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    Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #21

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    Joran Van der Sloot Confesses to Murdering Stephany Flores Ramirez #14 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
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    Please continue here.

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107668"]Thread 14[/ame]
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    Keep the discussion relevant to Stephany's murder. Treat Stephany's family with respect - they are victims also.

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    No discussion of Natalie or JonBenet or their families. There must be a clear connection between Stephany's murder and the cases of the other two girls, publicized in the mainstream media, before any discussion will be allowed.

    The information regarding JVDS's dog and the homeless man MUST either be substantiated or dropped. At this point it appears this info is based on rumor/speculation. Show where the info comes from or drop it.

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    jvds has given interviews to reporters etc. that implicate himself - so i dont see how he is being unfairly portrayed in the press... maybe thats just me - but seriously how is it now the fault of the press that he appears guilty?

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    And what passes for "journalism" just keeps getting more atrocious. "TV insiders?" Tell me how any "TV insider" could possibly have communicated with Joran? I think we would have heard of any "TV insider" visiting him. More nonsense to poison the public mind further against this kid. As if that is necessary at this point.

    So Joran is "positively giddy" about all the attention he's receiving? Yeah, that's some attractive, enjoyable thing he's got going for him. Really, at this point, the lynch mob will believe anything they're told about Joran.
    For one thing John van den Heuval (same one that had negative comments on Ms. Gielen's Documentary) brought out a bunch of garbage after visiting with Anita and Joran. He's known as a rather weak man and hasn't had much chance in something like he has done this time going to Aruba and Peru. Weak persons are really open to suggestion by those who cry and wring their hands.
    There is a foreigner visiting Joran twice a week, wihch I understand is quite normal for family to have done for an incarcerated member, however, this would be set up with/by family or close friends. Would not that person also bring out info from Joran? I understand everything she takes in is gone over with a fine toothed comb.
    I can't see Nancy Grace trying to contact Joran, and I think Greta learned her lessons, but Cuomo is ripe and raring to buy all kinds of junk. 150 grand for a teeny bopping lust affair and a silly diary after Anita had contact with her and I'm sure she okayed her letter being publicized as well. Soon to come we will likely see Cuomo paying the million. I used to think better of him, but he's trash like any tabloid as far as I'm concerned. They don't spend that much on real news and the unsung heros of our country never get a mention.
    I'm still not believing it either, but after seing what he paid for that diary, anything is possible.
    That's pretty daring calling us out as a lynch mob. I believe in real justice, and real Judges handing down a sentence appropriate for actions. So far Joran has been enabled to run and get away from anything negative he did. There were always some standing by, spending their hard earned money to get him free. Anita during her paid interview said she is cutting him free, but that is not so, as we all see now. Not that I think she should, just that she finally really needs to realize he does have a problem. Joran will get Justice in the Peru system where he committed the crime. They don't seem to lose sight of the criminal for days on end, and they don't seem to lose evidence either.

    I do wonder, since Cuomo and Joe Tacopina are very good friends, is there a possibility that is how Tacopina will get into this muddle to advise Altaz?
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    Per JC via In Session JVS's attorney filed appeal this morning. On now.

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    There are clearly major problems with today's "journalism"--starting with the fact that most TV and radio outlets are controlled by large corporations, which makes good journalists vulnerable to reprisals for reporting stories against the interests of their corporate employers. Then there is the 24-hour news cycle, which demands content and ends up slurping up poorly researched, reported and written stories and then endlessly repeating them. There is the internet, with its Wild West of bloggers and rumor-mongers who thrive without editing or fact-checking, which is how traditional newspapers try to prevent inaccuracies, misquotations, etc. (There's more, but you get the point.) Anyone who gets the bulk of his or her "information" from television news, radio talk shows, internet blogs and the like is just asking to be misinformed.

    The positive side of the internet allows us to look closely at TV transcripts, to sort out over time which reporters are reliable, to locate copies of verified documents, etc. And there are still TV and print reporters (like the one who broke the story of General McCrystal, like Anderson Cooper who has held BP's feet to the fire and criticized the government response to the oil spill, like the National Enquirer who reported the John Edwards story when mainstream media wouldn't go there) who get the truth out. Their work can be fact-checked by looking at reputable newspapers and news services (McClatchey, AP most of the time).

