I know this UID was found in New Jersey several years after Johnnie went missing, but does anyone else see a lot of similarities between Johnnie and the reconstruction?
Sent an e-mail to Donna Fontana, the NJ detective in charge of the John Doe last night and already got a response. She thanked me and said she'd look into it.
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I think I may have found Jose Aceves, the man I believe had the bachelor party that night. According to peoplefinder.com, there are six men named Jose Aceves in Oxnard. I looked up Maria Aceves, his wife (her maiden name was Herrera, but I've never been able to find out whether she was any relation to Johnnie) and there are apparently four women by that that name in Oxnard. Two of those four women have the exact same addresses and phone numbers as two of the men named Jose Aceves in Oxnard.
I'm not sure what to do with this info. Should I write to him or call him? Obviously, the Oxnard PD aren't going to help me as they said in their e-mail to me a few months ago.
And yes, how handsome.
My posts are opinion and speculation only.
1. My first inclination would be to telephone. If you don't get anywhere on the phone, then I'd suggest writing. The most important things to get across are that you're a reputable person (although I don't know exactly how you'd do that) and that you don't want any money.
2. They are not interested and they don't care--most unfortunately.
Best of luck to you and please keep us updated!!
One possible scenario that comes to mind.
I wonder if there was a dancer hired for entertainment at the bachelor party. If so, these dancers normally bring bodyguards to make sure that nobody gets out of line.
Perhaps he crossed the line and was dealt with accordingly by the bodyguard.
1. It may have been common for him to not come home for periods of time. Especially, if they married because of a pregnancy. It is also not uncommon for Hispanic women to defer interactions with figures of authority or the law to male members of the family. It is not uncommon, especially during that time, for certain traditional hispanic females to not have any say in anything male family members do. Different gender roles, especially in those days. Cultural differences. Also, the last thing a wife would want to do is deal with the anger of a husband who is not coming home by choice by involving the law. Remember, there was a lot of racial tension in those days in the US and most groups prefered to handle things on their own.
2. The brother may have assumed he was off doing his own thing. This was the time before cell phones, internet, etc. It was not uncommon to not speak with people for days. But, if he had a history of spending time in other places, and then coming home...5 days is not an issue. Also, again, due to racial tensions, police brutality and many things that were occurring during that time, I know I would not want to draw attention to a family member. Especially, if he was doing recreational drugs (not uncommon) or what not. You don't narc family out. The question is...what was the pivotal point where the brother decided the when it was out of character or angering the brother was less of a concern then his where abouts?
3. Johnny may have been doing some recreational drugs. I am not saying that to judge...just looking at the times. Looking in areas frequented by those who do drugs, would be a good starting point. The other question that came to my mind is this: He was an identical twin. Any chance he was misidentified by someone as his brother and met foul play? What was the twin's life style? Did the twin hear a rumor about his own "demise" that prompted him to call police and fear for his brother's safety?
4. Being missing from work for 5 days may or may not be a red flag. Did he do temporary or per diem work? Did some of those 5 days fall outside of normal business days? Did he have a phone or contact on file with his employer. Many people during that time would work enough to get by and skip jobs. Many people did not leave personal information with employers. Or if they tried to call, having a answering machine was for the very elite...not your average person.
5. Culturally, hispanic men are very stoic and there is a pressure for machismo. Most hispanic men do not confide in anyone about certain types of stressors. It is important to not show weakness or what not. I don't mean to stereotype, more just trying to get a cultural understanding. He may confide in his twin, but, I don't see him talking to the guys at a bar gripping about feeling used by the boss...He would have taken action, got another job or what not.
6. Hispanic men have pride and take their responsibilities very seriously. They also are very family oriented. It is not uncommon for a young man to marry a woman who is carrying his child. It is a source of honor, pride and family values. This can be seen as positive or negative according to different people. While he may have done what was right by marrying her, if he was unhappy, it would not be unreasonable to see other people, or visit other women for days on end. As long as he was taking care of his child.
