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    CINDY A. and the 911CALLS

    The prosecutors are already aware that Cindy has repudiated her alarm at the smell of death in the Pontiac and not just for t.v. but that she will contradict it when questioned on the stand at trial. Her excuse is one that violates the standards for 911 calls~you don't fabricate emergencies just to get the police out quicker. It is a felony to do so. But, as discussed months ago, Cindy was born with a Mercury - Pluto square and her natal Mercury has now progressed to conjunction with her Pluto. She will maintain she never meant what she obviously did mean, that she was frightened and horrified by a smell of death she recognised. This is the reason prosecutors need to use the recorded call as testimony under an exception to the hearsay rule of evidence. Now if she were to testify truthfully, as a nose witness (rather than an eye witness) her statement would not be hearsay at all but a first hand account of what she herself smelled on July 15. And being a nurse, she knows the smell of death better than most of us. It is only because she stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the truth of what she blurted on the phone that prosecutors have to search for a way in, like an excited utterance. Frustrating isn't it?

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    Tuba, when CA discussed the smell with her co-workers the description was the same. Would the fact that she defines it as the "smell of death" at that time qualify her statement as that of an expert? Later when KC admits the child is missing CA connects the missing child with the smell. The difference being the first statement to co-workers she did not believe the smell was associated with Caylee. During the 911 she clearly does when she states......"there's something wrong".

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    The co-workers have been deposed and are expected to testify. Neither they nor nurse Cindy will be used as experts. You have probably seen the lengthy courtroom questioning of one who is being qualified to testify as an expert in his or her field. That Cindy is a nurse merely adds to the credibility of her excited utterance. She knows the smell of death. George does too, as a former homicide detective. Although the defense is battling to supress their original and genuine reactions, later denials should not succeed. That would be a sure sign that the whole case was going pear shape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuba View Post
    The co-workers have been deposed and are expected to testify. Neither they nor nurse Cindy will be used as experts. You have probably seen the lengthy courtroom questioning of one who is being qualified to testify as an expert in his or her field. That Cindy is a nurse merely adds to the credibility of her excited utterance. She knows the smell of death. George does too, as a former homicide detective. Although the defense is battling to supress their original and genuine reactions, later denials should not succeed. That would be a sure sign that the whole case was going pear shape.
    They also mentioned on JVM that when the car was towed the workers there said that it smelled just like another car they had just gotten in where the man killed himself in his car and the body was left there for a few days. They will be testifying to the smell. Also, how can the 911 call be hearsay when she was simply describing what she smelt, she didn't say it is a dead body, she said it smells like there was a dead body, hence being a nurse.
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    It is hearsay in that it is an out of court statement offered to prove the truth of its content. Testimony has to be made IN COURT unless it falls into an exception to the evidence rules. If she would only say it on the stand, it would NOT be hearsay.
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    This is the Defense's reponse as to why the 911 calls should not be admitted. It's only 4 pages but just look at what he says....written by CM.

    http://www.docstoc.com/docs/44465101...y-of-911-Calls

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    The trouble with his argument is that we and the prosecutors know (with no further probing) that the progress of Cindy's emergence from the ether to a panic that her Caylee was gone occurred in the car after leaving TonE's apartment. The prisoner refused to take g'ma to the little one. Refused. When Cindy got no cooperation as she escalated her threats, she freaked. She was beside herself when she phoned.
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    Tuba you are just too funny! Keep doing what you do so very well ;O)

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    I know we don't have a time of birth for Casey, but I've been wondering, especially after reading the letters from her parents, and the lack of communication she's had with anyone other than attorneys, possible ministers, and jailhouse workers, what could possibly be sitting in her 12th house, or aspecting it, to make her so comfortable all alone in a jail cell with no outside contact? The Sun, Mercury maybe? Neptune? Moon? Possibilities?

    What would be a reclusive tendency? I'm sure that would play at huge part. I'm also assuming the 12th house is the main factor. Or could it be something else entirely, not reclusive but perhaps vengeful, spiteful, that sort of thing?

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    aksleuth, look no further than her natal Jupiter in Pisces of institutions, along with her Pisces Sun. Escapist is the term I would apply.
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    Yes, Tuba, Pisces! Of course! Well aren't I just the silly one, just didn't think to look at Pisces. Pisces, natural 12th house, Obviously, I've been away too long. I couldn't grasp what I was looking for and knew someone here could help. Thanks so very much. Instead of sticking my head into the sand, I'll stick it into a good astrology book.
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    Once again Tuba...spot on.....

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2682343.story

    Death Penalty Expert Andrea Lyon Leaves Casey Anthony Defense Team

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    Lead Anthony attorney Jose Baez confirmed today that Lyon has left the defense because of financial issues. He filed paperwork with the Orange County Clerk of Court's office late today reflecting Lyon's departure.

    "We're sad to see her leave, but we completely understand that it's a fiscal reason," Baez said.

    He said Lyon will remain "fully accessible to us if we need her at any time."

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    We all remember when Lyon gave the prisoner that in-court farewell hug, so the defense team has known of this for a long time. Maybe they feel naked and exposed without her or because of their reduced numbers. Macaluso being another loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by salvarenga View Post
    Once again Tuba...spot on.....

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2682343.story

    Death Penalty Expert Andrea Lyon Leaves Casey Anthony Defense Team

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    Lead Anthony attorney Jose Baez confirmed today that Lyon has left the defense because of financial issues. He filed paperwork with the Orange County Clerk of Court's office late today reflecting Lyon's departure.

    "We're sad to see her leave, but we completely understand that it's a fiscal reason," Baez said.

    He said Lyon will remain "fully accessible to us if we need her at any time."
    Dang, you beat me to it!

    Although I have absolutely ZERO psychic ability, and will even admit to much doubt about all this... I find it absolutely fascinating to read this thread, and I will be the first to admit that all of this is quite possible. Thanks to all of you for the time you put into this thread.

    ETA: I hope I didn't offend. I read this thread DAILY, and am amazed at how accurate you all are. I think it is just my total lack of psychic ability that causes me doubt, but my science background makes me realize that many things are possible. So, PLEASE, carry on!
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