    The two cases in which Joran appears so prominently have been covered by both mainstream journalists and tabloid journalists, as well as propaganda agents (most notably in regard to preserving Aruba's tourist trade.) Most people have sorted out, by now, what is trustworthy. The issues we all have with media is why WS is such a good forum. People ask for and provide LINKS; it's not just enough to have an opinion. The opinion has to be linked to substantive evidence. And when we get what purports to be "evidence," it get thrashed about to see if it holds up. And, in the long run, the justice system will often err on the side of the guilty, even after the tabloid press has done its worst. OJ Simpson's wild ride in the Bronco, chased by police, was giving national prime-time coverage and replayed endlessly. The murders of his wife and Ron Goldman were covered at 10 times the intensity of the Holloway disappearance and the Flores murder, which are not covered widely in US television network news or in the newspapers. But in the end, OJ was found "not guilty," in large part because his lawyers did a better job and the LA police screwed up the case. So television coverage does not predict the outcome of a case, especially one in which the decisions are made by judges (Peru) or by people who may never have heard of JVDS (Alabama, if the extortion case is ever tried there). In fact, Joran wasn't even prosecuted in Aruba, after years of tabloid coverage of the Holloway case and the sensational tape in which he confessed to disposing of her body. Er, not enough evidence, they said.

    It isn't the tabloid press or the lynch mob that will get Joran this time. In Peru, he can't use his father's influence to get out of consequences for his crime. In Peru, the influence is with the victim's family (how ironic). In Peru, there is a body and evidence. There will be a trial with a defense attorney. We will see what BOTH sides have. Then, if we are lucky, Joran will go to the US and be tried for extortion, in front of a jury that his attorney will help select. More evidence, more adversarial presentation to get the truth out. He will get to take the stand and tell his story to the jurors, if he chooses to.

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    VDS Lovebowls to be filled.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/van...630-fc_8413379

    Van der Sloot Wants $1M for Jail Interview
    Updated: Wednesday, 30 Jun 2010, 9:13 AM EDT
    Published : Wednesday, 30 Jun 2010, 9:13 AM EDT

    By Michael Shain

    (The New York Post) - Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man accused of murdering a woman in Peru and who is still the main suspect in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago, is asking $1 million to do a TV interview from jail, according to reports cited Wednesday in the New York Post.

    Van der Sloot is apparently trying to raise money to pay lawyers for his upcoming murder trial in Peru, where he has been held without bail for the May 30 killing of Stephany Flores, a girl he met in a local casino.

    The 22-year-old van der Sloot is said to be looking for a $1 million fee from the same Dutch TV production company, Global Star, that paid his mother a six-figure fee for a TV interview that was shown on ABC last week.

    "It's a horrid thing to admit, but he could be right," one TV exec told the website popeater.com, which broke the story Tuesday.

    "An interview with him from behind bars would certainly get huge ratings," the exec said.

    "And when you think how much money the cast of 'Friends' got per half-hour episode, $1 million for van der Sloot could be considered a bargain."

    News officials at the major networks said Tuesday that they were not aware that van der Sloot was looking for a big payday before agreeing to an interview -- suggesting that no deal was yet made between van der Sloot and the Dutch producers.

    Source: The New York Post

    (This article is provided by NewsCore, which aggregates news from around News Corporation.)
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    I haven't seen any outrage in this case as it was when Beth and Dave were able to get pennies to compensate for their money spent.
    The VDS don't do it in small fashion it appears. Now the tables are turning and I hope all those that cried foul at the Holloways see the irony.

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    I rarely boycott, but a JVS interview will NOT be on my viewing list. It won't matter overall, but I will feel better about it. What's to be gained by interviewing him anyway? Who on earth would believe even the smallest utterance from him? Not me.

    And, no, I am not advocating organizing a boycott. I understand the TOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marikesh View Post
    For one thing John van den Heuval (same one that had negative comments on Ms. Gielen's Documentary) brought out a bunch of garbage after visiting with Anita and Joran. He's known as a rather weak man and hasn't had much chance in something like he has done this time going to Aruba and Peru. Weak persons are really open to suggestion by those who cry and wring their hands.
    There is a foreigner visiting Joran twice a week, wihch I understand is quite normal for family to have done for an incarcerated member, however, this would be set up with/by family or close friends. Would not that person also bring out info from Joran? I understand everything she takes in is gone over with a fine toothed comb.
    I can't see Nancy Grace trying to contact Joran, and I think Greta learned her lessons, but Cuomo is ripe and raring to buy all kinds of junk. 150 grand for a teeny bopping lust affair and a silly diary after Anita had contact with her and I'm sure she okayed her letter being publicized as well. Soon to come we will likely see Cuomo paying the million. I used to think better of him, but he's trash like any tabloid as far as I'm concerned. They don't spend that much on real news and the unsung heros of our country never get a mention.
    I'm still not believing it either, but after seing what he paid for that diary, anything is possible.
    That's pretty daring calling us out as a lynch mob. I believe in real justice, and real Judges handing down a sentence appropriate for actions. So far Joran has been enabled to run and get away from anything negative he did. There were always some standing by, spending their hard earned money to get him free. Anita during her paid interview said she is cutting him free, but that is not so, as we all see now. Not that I think she should, just that she finally really needs to realize he does have a problem. Joran will get Justice in the Peru system where he committed the crime. They don't seem to lose sight of the criminal for days on end, and they don't seem to lose evidence either.