7. I think any young couple with a child have financial issues. During this time, many women were entering the workforce, creating what is now the dual-income family. Culturally, she would have stayed at home to be the mother, wife, etc. But, as the Jones took off, not having that dual income really created poverty for many who were traditionalists. If he also was seeing other women on the side it could be draining of income. Or even dealing a bit of weed here and there to make ends meet...it would not be abnormal.
8. She was the mother of his child. There is a respect there. The only issue I can see where this would come up is if she was white or other and the family was not happy out breaking away from the traditional type of marriage. Also, if this was a "mixed-race" couple...they could have a whole boat-load of pressures and stigma from outside society. That is hard enough to deal with for people in this day and age...let alone at that time. If that is the case, say if she was white...did some good ol' boy "take care of him" for taking a white woman? (Sorry, that sounds bad...but...we may as well eplore this) Or if she was hispanic, how long had her family been in the US and was his family viewed as a threat as they were first generation? Or if he was a ladies man...someone could have gotten upset?
9. I can say he had traditional cultural values by marrying her. Other then that we do not know. I would say he was street wise and such...given the times and what was happening in our country. I would also say if family looked on skid row for him, he may have experimented with drugs...like everyone else at the time.
10. Again, I do not see bullying or harassing in the sense like today. He may have been targeted because he is hispanic due to tensions at the time. Or if his wife was white/black/asian/etc. Most hispanic men hold their own, are very stoic and will protect their honor. The biggest question I have is if he or his identical twin was a target for some reason, who would they turn to? Certainly not the law?
I apologize if my post above offends anyone. I am not stereotyping or passing any value judgments...I am just trying to figure things out as well.
1. Johnnie's wife Annette was white. She was born in Washington D.C. in 1953 (I don't know when her family moved west to California) and died in Texas in 1995. There's very little info on her that I've been able to find. I do know that she remarried a man named Henry Morgan in 1978 in Texas (Morgan is likewise deceased) and had two daughters with him named Melissa and Misty, born 1979 and 1981 respectively. Annette and Henry divorced in 1989.
2. From what I'm able to gather, Johnnie's twin brother Joe began looking for Johnnie immediately after they realized he hadn't come home. Johnnie, Annette and Johnnie Jr. were all living with Johnnie's family at the time, so it would have been immediately obvious to them that Johnnie wasn't there.
Joe simply said that it was totally out of character of Johnnie not to come home, so I can only assume that Johnnie had never done such a thing before. That's why I wonder why they didn't go to the police sooner than they did.
3. I've thought about whether Johnnie's disappearance could have been a case of mistaken identity since he was an identical twin. But I think if Joe had someone who was after him and thought the Johnnie was targeted by mistake, I think such information would have come out over the years, either intentionally or accidentally.
4. Unfortunately, I have never been able to find out what Johnnie did for a living.
5. Not much to say to that.
6. Not much to add there either.
7. Annette was only 16 when she got pregnant and 17 when she gave birth to Johnnie Jr. In fact, her 18th birthday was 8/22/71, five days before Johnnie's disappearance. So it's quite possible that she was still in high school at the time Johnnie disappeared.
8. Several people who lived in Southern California have told me the interracial dating/marriage between whites and Hispanics was never really that big of a deal, even back then. Southern California has always had a very large Hispanic population. Johnnie's older brother Ralph has a white wife also, so Johnnie wouldn't have been the first male in his family to bring home a white girl. I think the main sticking point was the pregnancy. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that Annette's family (being from Virginia) approved of the relationship. Virginia, even to this day, is a very conservative state in many ways.
9. Again, not much to add.
10. Again, Oxnard is a majority-minority type of area, largely Hispanic and has been for several decades. So I don't know if the racial tension in that area would have been the same as it would have been in other parts of the country at the time. I have thought about whether some bigot may have targeted Johnnie, but how would they have known where he'd be that night?
My posts are opinion and speculation only.
My posts are opinion and speculation only.
Any possibility that during the party he maybe drank too much or had a drug(not sure if they did drugs) overdosed? And the friends or other party goers hid his body out of fear?
