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    KS - Kansas City, WhtFem 136UFKS, 30-40, healed jaw & skull fractures, Oct'99

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/136ufks.html

    Unidentified White Female
    • Located on October 12, 1999 in Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas.
    • Skeletal remains
    • There is no estimated date of death


    Vital Statistics

    • Estimated age: 30 - 40 years old
    • Approximate Height and Weight: 5'5" - 5'8"
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim had been involved in some sort of traumatic event, possibly from an automobile accident before she died. She had a fractured jaw that was wired together, the fracture was healed and the wiring should have been removed. There was also a healed fracture to the left temple area that was indented, and this should have been noticed by anyone who seen her. The victim's left ribs were fractured, as well.
    • Dental: She had extensive dental work, and later in life, had received poor dental care.


    Case History
    The victim was found near Edmonds and Sorter Drive on October 12, 1999 in Kansas City, Kansas. Only the skull and some ribs of this victim were found. </I>
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 01-03-2013 at 08:31 PM. Reason: updated doe network link

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    The age doesn't match, but Billie Jean Hall had those kinds of injuries to her body from a car accident.

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    KS - Kansas City - WhtFem w/Wired Jaws and Healed Skull Fracture - Oct. 1999

    The Doe Network:
    Case File 136UFKS http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/136ufks.html


    Reconstruction of Victim by Betty Gatlif.

    Unidentified White Female

    * Located on October 12, 1999 in Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas.
    * Skeletal remains
    * There is no estimated date of death

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 30 - 40 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'5" - 5'8"
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim had been involved in some sort of traumatic event, possibly from an automobile accident before she died. She had a fractured jaw that was wired together, the fracture was healed and the wiring should have been removed. There was also a healed fracture to the left temple area that was indented, and this should have been noticed by anyone who seen her. The victim's left ribs were fractured, as well.
    * Dental: She had extensive dental work, and later in life, had received poor dental care.

    Case History
    The victim was found near Edmonds and Sorter Drive on October 12, 1999 in Kansas City, Kansas. Only the skull and some ribs of this victim were found.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
    Kansas City Police Department
    913-573-6020

    NCIC Number:
    U-220000753
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-07-2012 at 12:23 AM. Reason: incorrect namus link removed per user request

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    Nancy Estremera appears to have a scar on her left temple and cheek precisely in the same location and same length as that on the UID.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2612dffl.html



    She also very strongly resembles the reconstruction.

    Her height and age are within range, and her DLC predates the discovery of the remains by 127 days (or just over 4 months).

    But there is no mention that she had her jaws wired shut.

    ETA: My screen yielded a few other women with similar scars or discolorations in the same location on the left temple and cheek. However, none of them have such similar facial structure.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...maryellen.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...son_julie.html
    http://www.nampn.org/cases/halmark-brea_helen.html
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lentz_doris.html
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-07-2012 at 12:25 AM.

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    That certainly looks like a good possibility, Carl -- and it's amazing what some of thw missing person descriptions forget to mention.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    I finally got ahold of Capt. Solomon Young of the Kansas City PD regarding the possible match of this case to Nancy Estremera. He was not familiar with the case, but he took down the info and said he would look into it.

    I told him that I was a member of an online group that works on solving missing persons and UID cases, and explained how I came across this possible match.

    He jokingly stated he wished that we would spend some time on another case that they've been spending alot of time on. I asked if it was the Asian woman's bones that were found in the barrel, and he laughed and said yes. We spent about 10-15 minutes talking about this case and the other one.

    When I first started talking to him on the phone, he didn't sound too interested, but when he saw that I knew about the other case off the top of my head, he loosened up a little. I was a little more confident at the end of the call than I was at the beginning that he would take this tip seriously.

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    Nancy looks like a great match for this UID! Interesting case with the jaw being wired shut...would they have checked with hospitals in the area for people that would have been given this treatment? Or since the remains were skeletal and no estimated time of death would they of not even tried that? Very sad.

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    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2283dfks.html

    Did you look at Vivian Irene Botz? The second photo of her looks like the recon in my opinion. A bit older then the estimation; but she is 5'8; scars on her face don't happen my mistake.

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200301201W

    The above link has her at 5'5 and doesn't have the second photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masnitram View Post
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2283dfks.html

    Did you look at Vivian Irene Botz? The second photo of her looks like the recon in my opinion. A bit older then the estimation; but she is 5'8; scars on her face don't happen my mistake.

    http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200301201W

    The above link has her at 5'5 and doesn't have the second photo.


    Vivian Botz does look like a good possibility. The age difference is not that far off. As people get older, the ability to accurately estimate their age decreases.

    There isn't a view of her left temple to evaluate whether she has a similar scar. The other scarring on her face look more like the result of a medical condition than the result of a traumatic injury.

    While I was out this morning, I received a message from a Detective Jenkins from KCPD. He had additional questions, but when I returned his call, all I got was his answering machine. When I do talk to him, I'll mention Vivian as an alternative possible.
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    Vivian looks like a good match too! You know, it's amazing how different her nose looks from the younger photo to the one where she is older...or maybe it's just the picture.


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    I spoke with Detective Jenkins, and gave him all of the information on both Nancy Estremera and Vivian Botz. He said that he does recall a UID case of a skull and some bones from October 99, but he was having trouble locating the case file. I gave him the DoeNet and NamUs case numbers on the UID, and he said that he would get back to me sometime around the middle of next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephani View Post
    Vivian looks like a good match too! You know, it's amazing how different her nose looks from the younger photo to the one where she is older...or maybe it's just the picture.
    noses and ears never stop growing...
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    You guys are great! Both look like good matches to me. The wired jaw and skull fracture immediately made me think "domestic violence." My sister's husband (ex now) beat her so badly that her jaw was broken and wired shut and she was very badly injured (and 8 months pregnant!) I wonder if either of these women had someone in their lives that was/is violent. I haven't looked at either particular case yet so I will go look. Just thought it might be possible rather than an automobile accident.
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    vivian Botz's my mom

    Her nose was more then likely like that from it being broken at the time that picture was taken. It was not like that all the time as you can tell in the other pictures. Thank you all for looking at my mom's case we need all the help we can get.




    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    The Doe Network:
    Case File 136UFKS http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/136ufks.html


    Reconstruction of Victim by Betty Gatlif.

    Unidentified White Female

    * Located on October 12, 1999 in Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas.
    * Skeletal remains
    * There is no estimated date of death

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 30 - 40 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'5" - 5'8"
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: The victim had been involved in some sort of traumatic event, possibly from an automobile accident before she died. She had a fractured jaw that was wired together, the fracture was healed and the wiring should have been removed. There was also a healed fracture to the left temple area that was indented, and this should have been noticed by anyone who seen her. The victim's left ribs were fractured, as well.
    * Dental: She had extensive dental work, and later in life, had received poor dental care.

    Case History
    The victim was found near Edmonds and Sorter Drive on October 12, 1999 in Kansas City, Kansas. Only the skull and some ribs of this victim were found.

    Investigators
    If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
    Kansas City Police Department
    913-573-6020

    NCIC Number:
    U-220000753
    Last edited by CarlK90245; 10-07-2012 at 12:28 AM. Reason: incorrect namus link removed per OP request

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    Call?

    Did this detective ever get back to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlK90245 View Post
    I spoke with Detective Jenkins, and gave him all of the information on both Nancy Estremera and Vivian Botz. He said that he does recall a UID case of a skull and some bones from October 99, but he was having trouble locating the case file. I gave him the DoeNet and NamUs case numbers on the UID, and he said that he would get back to me sometime around the middle of next week.

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