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    OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - #17

    Please continue here.
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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106375"]Kyron Horman - MEDIA AND IMAGES LINKS[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106417"]Forensic Astrology - Kyron Horman disappears 6/4/10 Portland OR - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

    Originally Posted by JBean
    Reminder we are a victim friendly forum. At this point the entire family would be considered victims. Please don't play word games with me.
    When we say victim friendly we mean all those that are immediately victimized by what appears to be a terrible crime. This includes the family that is missing a 7 year old child for the love of God.
    You are free to discuss your opinions on statements made, possible doubts you may have or questions raised by the information or lack thereof.
    But if you start throwing around careless accusations against the family or sleuthing out their personal information or discussing the color of lipstick someone was wearing, you will be given a no expense paid vacation.
    If the situation changes and if the investigation by LE points back to the family then these rules will change. We roll with the news and as more information is revealed and as LE gives us information, we adjust.
    As I have said, imagine this is your child and people are looking at YOU.
    Moreover, stereotyping some of these players is positively embarrassing to the forum. KNOCK IT OFF

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    Carried over from thread # 11 - Originally posted by JBean
    All we are asking on this forum is for care and respect to be shown before throwing a family under a bus.A family that has a missing 7 year old.
    We are not asking you to ignore behavior, statements to the press or anything else the family says or does. Feel free to discuss what you see and think. Link facts and stop rumors, that's what we like to do.
    If you feel censored here then please post at a forum where they do not moderate and you can say anything you like. We do moderate and some people like it and some people don't. We know we cannot please everyone and so we do not try. We stay true to what we think is right and for now not accusing the family is in line with LE and that is the tact we will take. You can be suspicious of whomever you choose, just be cautious in your posting. As always it is not ok to sleuth family members on this board until they have been named as a POI or a suspect or LE leads us to believe they are being considered actively.
    As always, if this changes we will roll with it and we will adjust. But to lay out a families personal affairs when they are not even on the radar at this time is just wrong. There will be plenty of time to investigate if things change and often they do.

    Many of you continue to make comments ( direct and indirect) about your disapproval of our guidelines. It disrupts the flow of the thread and we are all growing weary of it.
    I am asking, again, to please stop.
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    I don't know how to carry over a post. I replied to a post from debs in the last thread.

    Post here:[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5297869&postcount=1013"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16[/ame]


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    Multnomah Co. Sheriff's Office has two pages for Kyron:

    1) http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276

    2) http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm


    Kyron's Media thread has all the press conference videos and much much more! If you're looking to find a video or article or some specific case information, this is the place to start!

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106375"]OR Kyron Horman - Portland, Oregon MEDIA AND IMAGES LINKS - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]



    Interceder is a great website to quickly see if there are any new news reports about Kyron:

    http://interceder.net/i/kyron-horman



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    Is the Stepmother of Kyron Horman Being Unfairly Targeted?

    Little by little, some clarification is emerging to the public about the investigation of the missing 7 year old Oregonian, Kyron Horman. The police may have their reasons, but they are withholding as much information about the case as they possibly can withhold.

    Professionals such as Clint VanZandt, a criminal profiler and former FBI agent, find this "tight-lipped` approach to be counterproductive to any forward progress in the case. Cooperation between the police and family, and there interaction with the media, can go a long way in solving a case. The classic case of Elizabeth Smart was cited by VanZandt, as proof of this

    http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010...y-targeted.php
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    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5297869&postcount=1014"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16[/ame]

    Responding to Elle's post from here:

    My understanding of the vague statement that one parent was asked to go to the house doesn't imply knowledge (to us) of where the parents were at the time the request was made, other than to say that neither was at the house. Kaine in all possibility could have been at work, coming home from work, headed to the school from work, etc etc.


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    May I please bring this over?

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    According to the video linked just a few posts up, the truck was towed for "mechanical problems" and the reporter quoted the sheriff's office, who told her that the truck was towed at the family's request. I assume that qualifies as a "WHY"



    Thank you.Do we know what mechanical problems?Who usually drove the white truck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Suzanne View Post
    May I please bring this over?

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    Originally Posted by debs
    According to the video linked just a few posts up, the truck was towed for "mechanical problems" and the reporter quoted the sheriff's office, who told her that the truck was towed at the family's request. I assume that qualifies as a "WHY"



    Thank you.Do we know what mechanical problems?Who usually drove the white truck?
    I don't believe we've been given that information.


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    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

    Responding to Elle's post from here:

    My understanding of the vague statement that one parent was asked to go to the house doesn't imply knowledge (to us) of where the parents were at the time the request was made, other than to say that neither was at the house. Kaine in all possibility could have been at work, coming home from work, headed to the school from work, etc etc.
    Well I was just looking for the transcript of the scanner chatter we looked so hard for last night, and now I can't find it. I'll do some more hunting and link it in in a few. (Please note we can't post the transcript in this thread, we can only link to it.)

