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    Totally agree, the confession is irrelevant other than to confirm in the court that he is a liar that has no intention of co-operating with the police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selena View Post
    Have to go. I see Valentin listed as born in Holland and Aruba respectively. This is confusing

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    Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born.
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    In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as a lawyer for the Aruban government.

    http://*************.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg337889

    I assumed this meant the family lived in Aruba at the time. Were they still in Arnhem?
    Valentin is graduating this year ( 2010-/2011) from Emerson in Boston so that makes him approx 20 ( think his b/d is early in the year) and Joran is about to be 23. Remembering in his declaration in the NH case Joran wanted to talk to his brother who was 15 at the time, that would mean Valentin was born in 1990.

    I have seen an article where it says the Sloots moved to Aruba when JVDS was 2, but this wouldn't be true unless Anita returned to NL for Val's birth....which may be so, I just don't see it, or it isn't specifically mentioned anywhere= probably because it isn't relevant, but in this same article ( not in the amended version online but the original ) it stated Paul was involved in a 20 year battle to keep a highway from bring developed through his ancestral home grounds ( forget the exact name, in Boxtel ) and I shouldn't assume but that would have ended in 1993, when Joran was 6.

    Yet another version is told by Joran when he said he felt alone and alienated on his first day of kindergarten when he was the only child speaking Dutch.
    Maybe this is his recollection only because even in Aruba there would have been Dutch children in his class- and if he has an August birthday he could have been younger or one of the youngest in his class- so maybe he turned 5 and immediately enrolled that year, which would be 1992- if not, 1993 which is the year Paul won his case in Boxtel, and would make more sense then the family moving to Aruba before then.

    I did look back and remember recollections of past girlfriends of Joran when he was 14/15 and this was in Aruba. So I gather the info from the Biography.com article must be a mistranslation or inaccurate to state the family moved to Aruba when JVDS was 16 unless they kept two residences, one in the NL. Which is not a stretch, I suppose.

    Ok, thanks for reading the rambling...

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    Exclusive look at Joran van der Sloot's prison courtroom

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    something tells me we will be onto this subject soon so here's a snippet from wiki:

    Familial searching

    Familial searching is the use of family members' DNA to identify a closely related suspect in jurisdictions where large DNA databases exist, but no exact match has been found. The first successful use of the practice was in a UK case where a man was convicted of manslaughter when he threw a brick stained with his own blood into a moving car. Police could not get an exact match to the UK's DNA database because the man had no criminal convictions, but police implicated him using a close relative's DNA.[13]
    [edit] Surreptitious DNA collecting

    Police forces may collect DNA samples without the suspects' knowledge, and use it as evidence. Legality of this mode of proceeding has been questioned in Australia.

    In the United States, it has been accepted, courts often claiming that there was no expectation of privacy, citing California v. Greenwood (1985), during which the Supreme Court held that the Fourth Amendment does not prohibit the warrantless search and seizure of garbage left for collection outside the curtilage of a home. Critics of this practice underline the fact that this analogy ignores that "most people have no idea that they risk surrendering their genetic identity to the police by, for instance, failing to destroy a used coffee cup. Moreover, even if they do realize it, there is no way to avoid abandoning one’s DNA in public." [14]

    My nightmare is that the DNA test will show Paulus Van der Sloot was in Peru.

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_profiling[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unreals View Post
    Look, I've never believed that he did push anyone off a bridge. My point was that the witness who testified to this made it appear that Joran was something of a hero, imho. I don't approve of people being pushed off bridges, either. However, the way this guy described things, there was an adult with some problems who confronted three minors and tried to start a fight with one. In my view, he was the bad guy in this scenario.
    Perhaps. But I've spent most of my adult life working in midtown Manhattan and downtown L.A. I've had more encounters with aggressive panhandlers, homeless drug addicts and lunatics-at-large (not mutually exclusive categories, of course) than I could possibly recount.

    I am within an inch of JVDS' size. In all those encounters, however unpleasant, I never once had occasion to lay hands on anyone, much less throw anyone off a bridge. (A dangerous stunt, however, low the bridge.)

    This isn't to say there couldn't have been unique circumstances in the "bridge incident" that might legally justify JVDS' reported conduct. But the incomplete and badly translated account we have falls short of that justification. "Tried to start a fight with..." can have a range of meanings, many of which do not justify bodily assault.

