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    How to get yourself & a child out of the school and into a vehicle?

    Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to get yourself and a child:

    1) out of this school

    2) into a vehicle

    3) drive away without anyone seeing the child in your vehicle

    Parameters:

    a) there are many people entering the school as you do this, both adults and children. Keep this in mind, because you must ensure, or minimize the chances of, anyone seeing the child with you.

    b) there are many people exiting the school as you do this. Most are adults; few, if any, are children. Keep this in mind because the child you need to get into your vehicle will stand out as a rare child exiting the school. You must ensure, or minimize the chances of, anyone seeing the child with you.

    c) the child may or may not be seen for a final time at the south entrance of the school

    d) the vehicle may or may not be a Ford truck or a red Mustang

    e) you may or may not have one distinctive feature that would normally be very noticeable to others - very long, curly red hair.

    f) the has one distinctive feature that would normally make him more memorable - he wears glasses. Only approximately 10% of children wear glasses. http://www.dictionaryfordads.com/childrenandglasses.htm

    This exercise may help us to develop leads and tips we could send in to LE, if we can come up with several ways this can be accomplished, so...

    How would you do it? Go!

    Pictures of school, some with entrances defined, are here:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5303623&postcount=22"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Skyline Elementary School[/ame]


    and here:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5313412&postcount=50"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Skyline Elementary School[/ame]


    What other parameters/requirements does this have to be accomplished within?
    Last edited by BeanE; 06-20-2010 at 12:32 PM. Reason: modified assumption of having distinctive feature/long red hair. sorry. I should have caught that. :(

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    You tell your child it's a trick. You tell him to go "hide" in the floor of the truck and you will be there in a few minutes. If anyone saw Kyron by his truck would they really have thought anything about it at the time?
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    I think this is something that you can chalk up to...it happened because it did.

    I'm not convinced that she had this planned but even if she did it could have just been a case of leaving while everyone else was inside and when nobody else was arriving. I've left baseball stadiums early before and encountered no one on my way out when there were tens of thousands of people inside the stadium. If she took the side door to the parking lot they could have left quickly unnoticed. Also, when everybody is paying attention to their kids or parents it's not an observant environment. People are worried about their own thing, not who is slipping out the side door to the parking lot.

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    This is an interesting topic. Let's not confuse this scenario with fact. Although it may be a fact in our minds, it is not a fact released by LE or the media and we can't say it is a fact unless we have a link.

    This has been a question in my mind for at least a week. I look forward to your speculations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehcloser View Post
    You tell your child it's a trick. You tell him to go "hide" in the floor of the truck and you will be there in a few minutes. If anyone saw Kyron by his truck would they really have thought anything about it at the time?
    The thing is, and here's what's driving me crazy, is that so far as we know, Kyron was last seen *inside* the school. There were people going in and out of the building. I keep looking at the pictures and I can't for the life of me figure out how to get a child into a vehicle and off the premises with that child never being seen.

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    Was it rainy that morning? Maybe an umbrella helped hide her identity, no one really noticed her.

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    Very carefully, thats how you do it JMO
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    Here is what I do.
    I say, "Hey, your glasses are smudgy. Let me clean them for you," on the way out.
    I wear a hat, or the hood up on a hoody; or, my hair is up, so it does not look long.
    I would hide in plain sight; just stroll out, with sunglasses, not making eye contact with anyone. People don't pay attention to a lot of what they see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimster View Post
    This is an interesting topic. Let's not confuse this scenario with fact. Although it may be a fact in our minds, it is not a fact released by LE or the media and we can't say it is a fact unless we have a link.

    This has been a question in my mind for at least a week. I look forward to your speculations.
    Sorry, Kimster. I actually tried very hard to make sure I was sticking solely with known facts for the scenario.

    ETA: Sorry, Kimster. I think I know what you were referring to, and I made a change to my OP. I should have caught that.
    Last edited by BeanE; 06-20-2010 at 12:33 PM.

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    You could come super early, like before 8:15, when not many people were around, talk to a few people, take a couple of pics and be out of there as soon as the coast was clear, before many people were around. Tell people later that you were around until 8:45. Who's to say you weren't? Oh, yeah, the people filling out those questionaires.
    I'm pretty sure someone could go out to a truck without being seen that morning, even someone with red hair, because no one has come forward to say they saw her leave, with or without Kyron.


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    I'm thinking...... In reference to.... e)
    you have one distinctive feature that would normally be very noticeable to others - very long, curly red hair.


    Disguise my appearance...She could have put her hair up and covered it with a scarf or a different style/color wig..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forensic fan View Post
    Was it rainy that morning? Maybe an umbrella helped hide her identity, no one really noticed her.
    Locals reported that it started raining later in the day, closer to noon.

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    I'd have to think some more about my answer (it's a work in progress) but I just wanted to thank BeanE for this awesome idea/post. I look forward to reading everyone elses answers!

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    I'll accept the mission.

    Look at the two pic above.

    The south door was where Kyron was last seen (either in or out)

    If you notice there is a "dirt" road that comes in from the front road and runs along the soccer field. (Probably to bring equipment in and out). On the front road side - this "path" creates a "pull off" if you will from the main road.

    I would have made sure "something" was left behind by the child in the vehicle. Then as I was preparing to leave and have him go to class, I would convienently ask the child, "do you have your________". Immediately the child would remember that he forgot it in the truck.

    Ok, I tell him. You go to class and then come down those stairs to that door. I'll go get the truck and meet you out there - you can run out to the truck and get "it".

    Again, look at those pics. There is tree cover that would conceal your vehicle from the second story windows and also trees that would provide some cover for the child as he "runs out to the truck". Cars on the road of course would see you - but if you are rummaging around or hanging out the window waving a schoolbook or papers while you're idling.......

    Once the child is at the truck you tell him get in.

    Of course you are risking being seen - but I believe this would minimalize those chances and if you are - well the child is just running out to get something. The exit to the school parking lot is behind you and you are not in the mainstream of traffic lanes (you've pulled off to the side). The parking lot exit goes both left and right, so at least some of the traffic will turn left and not even notice you.

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    I want to play!...

    Let's keep in mind that this was reportedly a shy child, a child who was not one to engage with strangers-I task you with thinking about the last large school event you attended; can you remember each 7 year old and each parent or adult with them if you did not know them well to begin with????

    To me the key with getting Kyron out of the school is to make it as low key and normal looking as possible...."Hey Kyron, would you mind pushing the baby to the car for me? I am tired, need to stop and talk to a teacher, need to fix my shoe...(fill in the blank)" for example.

    Or, "Kyron we can go to the Science fair, but you have a Dr's appointment this morning...yes, I will get you back in time for the talent show and of course I will be coming!"

    I would be hard pressed to believe that there was any machination like to have him meet the person out back or something of that nature. But I could be wrong.

    Now, I do not believe the person was a stranger to Kyron or a danger to the other kids because LE would so be on the hook if there was a random child kidnapper operating and they told the community to stand down. JMO. So, if the person who took Kyron knew him, they would need to have given him a plausible reason to leave the school that would sound normal if repeated to others...again, jmo.
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