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    TH's cell phone pings

    I just wanted to toss this out because I have heard people saying that it doesn't make sense that she didn't turn her phone off. Maybe she did? Newer advances in telephones make it possiable to ping or track your telephone even when it is turned off. It is not a real commonly known thing, or easy to forget about. Perhaps, you may even think that your phone company or telephone model doesn't have that service. Earlier someone else listed a link as well, i'll add it too.

    http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs2b-cellprivacy.htm


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    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/2/195035/3943
    Even when 'off' it's periodically emitting a short burst to tell the system which tower(s) to use for your incoming calls. it's this burst which is used to locate you. Pull the battery to secure your location.



    Plus, GPS might already have been an option if her husbands truck had onstar in his car. I am not sure if they can track it even if it isn't paid for via activation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4u2Whisper2 View Post
    I just wanted to toss this out because I have heard people saying that it doesn't make sense that she didn't turn her phone off. Maybe she did? Newer advances in telephones make it possiable to ping or track your telephone even when it is turned off. It is not a real commonly known thing, or easy to forget about. Perhaps, you may even think that your phone company or telephone model doesn't have that service. Earlier someone else listed a link as well, i'll add it too.


    Plus, GPS might already have been an option if her husbands truck had onstar in his car. I am not sure if they can track it even if it isn't paid for via activation.

    snip:
    Even when 'off' it's periodically emitting a short burst to tell the system which tower(s) to use for your incoming calls. it's this burst which is used to locate you. Pull the battery to secure your location.


    http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/7/2/195035/3943
    http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs2b-cellprivacy.htm
    I have to say (and maybe I'm just naive), but I thought the phone could only be traced if I made a call, not just if the phone was on (and certainly not hours after the fact). Depending on how much she knows about these things, my guess is she had no clue.

    And, Angel, I didn't know this fact at all. Very cool -- but probably not something very well known.

    (Addition:...among other things, I teach and troubleshoot Tech in our middle school bldg., so I consider myself pretty "tech savvy," and I'd never heard of this....). So she may not have ever thought to turn the phone off.
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    PS- you have to take the battery out of a phone, not to have it ping, is what I read...
    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Am I correct in assuming that a 'Ping' is when a cell phone makes communication with a cell tower?

    PSA: if you are going to kill someone, leave the cell at home.

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    True and understandable that people might think, if I don't call anyone..they wont find me or if I turn it off. Newer advances recently have changed that.

    So true beans Razzle. If you commit a crime leave your cell at home or take out the battery.


    Sadly though some missing people aren't found before the battery dies even when it is "on".

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    Cell phone pings in General

    Quote Originally Posted by twzzlrgirl View Post
    I have to say (and maybe I'm just naive), but I thought the phone could only be traced if I made a call, not just if the phone was on (and certainly not hours after the fact). Depending on how much she knows about these things, my guess is she had no clue.

    And, Angel, I didn't know this fact at all. Very cool -- but probably not something very well known.

    (Addition:...among other things, I teach and troubleshoot Tech in our middle school bldg., so I consider myself pretty "tech savvy," and I'd never heard of this....). So she may not have ever thought to turn the phone off.
    I'm not being disrespectful here, but I've known about cell phone pings ever since I got my first cell phone back in the late 80s. When someone calls into your cell phone, the system has to have a way to know which tower to route that call through. Otherwise, they'd have to broadcast every single call through every single tower in the US. Not feasible.

    Frankly, I am surprised that anyone is surprised about cell phone pings. What do you think runs the battery down even if you make no calls at all? If you turn your cell phone all the way off or yank the battery, then call your cell phone number, the system either instantly or almost instantly routes your call either to voicemail or to an automated message saying something like "that phone is not reachable right now."

    I'm honestly not trying to be disrespectful, I'm just surprised that there is any adult who doesn't know how cell phones work. I'm one of the least tech savvy people there is and I know! I tend to assume that if I know something tech-ish, everyone knows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrainneDhu View Post
    I'm not being disrespectful here, but I've known about cell phone pings ever since I got my first cell phone back in the late 80s. When someone calls into your cell phone, the system has to have a way to know which tower to route that call through. Otherwise, they'd have to broadcast every single call through every single tower in the US. Not feasible.

    Frankly, I am surprised that anyone is surprised about cell phone pings. What do you think runs the battery down even if you make no calls at all? If you turn your cell phone all the way off or yank the battery, then call your cell phone number, the system either instantly or almost instantly routes your call either to voicemail or to an automated message saying something like "that phone is not reachable right now."