    So of course you are right that this alleged incident doesn't prove JVDS a psychopath. At the same time, it doesn't prove him a choir boy either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamille View Post
    I know it has been discussed that the white tin that was photographed with the items that were supposedly given to the cab driver was possibly powder henna but I noticed that in his confession, Joran said that he had given the cab drivers 2 bottles of "perfume".

    Is it possible that the white tin is some type of cologne? I know Versace uses a tin for packaging of it's blue, white and black jeans cologne and I think there is another cologne called Curve that comes in a tin.

    He also says that he gave them several shirts, and a pair of jeans. Was just wondering if maybe the other picture of the t-shirts, jeans and shorts was other items given to the cab drivers rather than items found in the hotel room.

    Sounds to me like he just gave them his whole beige duffel bag and all of the items that were in it and maybe his watch, camera and cell phone. He also rambles on I think about getting their phone number so he can get his stuff back, well at least the watch, so is that what really happened? He gave them his bag as "collateral" until he could come up with the extra $500 he owed them? Since most bank machines only dispense $500 as a daily limit, was he planning on going back to the ATM the following day after having depleted his daily limit with the first $500 he drew out, getting the money and calling the cab drivers to meet him to get his stuff back?

    I wonder what happened if that was the case. And I wonder whose account he was taking that money from. Perhaps at that point both his and Stephany's accounts were frozen so he couldn't get any money and couldn't get his stuff back?
    Some ATM's/banks allow higher limits depending on the income or money one has coming in. I think with all the interviews for cash and all the money Joran scored off people on the Internet, and if he banked the money it would have been quite substantial (if he didn't immediately gamble it all), so that he could have a higher limit. JMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cat thief View Post
    I don't think they were cheating. My thing is, if they were, Joran would have already told the police about this as the reason he had to kill her. If they were cheating it's much less of a crime than murder and he would have used this information to his advantage in some way.
    AFAIK, there is no evidence JVDS and the victim were colluding. (And I know you aren't suggesting there is.)

    But hypothetically, if they were, how does this mitigate the crime of murder? Since when does killing an accomplice mitigate the murder? A defense attorney might use the info in a "smear the victim" sort of defense, but I don't know of a legal concept where killing an accomplice is a mitigating factor. Do you?

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    the "colluding" if thats what they were up to would only for me in my mind suggest another reason as to what may have caused the argument... or maybe he had been cheating and she was going to tell someone?? who knows, none of it supports killing a person as a result. if there is info on jvds laptop that could prove that he had been cheating would it change any of his charges? we know that it changes things if a person is robbed & murdered - but what about a place(theft not robbery)anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielabc View Post
    So... Someone posted the link (sorry, can't find the post now) to Joran's entire confession in Spanish! It happened days ago and I didn't notice.

    I thought we just had half-translated bits of it, not the original version in scanned pdf. If someone wants a real-person translation of a few of the questions I can do it...
    Just catching up, but if you could translate the last paragraph---or just give a gist of what it says, I'd truly appreciate it. ty

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    Respectively snipped from Selena:

    I wonder what happened if that was the case. And I wonder whose account he was taking that money from. Perhaps at that point both his and Stephany's accounts were frozen so he couldn't get any money and couldn't get his stuff back?
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    Good point and good possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selena View Post
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    My best friend is a bag of chips, wanna mess?

    sorry, this one. He is the larger, dark haired haired guy who comes in at the end. By this time all of Aruba is aware that Joran is locked up. Obviously Sebartiaan knows it too.
    Thanks to you & the other posters who got me to the right video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLNY View Post
    "The mysterious visitor takes canned food and groceries, allegedly on behalf of the Netherlands citizen mother, Anita van der Sloot"

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    Some ATM's/banks allow higher limits depending on the income or money one has coming in. I think with all the interviews for cash and all the money Joran scored off people on the Internet, and if he banked the money it would have been quite substantial (if he didn't immediately gamble it all), so that he could have a higher limit. JMHO.
    One of his poker accounts were frozen, Party Poker? or maybe Pokerstars, someone on a poker board posted this but I don't have the link but can get it, to the tune of $8700.00, may have been earlier this year, not sure, but this would have prompted him to look for more money in other places- he may have been banned on that site- and I know he stated he had a gambling debt ( part of declaration where he says Uri Geller gave him $25,000 for an interview, disputed by Geller ) for $6,000 so maybe part of the money he actually collected from the sting went to either the poker site ( ? to pay off the bad debt ?) or to a house account at a casino in Aruba where he owed money.

    this would leave him with much less than $25,000 for traveling as part of the extortion monies were paid in cash ( $10,000) and the rest was wired.
    I have to think the account into which the additional $15,000 was wired was frozen.

