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    FL - Royal Palm Beach, WhtFem Skeletal 12UFFL, 20-40, in woods, Dec'87

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 12UFFL
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/12uffl.html


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    Unidentified White Female
    # Discovered on December 20, 1987 on 130th Avenue, north of Orange Boulevard, in Royal Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida.
    # The victim may have been at this location for a period of three months to possibly three years before discovery.
    # State of Remains: Skeletal

    Vital Statistics
    # Estimated age: 20 - 40 years old
    # Approximate Height and Weight: 5'1 - 5'6"; 90 - 130 pounds
    # Distinguishing Characteristics: Light brown hair with streaks of grey. She was short with a small frame. She may have suffered a back injury or had severe arthritis. Fracture of the right clavicle.
    # Dentals: The victim had extensive dental work and dental records are available. 8 fillings and extensive carries.
    # Clothing: No clothing or jewelry was found with the victim.

    Case History
    The victim was located in wooded area near The Acreage in Royal Palm Beach., Florida on December 20, 1987

    Investigators
    If you have any information on the identity of this woman or the circumstances surrounding her death, please contact:
    West Palm Beach Sheriff's Department
    562-688-4013
    You can remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number:
    1987-01184


    NCIC Number:
    U-920672669
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 03:17 AM.

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    I was just checking out today's Charley updates, and saw this newly listed MP from back in 1984:

    Sandra F. Thompson

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...an_sandra.html



    I looked through the list of Florida female UID's from the 1980's in DoeNet, and found this UID case. There is not much to go on except that the height and age are within range, the estimated year of death is consistent, and there is a striking resemblance on facial structure.

    They both have high prominent cheekbones, low sharp jawlines, prominent chins and high noses.

    The remains were found less than 300 miles straight south down I-95 from her hometown of Jacksonville.

    There isn't much in Charley to match on, but everything available is consistent to this UID.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 03:19 AM.

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    Hi Carl:

    Just doing a little search this morning before work and came across a missing person site and there's a Sandra Faye Norman whose married name was Thompson. I've attached the Charley Project for her and think it may be the same person as everything matches up such as missing date, birth date, location, etc.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...on_sandra.html

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    Thanks CJ - Good catch.

    You attached the wrong link. Here's Sandra Faye Norman's Charley Page.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...an_sandra.html

    They both have the same DLC and DOB. They look quite different, but their facial structures appear to be similar. The two photos appear to be the same person at a different age. SFT looks like an older version of SFN.



    In the Lake Ponchartrain Jane Doe thread, indianagirl says that according to the LSU Faces lab, there are no identifiers on SFN (DNA or Dentals), and the family is unwilling to submit DNA. So if this Palm Beach Jane Doe is SFN/SFT, they probably have not been able to verify it.

    ETA: I sent an e-mail to Meaghan of Charley Project to notify her of this.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-12-2012 at 03:20 AM.

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    I sent off an e-mail to the Jacksonville FL tip line to see if they give me the same information that indianagirl got from LSU Faces Lab.

    Yesterday, the Charley Project website added a new case file on Missing Person Sandra F Thompson (DOB 02/13/1958). (I subsequently learned that the same woman is listed on a separate case file as Sandra Faye Norman).

    With the new photo, I realized that Sandra Faye Norman-Thompson strongly resembles the facial reconstruction of a Jane Doe whose skeletal remains were found in Royal Palm Beach on 20-Dec-1987.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/12uffl.html

    This Jane Doe is not listed in NamUs, and I do not see anywhere that Sandra Faye Norman-Thompson has been ruled out as being this Jane Doe.

    A few questions:

    (1) Do you know if these two cases have ever been compared?

    (2) If Sandra F. Norman-Thompson has been ruled out, do you know what the basis was for the rule-out (i.e., Dentals or DNA)? Since these are skeletal remains, it would not be by fingerprints.

    (3) Do you know if Sandra Faye Norman-Thompson is listed in CODIS?

    (4) Sandra has been mentioned as a possible match for other unidentified decedent cases. Are there fingerprint records available for her?
    Let's see if they give me the same info that Helen Bouzon gave to indianagirl.

    ETA: I followed up with two additional questions:

    Per my earlier e-mail, two additional questions:

    (5) Are there dental records available for Sandra Norman-Thompson?

    (6) Is there any indication in Sandra's Missing Persons case file to indicate that Sandra had any physical impairments (e.g., back problems or previously broken collarbone) similar to those mentioned in the Doe Network case file for this unidentified decedent?
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 06-24-2010 at 01:14 PM.

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    there is a Namus page for this UID but no rule outs are listed:

    https://identifyus.org/cases/1213

    they narrowed her age range to 21-35.

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    Just skimming through Doe Network and saw this missing lady, Arlene Ferretti and thought I would post to see what everyone thinks....