    I'm honestly not trying to be disrespectful, I'm just surprised that there is any adult who doesn't know how cell phones work. I'm one of the least tech savvy people there is and I know! I tend to assume that if I know something tech-ish, everyone knows it.
    Well, first of all: I knew the phone could be traced if a call was made, or if a call came in. I didn't know the cell was "communicating" with the tower through pings even if there was no activity.

    Second: Many things "run down" if they are on (my ipod, for example), and it's not running down because it is somehow being traced, but because the act of it being "on" runs down the battery.

    Third: I know how cell phones work. I just didn't know they could be traced even if they weren't in use, or if they weren't even on.
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    Was it confirmed that there:
    A) were cell pings on Sauvie Island; and
    B) that cell phone belonged to Terri?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razzle View Post
    Am I correct in assuming that a 'Ping' is when a cell phone makes communication with a cell tower?

    PSA: if you are going to kill someone, leave the cell at home.
    Yes, a cell phone ping is a very short data burst that tells the nearest tower that it (the cell phone) is in the area. Without pings, the cell phone system would be unworkable.

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    debs I hope this helps.

    http://www.people.com/people/article...395256,00.html

    But law enforcement sources, who are not directly involved with the investigation, tell the local newspaper that Horman's story does not match her cell phone records, which reportedly reveal she may have been on nearby Sauvie Island.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cluciano63 View Post
    PS- you have to take the battery out of a phone, not to have it ping, is what I read...
    This is true! Until the Caylee case I would never have known that either. If you don't want to be *pinged* the battery has to be out of the phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzedek View Post
    But a lot of people do not know this. Not necessarily because they aren't tech-savvy, but because they simply haven't thought about it or read about it. They have a phone they can all people with and don't think about it much beyond that. To chastise people because they don't posess a bit of knowledge that you do is a little over the top. I personally found this post offensive and would hope it's not typical for how posters speak to each other here.

    And it's all endless speculation anyway. No one here knows for sure what the info is on the cell phone, "pings" or otherwise. For all we know, there are other ways the cell phone may have tripped her up, IF that is what is being dealt with.
    I apologise. My intention was not to chastise but I have clearly failed to communicate my intentions clearly.

    I was trying to figure out just how common it is for people not to know about cell phone pings. I was coming from the assumption that knowledge was like knowing about free wi-fi spots: if you have a laptop or smartphone, you know you can find a spot by just roaming around and watching your wi-fi app to see when you get a signal, then you check to see if it is secured, etc.

    I was surprised to find out that it is less commonly known among cell phone owners than knowledge of wi-fi is among laptop owners.

    Or maybe most laptop owners don't know about wi-fi either?

    Uh oh. Now I'm beginning to question my own assumptions. And what it is that I don't know that everyone else knows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrainneDhu View Post
    I apologise. My intention was not to chastise but I have clearly failed to communicate my intentions clearly.

    I was trying to figure out just how common it is for people not to know about cell phone pings. I was coming from the assumption that knowledge was like knowing about free wi-fi spots: if you have a laptop or smartphone, you know you can find a spot by just roaming around and watching your wi-fi app to see when you get a signal, then you check to see if it is secured, etc.

    I was surprised to find out that it is less commonly known among cell phone owners than knowledge of wi-fi is among laptop owners.

    Or maybe most laptop owners don't know about wi-fi either?

    Uh oh. Now I'm beginning to question my own assumptions. And what it is that I don't know that everyone else knows!
    I was aware of the pings even if you are not making calls. I was unaware that one would have to actually remove the battery rather than just turning it off. We all learn new things everyday.

    I guess the battery dying would have the same effect as removing the battery??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pondering Mind View Post
    This is true! Until the Caylee case I would never have known that either. If you don't want to be *pinged* the battery has to be out of the phone.
    I wonder if a cell phone pings every tower it gets within range of or only some of them. I worked for Nextel 8 years ago and I know that there were many times that I had to help people troubleshoot their phones when the underlying issue was that the phone wasn't registering with the tower. A quick power cycle solved the problem, but it makes me wonder if that is still common.

    We didn't call them pings at Nextel, but I understand what they are.

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    Can anyone provide a link for the cell phone pings? Thanks.

    I have moved these posts to allow you to discuss cell phone pings in general.

    If someone can provide me with a link that there are in fact pings of a cell phone please do. Otherwise the cell phone pings of SM can't be discussed because it is rumor without some verification.

    Thanks.
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