    ...and he may have had Stephany's cash and deposited it into one of his accounts the same day to find out he was locked out when he tried to cash it out. I doubt if he got her pin # but that hasn't come up yet...

    I looked up ATM limits an found this on a travel board although JVDS may not have had access to this bank-

    " in Peru there is a Peruvian bank called BCP, which allow all the credit cards around the world, the maximum ammount of money for cash is 400.00 Dollars a day..."

    that and an ATM called GlobalNET from Interbank, accessible from drugstores and other travel friendly locations.

    so many options...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    AFAIK, there is no evidence JVDS and the victim were colluding. (And I know you aren't suggesting there is.)

    But hypothetically, if they were, how does this mitigate the crime of murder? Since when does killing an accomplice mitigate the murder? A defense attorney might use the info in a "smear the victim" sort of defense, but I don't know of a legal concept where killing an accomplice is a mitigating factor. Do you?
    No evidence that we know of but Peliman ( this site ) posted an article from a poker board and I posted a few comments because on those sites where the game ( LAPT ) is being discussed a thread started immediately and the question of collusion came up.

    I suppose this is in light of Garcia and JVDS both having played poker with Stephany in Peru, Garcia losing money to Stephany, Stephany winning the next day/ morning after at the same casino, and then accompanying Joran back to his hostel.

    I'm no poker expert so I can't say how plausible this is or isn't. there is the question of whether or not she appeared to not know him purposely on the casino tape when she met him two days prior and if she passed him a chip in her handshake.

    Not a lot to go on...

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    Peliman, if I haven't done so already, thank you for that great read

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    Where Does Evil Come From?

    What drives a person to commit unspeakable acts of evil and depravity? We turned to forensic psychologist Stephen Diamond, author of the Evil Deeds blog on Psychology Today for the answer:


    Typically it does involve some kind of trauma during childhood. Some kind of deprivation, some kind of neglect, some kind of abandonment. What we refer to psychoanalytically as severe narcissistic wounding, where the child’s basic needs for recognition of who they are and acceptance of who they are - and for love – are not met.

    For example, Diamond says, you take someone who had a traumatic childhood like Charles Manson; he had an alcoholic mother who abandoned him several times and tried to sell him. He spent time living in the streets. Eventually a person like that can develop a rage around how they’re being treated.

    In my opinion, it is this anger that festers over time, that turns into resentment, that turns into embitterment, that turns into rage. It is this rage that underlies what we call -- what you’re referring to -- as evil, or evil behavior or evil deeds. That's really, to me, the driving force in violence.

    Okay … but what about someone who didn’t have an extremely neglectful childhood. If Juran van der Sloot turns out to be guilty, he would seem to go against that idea. He came from an intact family with professionally successful parents. Diamond said:

    This idea of narcissistic wounding is still there. It’s still possible because narcissistic wounding is something that can be much more subtle. In other words, the trauma is more subtle, so if a child is in certain ways not accepted for who he is in a family, is put down, is criticized constantly or is not given enough attention or affection. Then this is a form of narcissistic wounding. And this can lead a lot of anger. And rage.



    more at the link:
    http://news.discovery.com/human/wher...come-from.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveLaughLuv View Post
    Where Does Evil Come From?

    What drives a person to commit unspeakable acts of evil and depravity? We turned to forensic psychologist Stephen Diamond, author of the Evil Deeds blog on Psychology Today for the answer:


    Typically it does involve some kind of trauma during childhood. Some kind of deprivation, some kind of neglect, some kind of abandonment. What we refer to psychoanalytically as severe narcissistic wounding, where the child’s basic needs for recognition of who they are and acceptance of who they are - and for love – are not met.

    For example, Diamond says, you take someone who had a traumatic childhood like Charles Manson; he had an alcoholic mother who abandoned him several times and tried to sell him. He spent time living in the streets. Eventually a person like that can develop a rage around how they’re being treated.

    In my opinion, it is this anger that festers over time, that turns into resentment, that turns into embitterment, that turns into rage. It is this rage that underlies what we call -- what you’re referring to -- as evil, or evil behavior or evil deeds. That's really, to me, the driving force in violence.