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/887dffl.html



    Arlene Grace Ferretti
    Missing since July 15, 1987 from Palm Beach County, Florida
    Classification: Missing

    Vital Statistics

    Date Of Birth: March 13, 1947
    Age at Time of Disappearance: 40 years old
    Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'1"; 120 lbs.
    Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.

    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Arlene Ferretti was last seen in West Palm Beach, FL on July 15, 1987.

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    Do they have DNA on this Jane Doe or are they going to get it? I don't see DNA listed for her on Namus.
    ALL EVIL NEEDS TO SUCCEED IS FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO NOTHING!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms Suzanne View Post
    Do they have DNA on this Jane Doe or are they going to get it? I don't see DNA listed for her on Namus.
    About a year ago, I saw an article that said that Palm Beach county was going to exhume all their UID's for DNA testing.

    I would hope that this one was included.

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    Has anyone ruled out missing Sharon Pinegar January 1987 missing from Iowa but possibly heading to Florida? The time frame fits and her physical description. Wish it gave more on Sharon's dental work. 1898DFIA on Doe Network ... I am not good at posting side by side pics on here... http://doenetwork.org/cases/1898dfia.html


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    Diane Joy Cannon went missing from Tennessee in 1982. It is out of the original estimated timeframe, but I think her facial structure and the fractured right clavicle make her a decent possibility.
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cannon_diane.html


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    I found what I think is a good PM for this unidentified woman.

    Robyn Melanie Adler
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/adler_robyn.html
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11326/0



    Robyn Adler went missing on May 25, 1983 in Loxahatchee, Florida. She had gone to visit her boyfriend and was last seen driving her red car down C Road.
    Four days after her disappearance, her car was found. It had been crashed into a tree in a remote area north of Royal Palm Beach.
    Although not much else is known about her disappearance, her case is being treated as a homicide investigation.

    Here are the similarities I see between this Jane Doe and Robyn Adler:

    • UID's age is between 21 - 35; Adler is 22
    • UID's height is 5'1 - 5'6; Adler is 5'4
    • UID's weight was 90 - 130 lbs; Adler was 110 lbs
    • UID died prior to 1987; Adler disappeared in 1983
    • Both had brown hair
    • Both were white
    • The UID was founds 27 miles from where Adler was last seen. However, it may have been MUCH closer since her car was found just north of Royal Palm Beach.
    • The circumstances line up. Adler's car was found just north of Royal Palm Beach and the UID was found north of Orange Blvd. inside the city. Whoever (presumably) killed Adler would not have to go far to find a secluded area to dump her body.
    • Adler resembles the UID's sketch.


    No automatic rule-out could be made because the UID has no dentals or DNA in the system, and Adler only has dentals.
    Last edited by Migmuu; 11-14-2013 at 03:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Migmuu View Post
    I found what I think is a good PM for this unidentified woman.

    Robyn Melanie Adler
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/adler_robyn.html
    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11326/0



    Robyn Adler went missing on May 25, 1983 in Loxahatchee, Florida. She had gone to visit her boyfriend and was last seen driving her red car down C Road.
    Four days after her disappearance, her car was found. It had been crashed into a tree in a remote area north of Royal Palm Beach.
    Although not much else is known about her disappearance, her case is being treated as a homicide investigation.

    Here are the similarities I see between this Jane Doe and Robyn Adler:

    • UID's height is 5'1 - 5'6; Adler is 5'4
    • UID's weight was 90 - 130 lbs; Adler was 110 lbs
    • UID died prior to 1987; Adler disappeared in 1983
    • Both had brown hair
    • Both were white
    • The UID was founds 27 miles from where Adler was last seen. However, it may have been MUCH closer since her car was found just north of Royal Palm Beach.
    • The circumstances line up. Adler's car was found just north of Royal Palm Beach and the UID was found north of Orange Blvd. inside the city. Whoever (presumably) killed Adler would not have to go far to find a secluded area to dump her body.
    • Adler resembles the UID's sketch.


    No automatic rule-out could be made because the UID has no dentals or DNA in the system, and Adler only has dentals.
    I think this is absolutely worth submitting.

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    Adler and UID 12UFFL

    Namus shows dental records are on file for Adler. It should be easy for them to compare to the UID 12UFFL.

    The UID has 8 fillings/noted extensive dental work. .. I would submit it. They look alike and the location is so close.

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    Former local chiming in--I lived in south Florida in the 80s, and Loxahatchee and The Acreage were pretty much the "sticks", especially the former. Royal Palm Beach was just starting to get built up. But in the 80s there were miles and miles of lonely dirt roads out there. Due to that and the urban sprawl nature of Sourh Florida, 20 miles is not a long distance between the last-known of Adler and the UID body.
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