portland." <snipped>

    Did Capt. Gates ever clear him? Not that I've seen!

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...10500902704700

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    Personally, I don't need to know who the last person who saw Kyron was at 9am, whether a student, teacher, etc...

    I would like it if LE would repeat once more, now that it has gone criminal, what they said initially, that someone saw him after his step mom, instead of using "no comment" for everything, but that is just my personal preference, and LE is not in the business of appeasing me

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    Apparently, LE cannot generate search warrants until they admit/acknowledge a crime has been committed. So maybe this is partly why they are now calling this a criminal investigation. At least this is what I have read about other cases involving missing persons.
    A judge has the power to sign a search warrant if there is cause to believe that a crime may have been committed. Many times that's the only way to obtain evidence that a crime HAS been commited.

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    This is a lot of info about LE and cell phones. It is from new.LawReader.com
    It is from Feb 2010


    Government Can Track Your Movements by Monitering Your Cell Phone

    Feds push for tracking cell phones

    by Declan McCullagh

    Two years ago, when the FBI was stymied by a band of armed robbers known as the “Scarecrow Bandits” that had robbed more than 20 Texas banks, it came up with a novel method of locating the thieves.

    FBI agents obtained logs from mobile phone companies corresponding to what their cellular towers had recorded at the time of a dozen different bank robberies in the Dallas area. The voluminous records showed that two phones had made calls around the time of all 12 heists, and that those phones belonged to men named Tony Hewitt and Corey Duffey. A jury eventually convicted the duo of multiple bank robbery and weapons charges.
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    "The district attorney's office is expected to disclose Phipps' criminal history on Thursday, June 10. " <snipped>

    I can't find this information released online yet either! I'll keep snooping.

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...10500902704700

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