    Okay … but what about someone who didn’t have an extremely neglectful childhood. If Juran van der Sloot turns out to be guilty, he would seem to go against that idea. He came from an intact family with professionally successful parents. Diamond said:

    This idea of narcissistic wounding is still there. It’s still possible because narcissistic wounding is something that can be much more subtle. In other words, the trauma is more subtle, so if a child is in certain ways not accepted for who he is in a family, is put down, is criticized constantly or is not given enough attention or affection. Then this is a form of narcissistic wounding. And this can lead a lot of anger. And rage.



    more at the link:
    http://news.discovery.com/human/wher...come-from.html
    I probably posted this on another site but it was reported JVDS was at Den Dolder- Altrecht, Mental Health Institute, Division OFP, Den Dolder, BN, the Netherlands.

    and when I looked it up I got this documentation.

    " Abstract
    Previous studies have suggested that offenders have lowered verbal intelligence compared to their performance intelligence. This phenomenon has been linked traditionally to childhood risk factors (e.g. deficient education, abuse and neglect). Substantial discrepancies between performance intelligence quotients (PIQ) and verbal intelligence quotients (VIQ), however, might also point to neurobiological impairments which may be associated with specific types of criminal behaviour. From the files of 133 male hospitalized offenders, PIQ, VIQ, full scale IQ (FSIQ) scores and Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) scores were derived, along with information about their criminal histories. PIQ over VIQ discrepancies were most pronounced in sexual offenders, particularly in those who had committed sexual crimes against adult victims. Furthermore, PIQ as well as PIQ higher than VIQ discrepancies correlated modestly, but significantly, with PCL-R scores. The results suggest that lower verbal compared to visual and spatial abilities may be connected specifically to egocentric and narcissistic personality traits which, in turn, may be involved in raising the risk of sexual offending.
    Keywords: Intelligence; crime; sexual offending; psychopathy "


    http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/con...l~jumptype=rss

    so,...since I read he checked in voluntarily for two weeks ( no substantiation of that- according to other sources he was using the internet in Thailand, and photographed in Thailand at the same time ) I wondered if this was the facility that Van der Stratten suggested to the family in 2005.

    and if this is representative of their specialty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selena View Post
    One of his poker accounts were frozen, Party Poker? or maybe Pokerstars, someone on a poker board posted this but I don't have the link but can get it, to the tune of $8700.00, may have been earlier this year, not sure, but this would have prompted him to look for more money in other places- he may have been banned on that site- and I know he stated he had a gambling debt ( part of declaration where he says Uri Geller gave him $25,000 for an interview, disputed by Geller ) for $6,000 so maybe part of the money he actually collected from the sting went to either the poker site ( ? to pay off the bad debt ?) or to a house account at a casino in Aruba where he owed money.

    this would leave him with much less than $25,000 for traveling as part of the extortion monies were paid in cash ( $10,000) and the rest was wired.
    I have to think the account into which the additional $15,000 was wired was frozen.

    ...and he may have had Stephany's cash and deposited it into one of his accounts the same day to find out he was locked out when he tried to cash it out. I doubt if he got her pin # but that hasn't come up yet...

    I looked up ATM limits an found this on a travel board although JVDS may not have had access to this bank-

    " in Peru there is a Peruvian bank called BCP, which allow all the credit cards around the world, the maximum ammount of money for cash is 400.00 Dollars a day..."

    that and an ATM called GlobalNET from Interbank, accessible from drugstores and other travel friendly locations.

    so many options...
    Selena, I'm not following this. Who would have frozen this account? Those that he owed a gambling debt to? Would they have the authority to freeze this account? And how would they have known about the recently extorted money being deposited into the account? Help me out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selena View Post
    One of his poker accounts were frozen, Party Poker? or maybe Pokerstars, someone on a poker board posted this but I don't have the link but can get it, to the tune of $8700.00, may have been earlier this year, not sure, but this would have prompted him to look for more money in other places- he may have been banned on that site- and I know he stated he had a gambling debt ( part of declaration where he says Uri Geller gave him $25,000 for an interview, disputed by Geller ) for $6,000 so maybe part of the money he actually collected from the sting went to either the poker site ( ? to pay off the bad debt ?) or to a house account at a casino in Aruba where he owed money.

    this would leave him with much less than $25,000 for traveling as part of the extortion monies were paid in cash ( $10,000) and the rest was wired.
    I have to think the account into which the additional $15,000 was wired was frozen.

