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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulessa View Post
    Totally off topic and I apologize in advance but I just have to ask this question!! Is there a chance that JB lets Casey text on his phone?
    I think he would let her text on his phone, but who would she text? Is there anybody out there that wouldn't make a bundle selling a text from KC. Jeez,
    she can text me I need a few hundred grand from some media outlet. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by ThinkTank View Post
    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,4386160.story

    "Brad Conway, Cindy Anthony's lawyer, confirmed today that she and her son Lee were served with subpoenas in late June to be available for testimony for a critical hearing next week.Part of the hearing, scheduled for Thursday, July 15, will focus on whether 911 calls Cindy Anthony made two years ago should be admitted during trial."She's going to tell the truth," Conway said today. "She made the phone calls. It's factual. She's going to testify truthfully.""

    We know Conway .... duh ... stating the obvious ... of course she made the phone calls. That is not in dispute. Now, we will wait to see if she LIES about why she made the phone calls, and her state of mind at the time, and the Inmate's state of mind at the time.

    And BTW .... WHY don't any reporters ask Conway WHERE George was for the last 3 Hearings??? And if he has a job, or if he just chooses not to attend the Hearings? And will George be there on the 15th? And have they moved out of the Hopespring home and moved in with Holly G. in their former pastor's home?
    I just wonder when Conway is going to get tired of being the A's parrot. Everytime he talks, it grates on my nerves. Yeah, she'll be truthful like she has been all along. Whatever, Conway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MD MOMMY View Post
    Not that I'm sticking up for Cindy in the least, but she also thought she was looking at pictures of Zanny's apartment which turned out to be Ricardo's. ICA could have very well showed her a picture of a random guy and little boy..suddenly it became Jeff and Zach. Just sayin'
    I wouldn't be shocked if Casey had bought a frame from target and simply used the picture that already comes in it of some random male model with a male child sitting on his shoulders with the ocean in the backround.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post
    I totally agree with you, Stephr. IF a child was "missing" but alive for 31 days and not reported, that would be grounds for reporting based on abandonment. Putting duct tape on a toddler anywhere, but particularly covering airways is child abuse. Using drugs or chloroform to knock a toddler unconscious is child abuse. IF she put a live child in the trunk, that would be child abuse. There are many, many things that could have been abuse, neglect or abandonment. If in doubt, call it in favor of abuse, neglect or abandonment and launch the investigation with the mandatory report. The safety of kids is first in my book. We are clearly on the same page there.

    You did, however, misread my post. The mandatory reporting laws only refer to reporting the death of a child if it is determined that the death was due to abuse, neglect or abandonment. There was a condition precedent to the requirement to report the death of a child. That condition precedent is the problem. Ultimately, it is the coroner who decides if the death was due to abuse, neglect or abandonment.

    The issue was what did Cindy know and when did she know it. Did Cindy believe any of the conditions precedent were present?

    KC said she hadn't "seen" Caylee in 31 days. That didn't necessarily mean Caylee had been "missing" for 31 days. KC may not have "seen" Caylee for 31 days because Caylee died 31 days ago and her body was disposed of 31 days ago. (Not saying this was the fact of the case.) It could be that KC meant KC had not "seen" Caylee for 31 days because she was limiting "seen" to a live Caylee and Caylee had been dead for 31 days but was stowed part of that time in the backyard, trunk of the car and then in the forest but only the living, interactive Caylee was counted. So, maybe the facts didn't meet the statutory definition of "abandonment" because Caylee was not a "child" (a live person under the age of 18 years) after she died and during the 31 days of death between the time she died and the time KC was talking to LA and CA on July 15, 2008 did not count as an abandonment period.

    Now for the abuse/neglect condition precedent. Neglect is sort of the act of omission side of abuse. The issue is did CINDY know Caylee had been chloroformed, duct taped, stuffed in the trunk and left to die? No. She didn't. In Cindy's mind, the decomp smell in the trunk and car was very scary, but she didn't have absolute proof what caused the odor and wasn't emotionally ready to believe it could be Caylee who died. Cindy preferred to take the safer route and believe Caylee was somewhere with somebody, still alive and had been missing for 31 days. As we saw above, a child who is already dead, is a "former child" whose body is not yet located, but is not a living child who is "missing." She ceased being a "child" when she died.

    I really think Florida ought to amend the statute to clarify these issues.
    Putting duct tape over a child's airway is called I am cutting off your air supply, and you are going to die, this is not child abuse it's called murder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marina2 View Post
    Why? He didn't disown her for what she "allegedly" did to Caylee. If he can stand by her after that he can tolerate anything from her. It doesn't surprise me in the least that he's still supporting her after the allegations she made.
    I know I know. I just figured there might be a straw that breaks his back, but apparently not. Cindy is driving that boat and he is first mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat13067 View Post
    Putting duct tape over a child's airway is called I am cutting off your air supply, and you are going to die, this is not child abuse it's called murder.
    GA sure thought it could be Caylee dead body in the car. As per his own statements to the LE he said, "I whispered to myself please don't let this by my Caylee".

