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    Manson, Krenwinkel, Atkins, Van Houten, and Tex Watson (at a later separate) trial were all given the DP. Then they got a reprieve when CA did away with the DP. They were then given LWOP. Then the DP in CA was reinstated, but their sentences remained LWOP. I do not think anyone who is given the DP initially should ever even be given a chance at parole. LWOP should be LWOP. Period.


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    This "least involved" murderer stabbed her innocent victim 14 times, forgodsake! She was 19 years old when she did this. Not 13 or 14 or even 15 - but 19. Old enough to know that we don't kill our fellow human beings.

    She was not with the Manson Family the night before when Sharon Tate was murdered. But she went along on this night, "knowing there was going to be killing". She admitted to that long ago.

    The grandchildren of the victims have spoken out, asking the governor to deny the parole. Think about that. There were children deprived of their parents, grandkids deprived of loving grandparents. For their sake I hope Gov. Brown again denies this.

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    I don't see any benefit from any perspective of giving parole to someone who has spent practically her whole adult life in prison. She's completely institutionalized, she will never integrate into a mainstream community, she will attract a lot of negative and sinister attention and grieving families will be constantly distressed at the upheaval all this will cause. On top of everything else, she has the mindset of a killer - even if it was just once, she was quite happy to stab someone multiple times. None of the Manson girls ever showed any genuine response to the enormity of taking a life; once they were imprisoned, they demonstrated a abstract understanding that they had done something wrong and now they were sorry. But why let them out, when they have no true respect for human life?

    There are no benefits to letting her out of prison, unless people want to give her a pat on the head and say "Oh, okay you are sorry now."
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    I agree with the parole board.. She was 19 and taking LSD at the time of the murders. She is almost 70 now, and has expressed remorse for what she did. She was a teenager who has now spent her whole life in prison. I don't think she has the mindset of a killer, she was under the influence of mind-altering drugs and a crazy cult leader who brainwashed a mixed up girl.

    The reason she hasn't been granted parole is only because the Manson murders were so notorious, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abricru View Post
    I agree with the parole board.. She was 19 and taking LSD at the time of the murders. She is almost 70 now, and has expressed remorse for what she did. She was a teenager who has now spent her whole life in prison. I don't think she has the mindset of a killer, she was under the influence of mind-altering drugs and a crazy cult leader who brainwashed a mixed up girl.

    The reason she hasn't been granted parole is only because the Manson murders were so notorious, imo.
    But is there a comparable crime, where the killers were released on parole and went on to live productive lives? The Manson murders weren't just notorious because Sharon Tate starred in a few movies; they were notorious because they were so random and gruesome. And the jury is still out about how brainwashed those girls were. One of them was pregnant until just before the murders and Charlie tried to convince her to stop taking drugs because it would harm the baby, but she refused. Pretty scary when Charlie Manson is the voice of reason and common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francesca View Post
    But is there a comparable crime, where the killers were released on parole and went on to live productive lives? The Manson murders weren't just notorious because Sharon Tate starred in a few movies; they were notorious because they were so random and gruesome. And the jury is still out about how brainwashed those girls were. One of them was pregnant until just before the murders and Charlie tried to convince her to stop taking drugs because it would harm the baby, but she refused. Pretty scary when Charlie Manson is the voice of reason and common sense.
    There are many cases of murderers becoming decent citizens - just not here in the US because the US justice system and thereafter is set up for failure. However, the vast majority of murderers paroled do go on to have productive lives you just won't hear about them. You'll hear about the ones that failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francesca View Post
    But is there a comparable crime, where the killers were released on parole and went on to live productive lives? The Manson murders weren't just notorious because Sharon Tate starred in a few movies; they were notorious because they were so random and gruesome. And the jury is still out about how brainwashed those girls were. One of them was pregnant until just before the murders and Charlie tried to convince her to stop taking drugs because it would harm the baby, but she refused. Pretty scary when Charlie Manson is the voice of reason and common sense.
    Yes, Caril Ann Fugate. She was convicted of murdering 10 people including her entire family in 1958. She served 17 years and was paroled in 1976. She then worked as a hospital medical technician for 30 years until she retired. If the attitude in 1976 was what it is today, she would still be in prison at an additional cost of 2 or 3 million dollars of taxpayer's money. There has got to be better uses of tax money than keeping people unnecessarily locked up.

    The first thing you have to understand is that Leslie Van Houten committed the murders at the peak age for criminal activity, which is 17 - 19 years old. After that time statistically people are less likely to commit crimes each year, until by the time they reach Houten's age the likelihood for them commit any crime is close to zero. Which is why it just doesn't make any sense to keep an old woman locked up for a crime she committed as a teenager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abricru View Post
    I agree with the parole board.. She was 19 and taking LSD at the time of the murders. She is almost 70 now, and has expressed remorse for what she did. She was a teenager who has now spent her whole life in prison. I don't think she has the mindset of a killer, she was under the influence of mind-altering drugs and a crazy cult leader who brainwashed a mixed up girl.

    The reason she hasn't been granted parole is only because the Manson murders were so notorious, imo.
    You make a good point. If she had just killed some random person, she would have been out of prison decades ago. But because the murder was so notorious, she has to stay in prison forever. There is just no logic to our criminal justice system.

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    too often getting loved ones involved leads to really bad outcomes - take Lockerbie where the victims' loved ones prevented the rebuilding of the street where the bits of the plane landed - thus in effect giving the terrorists what they wanted.

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    For those who feel strongly against paroling ANY Manson follower, here is a link to email Governor Jerry Brown: https://govapps.gov.ca.gov/gov39mail/

    I just sent him an email, indicating she should remain in prison for the rest of her life.

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    Is there a petition for those of us who think she should get paroled?

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    Is there a petition for those of us who think she should get paroled?
    Here you go. It has a whopping 122 signatures.

    Petition · Jerry Brown_ PETITION TO RELEASE LESLIE VANHOUTEN FOR PAROLE · Change.org.html

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    The Manson bunch gave their victims the Death Penalty when they went into the houses of strangers and killed "everybody who was there," and the victims were lost to their loved ones forever on this earth -- there was no parole, no probation for them. She needs to stay in prison, as do the rest of them, for life. JMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by borndem View Post
    The Manson bunch gave their victims the Death Penalty when they went into the houses of strangers and killed "everybody who was there," and the victims were lost to their loved ones forever on this earth -- there was no parole, no probation for them. She needs to stay in prison, as do the rest of them, for life. JMO.
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