    ...and he may have had Stephany's cash and deposited it into one of his accounts the same day to find out he was locked out when he tried to cash it out. I doubt if he got her pin # but that hasn't come up yet...

    I looked up ATM limits an found this on a travel board although JVDS may not have had access to this bank-

    " in Peru there is a Peruvian bank called BCP, which allow all the credit cards around the world, the maximum ammount of money for cash is 400.00 Dollars a day..."

    that and an ATM called GlobalNET from Interbank, accessible from drugstores and other travel friendly locations.

    so many options...
    BBM
    Thank you. I do remember seeing a video and also some posting that he and another person had their accounts frozen for reasons of cheating together against others. I'll see if I can find that but will have to wade deep since it has been months. However anything, any reasons that come out of Joran's mouth is a good reason to doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    Selena, I'm not following this. Who would have frozen this account? Those that he owed a gambling debt to? Would they have the authority to freeze this account? And how would they have known about the recently extorted money being deposited into the account? Help me out here.
    I'm not Selena, but I would think that whomever owns the Poker sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nums24 View Post
    Peru: A woman visits Van der Sloot twice a week, prison workers say

    http://www.livinginperu.com/news-125...on-workers-say

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    His mother has not come to Peru, but a mysterious woman visits Dutch national Joran van der Sloot at Castro Castro prison twice a week, according to prison workers quoted by a local daily.
    Someone, please, please, please tell me I'm hallucinating!!!! This article also says that Joran requested curtains for his windows.

    His request was denied, but can you imagine??????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveLaughLuv View Post
    Where Does Evil Come From?

    What drives a person to commit unspeakable acts of evil and depravity? We turned to forensic psychologist Stephen Diamond, author of the Evil Deeds blog on Psychology Today for the answer:


    Typically it does involve some kind of trauma during childhood. Some kind of deprivation, some kind of neglect, some kind of abandonment. What we refer to psychoanalytically as severe narcissistic wounding, where the child’s basic needs for recognition of who they are and acceptance of who they are - and for love – are not met.

    For example, Diamond says, you take someone who had a traumatic childhood like Charles Manson; he had an alcoholic mother who abandoned him several times and tried to sell him. He spent time living in the streets. Eventually a person like that can develop a rage around how they’re being treated.

    In my opinion, it is this anger that festers over time, that turns into resentment, that turns into embitterment, that turns into rage. It is this rage that underlies what we call -- what you’re referring to -- as evil, or evil behavior or evil deeds. That's really, to me, the driving force in violence.

    Okay … but what about someone who didn’t have an extremely neglectful childhood. If Juran van der Sloot turns out to be guilty, he would seem to go against that idea. He came from an intact family with professionally successful parents. Diamond said:

    This idea of narcissistic wounding is still there. It’s still possible because narcissistic wounding is something that can be much more subtle. In other words, the trauma is more subtle, so if a child is in certain ways not accepted for who he is in a family, is put down, is criticized constantly or is not given enough attention or affection. Then this is a form of narcissistic wounding. And this can lead a lot of anger. And rage.



    more at the link:
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    Thank you for the article. So much makes sense.
    Where I was once a strong advocate of Anita's honesty in her spoken words, I have become quite skeptical. I suppose studying her words, actions, and above all, her connections and past requests that her friends give out info which has been contrary to what LE, or even some reputable media have said, have given me a totally different insight.
    I find her dishonest in most things she has said, especially the joys of Joran as a youngster. Sure there are many fmaily pictures that the people have posed for that seems to say there's alot of love there, but pictures and posing is what it sometimes is. For example, one picture she allowed on the Net where the family is all smiley behind Joran as he sits and cuddles the family dog. That was likely meant to allay the 'rumor' that Joran could actually kill a dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nums24 View Post
    Peru: A woman visits Van der Sloot twice a week, prison workers say

    http://www.livinginperu.com/news-125...on-workers-say

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    His mother has not come to Peru, but a mysterious woman visits Dutch national Joran van der Sloot at Castro Castro prison twice a week, according to prison workers quoted by a local daily.
    The translated Peruvian account describes the mystery woman as a "swarthy skinned woman" allegedly sent by his mother. Hmmm...

    "Among the orders denied to Joran van der Sloot is the curtains to his cell, where he confessed, is dying of cold at night."