    Of course there were no actual facts that Caylee was in fact dead when the 911 call was made to LE, but the thought had to enter CA's head or she would not have said, "I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in it". That statement is powerful!!! If it wasn't why is the defense so determined to have it ignored?



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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaMoon08 View Post
    I wouldn't be shocked if Casey had bought a frame from target and simply used the picture that already comes in it of some random male model with a male child sitting on his shoulders with the ocean in the backround.
    .....and Cindy in turn believed her!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs G Norris View Post
    .....and Cindy in turn believed her!!!
    "Oh, he's cute KC. Let me see here, his name is Walter Framing Company. Sounds rich."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
    "Oh, he's cute KC. Let me see here, his name is Walter Framing Company. Sounds rich."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamabear1963 View Post
    She can't take the 5th in regards to lying under oath and changing her story only for charges related to Caylee's death, I believe, willing to be wrong here.

    So, because of how she is being questioned isn't immunity understood. CA can't take the 5th to protect KC only to protect herself from possible charges. Not saying she won't try...

    Does that make sense...not sure I am using the right terminology...

    anyway...looking forward to Judge Perry meets CA! Kinda like Godzilla meets um...not bambie...but you get my drift
    More like Superman meets the Grinch!


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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyboardCat View Post
    Agreed!

    Now I have nothing to back this up at all, but I've heard that the car -still- reeks, which would also show that she wasn't making it up to hurry the police.

    I think its obvious just from listening to all three calls, that the situation was escalating. With Casey's admission that Caylee was gone, in addition to the horrid smell that Cindy was already aware of, Cindy was absolutely terrified. The appropriate alarm bells were going off in her head.

    The sad thing is, if Cindy had not made that last call, I don't think Caylee's death would be public knowledge.
    MY BOLD

    Don't know about that car, but it's definitely true the smell does more than linger, it permeates the whole vehicle. My daughter has a friend who works for a vehicle salvage company, and it's his job to clean up the wrecked cars, either for possible restoration/resale, or for parts. He told me that the ones where somebody dies in a wreck don't usually hold any odors. The key is to quickly remove any organic matter before it decays and putrefies. If they get the cars quickly, they are usually salvageable. But the ones that linger due to evidentiary holds or other legal redtape, or the ones where bodies of suicides or accident victims aren't discovered immediately and where they have sat out for a period of time in the hot Louisiana sun, whew! Those can only be used for parts, and then nothing that's permeable and can hold an odor. A body in a car trunk for several days would likely render the vehicle unable to be resold or used.

    Another (economic) loss for the Anthony family.


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    Quote Originally Posted by akashana View Post
    MY BOLD

    Don't know about that car, but it's definitely true the smell does more than linger, it permeates the whole vehicle. My daughter has a friend who works for a vehicle salvage company, and it's his job to clean up the wrecked cars, either for possible restoration/resale, or for parts. He told me that the ones where somebody dies in a wreck don't usually hold any odors. The key is to quickly remove any organic matter before it decays and putrefies. If they get the cars quickly, they are usually salvageable. But the ones that linger due to evidentiary holds or other legal redtape, or the ones where bodies of suicides or accident victims aren't discovered immediately and where they have sat out for a period of time in the hot Louisiana sun, whew! Those can only be used for parts, and then nothing that's permeable and can hold an odor. A body in a car trunk for several days would likely render the vehicle unable to be resold or used.

    Another (economic) loss for the Anthony family.
    Mythbusters covered this one awhile ago. I can't remember the outcome though. I do know as a last resort they called a professional cleaning company. I just don't remember if they got the smell out or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Dan View Post
    Mythbusters covered this one awhile ago. I can't remember the outcome though. I do know as a last resort they called a professional cleaning company. I just don't remember if they got the smell out or not.
    I saw that episode and they absolutely could not remove the smell.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBus...%29#Stinky_Car



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat13067 View Post
    I bet GA shows up to support his son. If he doesn't show up at the hearing it's going to speak volumes.
    It's going to be interesting to see if George does show up and how he reacts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaMoon08 View Post
    Casey has been telling people the "molestation" story for quite some time. Jesse Grund brought up these allegations quite early in this case. Cindy was adament that Jesse was lying. I also believe Tony L. made the same revelation (correct me if I am wrong).

    This would have just been hearsay and probably would not have been brought up at trial, but now that we have letters where Casey, in her own handwriting, accuses Lee and George of these accusations, they are sure to be brought up while questioning Lee and George (during the trial). Casey even expressed how Jesse had betrayed her by telling LE (therefore the media) what she had told him.

    So the accusations have been around for a while. They aren't something that Casey has just now made up to garner sympathy. Do I believe them? No! I believe nothing that comes from Casey.
    It's because Casey has been telling the accusation story for some time that makes me tend to believe it's for the purpose of garnering sympathy, and not true.

    I'm bothered by Lee and George not denying the allegations, but it could be that they've been advised by the attorneys involved to not react with anger and denial, as it would fall back on Casey and only underscore her lying.

    With Lee testifying on the 15th, how he reacts to seeing his sister for the first time in over a year, and what his testimony is, may tell us more. If George doesn't attend this hearing, of all hearings, I think this will tell us that George is making a stand and no longer supporting Casey.
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