2010.06.15 JVM - Alleged Rug Fibers from Trunk of George's Car

"Snip" http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/15/ijvm.01.html

Part of JVM transcript from June 15th show.

It has been two years of pure hell for George and Cindy Anthony. Two years since the day they last saw their baby granddaughter Caylee alive. Adding to their despair, the fact that their own daughter could face the death penalty for allegedly murdering Caylee if she`s convicted.

Now Cindy has raised eyebrows with a shocking claim about her bone-chilling 911 call. I`m sure you remember this. Cindy called cops a month after Caylee`s disappearance and she said, quote, "It smells like there`s been a body in the damn car", end quote.




VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes and remember these people have be co-signing Casey Anthony`s lies for years and they have been co-dependent on their daughter and they basically put up with anything. And, you know, it`s quite possible, probably -- I would say in my personal opinion that she`s lying again. And that she`s just throwing her family under the bus.



WHEELER: Right. Well, yes, they can do that. She`s obviously entitled to legal representation. But Jane, let me just go back just a quick second here. Regardless of what the parents said on "Good Morning America" --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here is my big issue. Were Cindy and George in complete denial?

Got to go back to you, Rod Wheeler former D.C. homicide detective. It doesn`t seem to be the way law enforcement works that if you lie to them about having a job they`re going to charge you with murder.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: <NOTE, THIS IS A TYPO, THIS IS WHAT WHEELER SAID NOT JVM) Yes, you know, it`s unfortunate that Cindy feels that way. But I can understand that, her being the mother. But look at the facts. And that`s what I was going to say before the break. When you look at the affidavit in support of the arrest warrant which I have a copy of and you look at all the facts the cops have laid out -- and I`m talking direct evidence, not circumstantial. There is some circumstances as well. But there`s pages, Jane, and pages of direct evidence including the fact that the rug that the baby was wrapped in when she was found in the park, they actually have fibers from that same rug that was found in the truck of the vehicle that belonged to George.
Now, how they explained that, I don`t know. But let me tell you what, that`s direct evidence.

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MADJGNLAW said:

:waitasec: I would assume he is speaking of the affidavit of Casey Murder indictment from Oct 2008 when George testified? Did we ever get to read the full indictment?
And can the State hold back information until the trial and maybe that is why I have not read about these fibers that were found? Or maybe I just missed this..

WHEELER SAID: When you look at the affidavit in support of the arrest warrant which I have a copy of and you look at all the facts the cops have laid out -- and I`m talking direct evidence, not circumstantial.

There is some circumstances as well. But there`s pages and pages of direct evidence including the fact that the rug that the baby was wrapped in when she was found in the park, they actually have fibers from that same rug that was found in the truck of the vehicle that belonged to George.
Now, how they explained that, I don`t know. But let me tell you what, that`s direct evidence.

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wenwe4 said:

Strange wording as Caylee was not found wrapped in a rug and she was not found in a park. Fibers from GA's "truck" (did he have a truck?) Either the "fibers" match the WTP blanket as suggested above . . . or maybe there are black wool fibers in GA's rig. I was wondering about one of those sheepskin seatbelt covers to protect the driver from seatbelt chafing on the neck or shoulder area . . . could someone in the A family have a black one of those that could explain the black wool fibers found on the duct tape from little Caylee's face.

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SWEETSPYRIT said:

I watched (thanks to DVR's) JVM and heard the same!!! I have been going back thru and perhaps "the rug" is part of info that has yet to be released? I am convinced and sure that the State has lots more evidence that has not been released. OT - I still think that the A's will be charged, but, not until after KC's trial is over. If charged now they will more than "lawyer up" and that will be the end of that. JMHO

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JDzWife said:

BBM There is a picture of Caylee sitting in her carseat with black straps to hold her in. Could this be where the black fibers came from?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/caylee anthony/Karabrown26/CayleeAnthony2.jpg?o=225

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AZlawyer said:

I think the guy on the show just has no idea what he's talking about. Also, I have never understood this theory that the state has incriminating forensic evidence it is "holding back." Leaving aside the question of whether there would be any legal excuse for doing so without a court order (and there isn't any), what would be the strategic purpose? The only result would be that the state would not be able to use the evidence at trial because they failed to disclose it.

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wenwe4 said:

I have been wondering this for quite some time. If the State must disclose all info, is there a time limit on when all of the discovery must be turned over to the defense (and the public)? I know there are things not released to the public or media (ie: pics of Caylee's skull w/duct tape attached, autopsy photos, etc). What are the limits on what must be released to the public and what can be held back - like the things listed above?

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Cayleefan said:

I don't recall a rug being found with the remains either. And she also wasn't found in a park.:waitasec: I wish people would get their facts straight before they go live on national television.

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AZlawyer said:

There are time limits for disclosure to the defense. I believe there is an order in this case setting out the "really really final" dates for disclosure, but in the meantime disclosures are supposed to be made on an ongoing basis.

There is no requirement for automatic disclosure to the public. Someone must make a request. However, it appears in this case that certain media outlets have made an ongoing request for copies of all documents relating to the case. There is some possibility that the media requests are not as broad as we would like, but I have no idea how we would go about finding copies of those requests.

If something is being held back, we would know about it. There was a hearing about autopsy photos, and Judge S ruled they could not be released to the public, pursuant to a Florida law that specifically relates to photos of a deceased person. The same ruling explains why we get black boxes in the discovery instead of pictures of Caylee's hair--because the hair was part of a deceased person. There was also a hearing about the video of Casey learning of the discovery of Caylee's body. So we know about the video, and we know why it was withheld from the public. There were also court filings when the SA held back the jail letters for a period of time. The court filings didn't say exactly what was being held back, but we knew SOMETHING was being held back, and why, and how long it would be before it was released.

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As I remember LE took what I call a throw rug from a doorway.It wasnt black,I think it was a shade of green and white.I'm trying to find it, its in doc drop,but I know its not black.Someone has their wires crossed.

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Patty G said:

He just doesn't know the facts at all.

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AZlawyer said:

I think the guy on the show just has no idea what he's talking about.

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