    Awww...

    http://translate.google.com/translat...al&sl=es&tl=en

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cottages View Post
    Anyone else notice that what I presume was his mini confession given the day before his full confession, didn't match up with the full confession that I, also presume, he gave the next day?

    JVS: "I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life... she didn't have any right. I went to her and I hit her. She was scared, we argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."

    This is not what he said later? Later he says that she hit him first, he responded with a blow, she was losing consciousness, so he strangled her then smothered her.

    In the first version, she is fully conscious after he hit her...scared and arguing with him...running for the door.

    Was the first version just a news bite? Confession just a summation? Interesting?
    That is very interesting Cottages. I think we had determined from discussing the two different female lawyers that represented him during the two days he was interrogated that he had been taken in for interrogation with his public defender on the 5th of June and in his subsequent statement on June 6th he claimed that he was too tired on the day before to finish his statement and didn't want to talk. I think we also determined that his public defender had told him not to talk and to wait to present his case before the judge. This information can be found in the first part of his statement. Perhaps our poster DanielABC can look over that part and help us out.

    So I'm guessing that if the original "I didn't want to do it, the girl intruded into my private life..." comments were actually made by Joran, it may have been on June 5th during his first attempt at a statement. Perhaps his public defender lawyer cut him off and told him not to say anything else because she knew those comments were setting him up for the maximum sentence. Then she may have explained the different types of charges and penalties and he came up with a new version the next day that mitigated his responsibility. Just guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marikesh View Post
    Thank you for the article. So much makes sense.
    Where I was once a strong advocate of Anita's honesty in her spoken words, I have become quite skeptical. I suppose studying her words, actions, and above all, her connections and past requests that her friends give out info which has been contrary to what LE, or even some reputable media have said, have given me a totally different insight.
    I find her dishonest in most things she has said, especially the joys of Joran as a youngster. Sure there are many fmaily pictures that the people have posed for that seems to say there's alot of love there, but pictures and posing is what it sometimes is. For example, one picture she allowed on the Net where the family is all smiley behind Joran as he sits and cuddles the family dog. That was likely meant to allay the 'rumor' that Joran could actually kill a dog.
    Interesting thing about lovey family photos. Aren't most photos taken to capture and display the happy, celebratory times? I don't know many who take or display pictures that feature the family dysfunctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzihawk View Post
    Selena, I'm not following this. Who would have frozen this account? Those that he owed a gambling debt to? Would they have the authority to freeze this account? And how would they have known about the recently extorted money being deposited into the account? Help me out here.
    He had an account online, poker winnings were frozen- how I do not know, but he wrote a letter of complaint that he was owed $8700 and was going to report the site to someone in authority- his gaming activity was suspect and he couldn't get the money he "won" online- or it wasn't accounted that he was a winner- have to check this out to see if the money was virtual money or on his stats, there was another player involved and she was mentioned in his letter.
    If it was actual money he won from players and was in dispute maybe he had to pay them back. Online poker is kind of sketchy- there are disclaimers about legalities and so forth when you enter the gaming part of the site, so this is my theory that the $8700 debt was actual and not virtual and it had to be repaid by him. I don't know if he did that.

    He said he had a poker debt of $6,000 that had to be repaid ( in his declaration ) that came from the $25,000 he said he obtained from Uri Geller for an interview prior to the sting operation. Geller goes on the record that he never paid him that amount- but Joran declred this ( I will find the document and post it).

    so if he had only $10,000 cash and took it all to Colombia it would have been declared, unless he deposited it beforehand when he got his ticket to Bogota. If he paid off $6,000 before he entered the country in a gambling debt to an Aruban casino- or online- he had much less than the $10,000 cash from the sting before he arrived in Peru. He arrived in Peru on May 14th.

    ...and he is staying at the cheapest possible place close to the casino but still in a fashionable area where he can mingle with the other players, visit bars, etc.

    If we was able to access his bank account in Peru ( all including the wired money ) he possibly wouldn't have been broke on the 30th. This means he probably used Stephany's cash because the account he had only allowed him XX per day, and the larger amount he expected to have available that was wired was not available. If he put her cash winnings into his account it probably wasn't available- someone in her family probably froze the account when she went missing.

    ATM robberies are not uncommon in Lima. Maybe the cash was frozen automatically as a precaution at that bank or by protocol given the incidence of robberies at ATM's.

    hope this answer is better

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