    I do wonder, since Cuomo and Joe Tacopina are very good friends, is there a possibility that is how Tacopina will get into this muddle to advise Altaz?
    Just curious as to what you base this on. $150K (if that is what they paid) is a far cry from a million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marikesh View Post
    VDS Lovebowls to be filled.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/van...630-fc_8413379

    Van der Sloot Wants $1M for Jail Interview
    Updated: Wednesday, 30 Jun 2010, 9:13 AM EDT
    Published : Wednesday, 30 Jun 2010, 9:13 AM EDT

    By Michael Shain

    (The New York Post) - Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man accused of murdering a woman in Peru and who is still the main suspect in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago, is asking $1 million to do a TV interview from jail, according to reports cited Wednesday in the New York Post.

    Van der Sloot is apparently trying to raise money to pay lawyers for his upcoming murder trial in Peru, where he has been held without bail for the May 30 killing of Stephany Flores, a girl he met in a local casino.

    The 22-year-old van der Sloot is said to be looking for a $1 million fee from the same Dutch TV production company, Global Star, that paid his mother a six-figure fee for a TV interview that was shown on ABC last week.

    "It's a horrid thing to admit, but he could be right," one TV exec told the website popeater.com, which broke the story Tuesday.

    "An interview with him from behind bars would certainly get huge ratings," the exec said.

    "And when you think how much money the cast of 'Friends' got per half-hour episode, $1 million for van der Sloot could be considered a bargain."

    News officials at the major networks said Tuesday that they were not aware that van der Sloot was looking for a big payday before agreeing to an interview -- suggesting that no deal was yet made between van der Sloot and the Dutch producers.

    Source: The New York Post

    (This article is provided by NewsCore, which aggregates news from around News Corporation.)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I haven't seen any outrage in this case as it was when Beth and Dave were able to get pennies to compensate for their money spent.
    The VDS don't do it in small fashion it appears. Now the tables are turning and I hope all those that cried foul at the Holloways see the irony.

    snipped-
    Everything Joran says and wants to do is to be convicted for manslaughter.

    CASAREZ: So did it sound like to you that he`d been studying the penal code here in Peru? The looking at the laws?

    VAN DEN HEUVEL: Yes. I -- believe that. He -- he looks -- he looked very relaxed and calm, and I think he was upset in the first days after the arrest, but now he -- that`s amazing if you know -- this guy`s young, he`s only 22 years old. He had a crazy life the last five years.

    I think when you`re in his position you`d be there in that hell -- you had to -- the thought that you maybe have to be there 35 years or more, I think everybody would be in panic. But this guy is very calm and relaxed and it`s really unbelievable.

    CASAREZ: You know, John, I just have to ask you this because people are going to wonder. Were you paid to do this interview? Did you pay the family to do this interview?

    VAN DEN HEUVEL: No. No. I didn`t pay anything. I asked Anita to give an interview. I talked to her. It was for two reasons. She wants to -- she wants to give her point of view and she wants to let the world know that she thinks that Joran is totally crazy and sick in his head, but I don`t pay nothing for the interview.

    Just for comparison.
    http://www.studentnews.cnn.com/TRANS.../23/ng.01.html


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    If Anita wants to give her point of view and let others know Joran is sick in the head she can release the medical statements form the psych who was going to treat him. Free.
    MOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittsburghgirl View Post
    There are clearly major problems with today's "journalism"--starting with the fact that most TV and radio outlets are controlled by large corporations, which makes good journalists vulnerable to reprisals for reporting stories against the interests of their corporate employers. Then there is the 24-hour news cycle, which demands content and ends up slurping up poorly researched, reported and written stories and then endlessly repeating them. There is the internet, with its Wild West of bloggers and rumor-mongers who thrive without editing or fact-checking, which is how traditional newspapers try to prevent inaccuracies, misquotations, etc. (There's more, but you get the point.) Anyone who gets the bulk of his or her "information" from television news, radio talk shows, internet blogs and the like is just asking to be misinformed.

    The positive side of the internet allows us to look closely at TV transcripts, to sort out over time which reporters are reliable, to locate copies of verified documents, etc. And there are still TV and print reporters (like the one who broke the story of General McCrystal, like Anderson Cooper who has held BP's feet to the fire and criticized the government response to the oil spill, like the National Enquirer who reported the John Edwards story when mainstream media wouldn't go there) who get the truth out. Their work can be fact-checked by looking at reputable newspapers and news services (McClatchey, AP most of the time).