Last edited by LucyOso; 06-13-2012 at 08:12 PM. Reason: spelling
My posts are opinion and speculation only.
I have no idea how long Annette stayed with the Herreras after Johnnie's disappearance. She was definitely in Texas by 1978 because she got married there to a man named Henry Morgan, a marriage that produced two daughters named Melissa and Misty (born 1979 and 1981 respectively). Annette and Henry divorced in 1989 and Henry, like Annette, is also deceased.
I don't know anything about Annette's family, except that her mother's maiden name was Dellenbach. She also apparently had at least one sibling because the inscription on her headstone reads "Beloved Daughter, Sister, and Mother". Apparently, after she divorced Henry Morgan in 1989, she took back Johnnie's surname because her headstone is marker "Annette Lee Herrera". Either that or she decided not to change her name to Morgan at all when she married Henry in 1978.
There are two death certificates on file for Johnnie, both of which were filed in 1978. One was filed by his twin brother Joe and the other by Annette. The one by Joe lists the date of death as 8/26/71 and Johnnie's age at the time as 20. The one filed by Annette has his date of death as 8/27/78 (seven years to the day after Johnnie was last seen; seven years is also the minimum number of years a person must be missing before they can be declared legally dead) and his age as 27, which is how old he would have been in 1978. It makes no sense to me why she did that, unless she just made a mistake without knowing or there was a mistake by the judge or whoever authorized the certificate.
There also seems to be a bit of a discrepancy about the date Johnnie went missing. The date he is said to have been last seen, 8/27/71, was a Friday. However on his Namus page, the approximate time he was allegedly last seen is listed as 00:30, which is equivalent to midnight on a standard clock. So I'm wondering if the party was actually on the night of the 26th and carried over into the early morning hours of the 27th. Or the party was held on the 27th and spilled into the the early morning hours of the 28th.I have a feeling that the party was on the 26th because on the death certificate that Johnnie's brother Joe made out, Johnnie's date of death is listed as 8/26/71. This would make sense if the party was on the 26th because Joe did not go to the party with Johnnie and the last time he would have seen his brother would be as Johnnie was leaving their home to go there. It would have been the other people at the party who would have seen him at midnight.
Maybe when the brother filed the death certificate the last day he saw him was the 26th...even if the party was on the 27th. Is the brother still alive? Is Johnnie's information like DNA in Namus?
Joe Herrera is still very much alive and living in Oxnard. Here's what he looks like today.
Saw your case on the spotlight. I'm on a Louisiana case, new to WS, but had only a few questions:
The initial police investigator you contacted certainly gave out a great deal of personal info that I found strange;
I know little of ethnic conflict in So CA from that time period, but it doesn't appear to have been strongly investigated by LE there;
The 'fluff' anniversary piece is also odd-no one thought to ask twin about the 5 day wait to report, neither did the work issue come up;
The yes, very curt message from LE. I know little of LE inner workings in large cities, but was that not an odd dept head for cold cases;
And yes, why skid row?
Bobby, have you reached out to his son?
I agree with your posters, it's a really odd case.
I happened to have been traveling through Oxnard that time, so many years ago, on my way to Big Sur to see old friends. Then back to Louisiana. Good luck, have faith, keep hope, buena suerte,
I find it so puzzling how there's very little info on Johnnie's wife Annette.
I just think it's so odd how there's almost no info about her. Even in the article, it never mentions her name, but does mention Johnnie Jr.'s name, who was likely the reason (given the values of the day) that they married. It mentions that she's dead, but nothing more. I can't help but think that Johnnie's family didn't like her, even before he got her pregnant, although the pregnancy was probably icing on the cake as far everyone was concerned. Perhaps they only reluctantly welcomed her into their family because of the baby. When the article mentions that Johnnie's family searched for him in the days before they officially reported him missing, I wonder if that included Annette. The fact that her name has never been mentioned in any of the admittedly few reports about Johnnie gives the impression that Johnnie's family doesn't really want her name linked to theirs.
I think there's a lot of things we're not being told.