    Anyway, the scanner chatter does make it appear to me that the stepmom and biodad were at the school, and LE asked for one of them to go back to the house.


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    Quote Originally Posted by debs View Post
    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - OR OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #16

    Responding to Elle's post from here:

    My understanding of the vague statement that one parent was asked to go to the house doesn't imply knowledge (to us) of where the parents were at the time the request was made, other than to say that neither was at the house. Kaine in all possibility could have been at work, coming home from work, headed to the school from work, etc etc.
    Exactly debs, all the more troubling to me why the SM would leave the home where Kyron quite possibly could return to if he wandered away from the school alone earlier in the day. Honestly, someone else could have been at the home waiting for Kyron, but why would LE instruct one of the parents to return there in case Kyron showed up?

    I don't know, just one thing to think about while waiting for some news. JMO


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    Bringing this post over from last thread. Some very good points, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrainneDhu
    Quote Originally Posted by PortlandMama
    I feel may be one of the few taking LE at their word. I do not think they have any leads that have panned out and are, as they claim, systematically following protocol. Tanner's statements regarding small groups and reassembling at the classroom rang true for me (I am a room parent at a different school), so I have added them to the very few facts confirmed by LE in order to develop my theory. (I think the "sub" in question was most likely a parent volunteer, perhaps not a parent normally associated with that classroom.) So I am leaning toward an opportunistic abduction, at this point. Not necessarily a complete stranger, but very possibly.
    Your entire post was very informative and thought provoking for me. It also shook loose another possibility in my mind.

    It is known that some predatory pedophiles make an effort to look for single mothers to date. They're not really interested in the mother except as a means of getting close to her children.

    I started thinking... what if Kyron were abducted by someone dating a single mother from that school?

    Even if she hadn't reached the point of introducing him to her children, it would be totally normal for two adults to discuss her kids, their achievements, what sort of school they go to, etc. And, as we have seen, it isn't difficult at all to find extensive information about that particular school online.

    I'm assuming that the perp had not been invited to tour the science fair by the mother he was dating but that would provide the perfect excuse if someone spotted him there. "Oh, I had an unexpected opening in my morning, so I decided to surprise my girlfriend by coming to see her kid's exhibit."

    That would make the risks of opportunistically scoping out the school seem much lower. He could have gone there without any specific plan in mind but saw Kyron alone at some point and made his move.

    I think it is very possible that Kyron could have been lured out of the school building by a "parent looking" sort of person asking him to come help unload something for the talent show. If anyone had seen the perp with Kyron, all that would have happened would have been that the perp would have returned Kyron to the school unharmed.

    But there were no witnesses.

    The more I think about it, the lower risk this abduction actually was. If I assume that the abduction would have been aborted at any point if there had been witnesses, then it was almost risk free at that time and place.

    The perp would not have been expected to be at the school, so it would be easier to arrange an alibi. If someone had noticed him at the school, he would have had a perfect rationalisation.

    The highest risk time would have been a few seconds when he had Kyron out by his vehicle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    Well I was just looking for the transcript of the scanner chatter we looked so hard for last night, and now I can't find it. I'll do some more hunting and link it in in a few. (Please note we can't post the transcript in this thread, we can only link to it.)

    Anyway, the scanner chatter does make it appear to me that the stepmom and biodad were at the school, and LE asked for one of them to go back to the house.
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    This can NOT be the same white truck seen around 3p the day he went missing & again around 2a (by Mr. Kelly) cos neither parent would've been able to get away
    at that later time with LE around..I assume they were still present at their home for obvious reasons..It still does not change my opinion tho that possibly the perp scouted out that area for a later 'dump' site..It does, however, change whatever opinion I may have re: WHO the perp is cos I'm not ready yet to believe the suspicious actions of this white truck are meaningless to the case.


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    Good coverage on Nightline last night:
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    Quote Originally Posted by elle1919 View Post
    Exactly debs, all the more troubling to me why the SM would leave the home where Kyron quite possibly could return to if he wandered away from the school alone earlier in the day. Honestly, someone else could have been at the home waiting for Kyron, but why would LE instruct one of the parents to return there in case Kyron showed up?

    I don't know, just one thing to think about while waiting for some news. JMO
    I have stated before that I think if my child was missing I would run out looking for him. I don't think I could just sit at home waiting. My instict would be to go search. If he wasn't on the bus how else would he get home??

    My kids take the bus in the morning not after school but if I was told my child did not get on the bus I would rush to school. It either means that my child is left behind at school or got on the wrong bus my mistake.

    I would not assume my child had been missing all day!


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