    The two cases in which Joran appears so prominently have been covered by both mainstream journalists and tabloid journalists, as well as propaganda agents (most notably in regard to preserving Aruba's tourist trade.) Most people have sorted out, by now, what is trustworthy. The issues we all have with media is why WS is such a good forum. People ask for and provide LINKS; it's not just enough to have an opinion. The opinion has to be linked to substantive evidence. And when we get what purports to be "evidence," it get thrashed about to see if it holds up. And, in the long run, the justice system will often err on the side of the guilty, even after the tabloid press has done its worst. OJ Simpson's wild ride in the Bronco, chased by police, was giving national prime-time coverage and replayed endlessly. The murders of his wife and Ron Goldman were covered at 10 times the intensity of the Holloway disappearance and the Flores murder, which are not covered widely in US television network news or in the newspapers. But in the end, OJ was found "not guilty," in large part because his lawyers did a better job and the LA police screwed up the case. So television coverage does not predict the outcome of a case, especially one in which the decisions are made by judges (Peru) or by people who may never have heard of JVDS (Alabama, if the extortion case is ever tried there). In fact, Joran wasn't even prosecuted in Aruba, after years of tabloid coverage of the Holloway case and the sensational tape in which he confessed to disposing of her body. Er, not enough evidence, they said.

    It isn't the tabloid press or the lynch mob that will get Joran this time. In Peru, he can't use his father's influence to get out of consequences for his crime. In Peru, the influence is with the victim's family (how ironic). In Peru, there is a body and evidence. There will be a trial with a defense attorney. We will see what BOTH sides have. Then, if we are lucky, Joran will go to the US and be tried for extortion, in front of a jury that his attorney will help select. More evidence, more adversarial presentation to get the truth out. He will get to take the stand and tell his story to the jurors, if he chooses to.
    Most important eight words to date:
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    And she can tell what she knows about the involvement of Joran and her husband in the Holloway disappearance. That might actually get him back to Aruba but on a murder warrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marikesh View Post
    VDS Lovebowls to be filled.

    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/van...630-fc_8413379

    Van der Sloot Wants $1M for Jail Interview
    Updated: Wednesday, 30 Jun 2010, 9:13 AM EDT
    Published : Wednesday, 30 Jun 2010, 9:13 AM EDT

    By Michael Shain

    (The New York Post) - Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man accused of murdering a woman in Peru and who is still the main suspect in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago, is asking $1 million to do a TV interview from jail, according to reports cited Wednesday in the New York Post.

    Van der Sloot is apparently trying to raise money to pay lawyers for his upcoming murder trial in Peru, where he has been held without bail for the May 30 killing of Stephany Flores, a girl he met in a local casino.

    The 22-year-old van der Sloot is said to be looking for a $1 million fee from the same Dutch TV production company, Global Star, that paid his mother a six-figure fee for a TV interview that was shown on ABC last week.

    "It's a horrid thing to admit, but he could be right," one TV exec told the website popeater.com, which broke the story Tuesday.

    "An interview with him from behind bars would certainly get huge ratings," the exec said.

    "And when you think how much money the cast of 'Friends' got per half-hour episode, $1 million for van der Sloot could be considered a bargain."

    News officials at the major networks said Tuesday that they were not aware that van der Sloot was looking for a big payday before agreeing to an interview -- suggesting that no deal was yet made between van der Sloot and the Dutch producers.

    Source: The New York Post

    (This article is provided by NewsCore, which aggregates news from around News Corporation.)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I haven't seen any outrage in this case as it was when Beth and Dave were able to get pennies to compensate for their money spent.
    The VDS don't do it in small fashion it appears. Now the tables are turning and I hope all those that cried foul at the Holloways see the irony.
    Quote Originally Posted by texaslb218 View Post
    I rarely boycott, but a JVS interview will NOT be on my viewing list. It won't matter overall, but I will feel better about it. What's to be gained by interviewing him anyway? Who on earth would believe even the smallest utterance from him? Not me.

    And, no, I am not advocating organizing a boycott. I understand the TOS.
    I don't watch any of the shows. I do read the transcripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittsburghgirl View Post
    And she can tell what she knows about the involvement of Joran and her husband in the Holloway disappearance. That might actually get him back to Aruba but on a murder warrant.
    If Anita knows what happened to Natalee and never told.........
    wouldn't she also be in trouble with LE.????

    This is O/T but no forum makes it hard not to zigzag topics............

    How can 1 murderer stir up so much international contravercy???

    He murdered Stephany plain and simple! The evidence is all there. IMO
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