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    OK - Norman, WhtFem 755UFOK, 31-45, edentulous since birth, Apr'81

    This case appears to not have had much attention when it happened in 1981. A kid out hunting for snakes found her skeletal remains.
    http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=12816551

    She looks familiar, somehow...possibly I've seen her in missing persons reports? She appears to have an unusual facial shape--a very long jaw for a woman.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-10-2012 at 06:51 PM.

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    Here's the DoeNet page for her. I'll drop an e-mail to Helene of DoeNet so that she can add these images to this page and upgrade it to a regular case.

    The Doe Network:
    Case 755UFOK
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/755ufok.html



    Unidentified Female

    * The victim was discovered on April 16, 1981 in Norman, Cleveland County, Oklahoma
    * Estimated Date of Death: 2-5 years prior
    * Skeletal Remains

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 31-45 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2-5'8"; 110-130 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Possibly White. Medium height and slender physique. Strong nasal deviation. Fractures noted around left orbital ridge, ribs show healed fractures on right side. Previous pregnancies.
    * Fingerprints: Fingerprints could not be obtained.
    * Dentals: No teeth present.

    Case History
    Bones were found in a field by a school boy - recovered bones and recovered 34 bones during excavation.
    Mid-facial fracture is consistent with blunt force trauma sustained about the time of death.

    Investigators
    If you have any information about this case please contact:
    Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
    405-239-7141
    You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

    Agency Case Number:
    81-2133
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-10-2012 at 06:51 PM.

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    This is the only profile I've found that sticks out to me:

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...e_bettina.html

    I think its the brow bone that makes it look similar to me.
    It says that Bettina Antone wore dentures and the Doe has no teeth.
    Bettina Antone's age fits the range
    Facial structures look sort of the same.
    Bettina Antone was missing from California in March or April in 1980.
    The skeletal remains were found in a cow pasture in April of 1981.
    Antone's profile says she lives a transient lifestyle.

    The brow/eye bones look very similar to me, the way the crest arcs just before the iris line (medial to distal), then juts downward at a sharp angle to frame her eyes.

    I think in the article the top reconstruction photo was supposed to be made with her jaw open similar to the one below it, but maybe finished it as if her mouth was closed? It might be silly for me to assume that, but the length of the bottom of the nose to chin looks the same to me in both photos, even though one shows her mouth open and the other closed.

    Hope I did this right, first time posting what I thought could be a match.
    Last edited by KeyboardCat; 07-16-2010 at 01:32 AM. Reason: clarity

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    Here's a woman who looks the part.

    Bettina Minnie Antone:
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...e_bettina.html
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-10-2012 at 06:52 PM.

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    The width of her face, distance between nose and mouth, distance between mouth and chin, distance between her eyes, all look exactly the same to me.

    She was my first thought also.

    But I'm no professional.

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    wow, well spotted both of you. I agree--I think the similarities are striking.
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    I just noticed now that you beat me to it, KeyboardCat. I didn't look above my post after I posted yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    Here's the DoeNet page for her. I'll drop an e-mail to Helene of DoeNet so that she can add these images to this page and upgrade it to a regular case.

    The Doe Network:
    Hot Case 1728
    http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase1728.html

    DoeNet has upgraded this case from Hot Case status, and created a new case number.

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 755UFOK

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/755ufok.html
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-10-2012 at 06:53 PM.

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    She looks like she is in her 70s in her reconstruction, not her 30s or 40s. Also, the side profile of the chin looks unnaturally large, but from the front looks normal. Just some observations....question - I know soft tissue on reconstructions can actually vary from how it really looked in life. Can other things vary, like the chin?

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    I agree that the chin in the closed-mouth recon looks way too unnaturally large.

    And to answer your question, the look of the chin can vary significantly depending the angle at which it is viewed, and also on whether the person's mouth is open or not.


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    Yeah the chin does look large, but notice one thing

    The distance from the end of nose to the end of chin is the same in both photos, although one is shown with the jaw lowered/mouth open and the other shoes it to be closed.

    I think both reconstructions were originally fashioned to show the jaw lowered, for whatever reason, but then when it came time to add the flesh details (instead of just bone structure) one ended up with a closed mouth, when the jaw was supposed to be in an open mouth position.

    Can anyone else see what I mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudette View Post
    She looks like she is in her 70s in her reconstruction, not her 30s or 40s. Also, the side profile of the chin looks unnaturally large, but from the front looks normal. Just some observations....question - I know soft tissue on reconstructions can actually vary from how it really looked in life. Can other things vary, like the chin?
    I've seen women (and men) who are in their 30s or 40s who look much, much older--things like smoking, drugs/drink and not having teeth can really age a person prematurely. You really notice these things when living in Europe's unhealthiest country, i.e. Scotland.

    As for the chin...I see what you mean, Keyboardcat...but why would they do that, I wonder...
    'Curiosity is, in great and generous minds, the first passion and the last.' Dr Samuel Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyboardCat View Post
    Yeah the chin does look large, but notice one thing

    The distance from the end of nose to the end of chin is the same in both photos, although one is shown with the jaw lowered/mouth open and the other shoes it to be closed.

    I think both reconstructions were originally fashioned to show the jaw lowered, for whatever reason, but then when it came time to add the flesh details (instead of just bone structure) one ended up with a closed mouth, when the jaw was supposed to be in an open mouth position.

    Can anyone else see what I mean?
    Yes, it appears that they first depicted her with an open mouth, and then photographed it. They then revised it, changing the mouth by filling in the empty space without raising the jaw, and they also put in a few finishing touches with more detail in the facial wrinkles and creases.

    If they were going to depict her with a closed mouth, they should have raised her jaw.
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 07-20-2010 at 12:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudette View Post
    She looks like she is in her 70s in her reconstruction, not her 30s or 40s. Also, the side profile of the chin looks unnaturally large, but from the front looks normal. Just some observations....question - I know soft tissue on reconstructions can actually vary from how it really looked in life. Can other things vary, like the chin?
    I just couldn't agree more with what you've said. That amount of wrinkling on someone in the 31-45 age category would be most unusual, and to me would indicate a person who'd had a very rough life all her life, a migrant worker perhaps. Even then the amt. of wrinkling is excessive.

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    Very interesting -- Yesterday Doe Network added the information that Jane Doe was born without teeth and they never developed. While Bettina Antone's friends and associates may not have been aware that she wore dentures, somebody from her family (a sister, children and grandchildren are mentioned in her Doe Network profile) ought to be able to confirm if she never had teeth.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/755ufok.html

    The rare condition adontia, in which a person never develops teeth:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodontia


    Interestingly, Wikipedia states anodontia seldom occurs alone; it's associated with skin and nerve syndromes called ectodermal dysplasias. Unless it's just the photo, Bettina Antone does appear to have a lot of facial scarring.
    Last edited by KateB; 04-30-2015 at 09:37 PM. Reason: repair url tag.

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