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    Leslie Van Houten up for parole again

    I didn't see this anywhere but that is not possible! Fast, fast Websleuthers ALWAYS beat me to the punch! LOL

    just reading the names of these people gives me chills.....I remember so well when that happened......

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100705/...anson_follower

    LOS ANGELES Leslie Van Houten, the one-time Charles Manson follower long seen as the most likely of his ex-acolytes to win freedom someday, faces her 19th parole hearing with a new lawyer and new case law which may give her the best chance yet for release.

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    I'm quite ambivalent about her getting parole. In my studied opinion, she has served adequate time to pay for her level of involvement. I don't believe she would be a danger to society. One side matter to consider: Would a member of the Manson family really be safe from others, outside prison?

    I'm interested in seeing the discussion about this. I have quite a few books and films for reference if anyone has specific questions about the crimes, the killers, the victims, etc.
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    Another question I would have is what would she do if released from prison ~ such as where would she live, where would she get a job (in a state with a high unemployment rate), etc? She has spent all of her adult life in prison and my concern would be adjusting to the outside world, not so much that she would commit another crime, but generally speaking since she has been incarcerated for 41 years and most people remember or have heard of the Manson family murders.
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    no way.

    if not for the stupid ruling in 1973 manson and his chicks would had been gassed years ago.

    they didnt show any mercy on there victims, including a woman who was 8 months pregnant and 2 elderly people.

    let her rot

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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    Another question I would have is what would she do if released from prison ~ such as where would she live, where would she get a job (in a state with a high unemployment rate), etc? She has spent all of her adult life in prison and my concern would be adjusting to the outside world, not so much that she would commit another crime, but generally speaking since she has been incarcerated for 41 years and most people remember or have heard of the Manson family murders.
    I've read that she has had several offers of employment, from her lawyers' offices and from friends of her family. This has been cited and backed up at the earlier parole hearings. Also--though this certainly doesn't guarantee a job--she has earned a bachelor's and (I think) a master's degree in prison. She also has organized and managed several service and educational groups inside Frontera.
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    There is quite a bit of information all over the internet right now if anyone wants to "refresh" their memory of these unspeakable events and people involved.

    Not very "refreshing" , however........

    "trending" on Yahoo....# 1.........
    I went to one site.....enough to do more damage to my psyche today ...along with missing Alisa........think I'll go get some breaths of fresh air and cool off a bit.....
    I just don't know what I think about LVH being released.....
    any more thoughts?
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    Well.... It was found at trial that she didn't kill anyone. She did, however, stab Rosemary LaBianca as she lay dead. Some have argued that she had to follow orders. Patricia Krenwinkle and Charles "Tex" Watson were urging her to stab someone because they didn't want anyone to be without "blood on their hands" so none of them could turn the others in.

    LVH was not present the first night when "The Family" entered Sharon Tate's house and gruesomely murdered everyone in sight. She went along the 2nd night only.

    LVH was very young when this occurred. (Altho come to think of it, I was married at that age. Hm. Well, see, I didn't know what I was doing either!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapu View Post
    Well.... It was found at trial that she didn't kill anyone. She did, however, stab Rosemary LaBianca as she lay dead. Some have argued that she had to follow orders. Patricia Krenwinkle and Charles "Tex" Watson were urging her to stab someone because they didn't want anyone to be without "blood on their hands" so none of them could turn the others in.

    LVH was not present the first night when "The Family" entered Sharon Tate's house and gruesomely murdered everyone in sight. She went along the 2nd night only. So what? One night of murder and mayhem is bad enough!

    LVH was very young when this occurred. (Altho come to think of it, I was married at that age. Hm. Well, see, I didn't know what I was doing either!)
    My comment in red. Sorry, I strongly disagree!!! And I'm old enough to remember the Manson Murders well. I lived in L.A. at the time. She stabbed Rosemary LaBianca 16 times!!! That is killing someone, and she could have refused, even if all she did was hold her down, which is still actively assisting in a murder! Susan Atkins died in prison, so should Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkle, no sympathy here!
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    She needs to serve her sentence - life.

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    Kim,

    Her sentence, after the DP was overthrown in CA, is Life With the Possibility of Parole. Not just Life.

    I'm just working with the facts as I know them. I am quite conflicted as to my own opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK View Post
    My comment in red. Sorry, I strongly disagree!!! And I'm old enough to remember the Manson Murders well. I lived in L.A. at the time. She stabbed Rosemary LaBianca 16 times!!! That is killing someone, and she could have refused, even if all she did was hold her down, which is still actively assisting in a murder! Susan Atkins died in prison, so should Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkle, no sympathy here!
    Yes, I remember it well, too. <shudder>

    I believe Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 16 times, but not by Leslie. Isn't that right, that Leslie stabbed her after death and a few times? I could be remembering it wrong.... I'm really trying to work with the facts--as with any complicated and "seasoned" case, there are lots of varying accounts.

    It's interesting that you think she could have refused. If you had just seen your companions kill two people by stabbing, with no regard for anything, and now they were telling you you had to stab the body, wouldn't you figure that they'd kill you if you didn't? I can kind of see a 19yo succumbing to that.

    Another thing is: Back then, the US was far less familiar with the phenomenon of a cult, and with the hold that someone psychologically powerful could have on teens and even adults. If this crime were not so sensationalized, would we have a different perspective on the possibilities of that, now that we've learned from Koresh, "Doe," Solar Temple, etc.?
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    No ruling yet? The most updated article I'm finding says the hearing began this afternoon.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...nclick_check=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by panthera View Post
    No ruling yet? The most updated article I'm finding says the hearing began this afternoon.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-wo...nclick_check=1
    It's only 5:20 here on the West Coast...
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tapu View Post
    Yes, I remember it well, too. <shudder>

    I believe Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 16 times, but not by Leslie. Isn't that right, that Leslie stabbed her after death and a few times? I could be remembering it wrong.... I'm really trying to work with the facts--as with any complicated and "seasoned" case, there are lots of varying accounts.

    It's interesting that you think she could have refused. If you had just seen your companions kill two people by stabbing, with no regard for anything, and now they were telling you you had to stab the body, wouldn't you figure that they'd kill you if you didn't? I can kind of see a 19yo succumbing to that.

    Another thing is: Back then, the US was far less familiar with the phenomenon of a cult, and with the hold that someone psychologically powerful could have on teens and even adults. If this crime were not so sensationalized, would we have a different perspective on the possibilities of that, now that we've learned from Koresh, "Doe," Solar Temple, etc.?
    Van Houten, who was 19 at the time, told CNN's "Larry King Live" in 2002 that she herself stabbed Rosemary LaBianca 16 times. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/06/...parole/?hpt=T2
    This is the year to locate Mark Dribin http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ht=Mark+Dribin NamUs MP#876 and Ilene Misheloff http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...lene+Misheloff NamUs MP#6410 and bring them home to their families!

    Parents watch your children. Free-range parenting leads to more child victims.

    Cruelty to humans begins with cruelty to animals.

    I believe in closure, not forgiveness. I'm also unapologetically judgemental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LinasK View Post
    It's only 5:20 here on the West Coast...
    Thanks ~ I just didn't know if it was still ongoing or not.
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