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    Quote Originally Posted by truckengirl View Post
    Baez has no defense and no proof that ICA did not kill Caylee. We all know that if he had anything at all he would be holding a press conference and screaming at the top of his lungs about it if he did. He has nothing and no strategy except to try and get all evidence thrown out. If he had anything that was going to be an "aha moment" we would already have seen it, he would not wait for trial.
    I agree with you truckengirl..

    If Baez had any evidence at all that Casey did not kill Caylee Casey would not have been indicted for Murder in October 2008 and she would not be in jail.

    I keep thinking back to the Limited Immunity deal offered in Aug/Sept 2008 to Casey/Baez.
    A deal they refused and according to the email exchange with SA LDB, Baez initiated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgun09 View Post
    Well, it's blatantly obvious now that Baez' defense strategy is to read the blogs on the internet, and peruse and hopefully see that someone else might come up with a defense for him. In the meantime, he sure has made it perfectly clear by commenting as such that this is what he has been doing all along.
    The defense strategy in a nut shell, (Exactly where it belongs!) Thank you for summing it up so well.

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    Jennifer Killins was added to the defense witness list as well as the OPD officers. The report was filed 10/9/2008, starting at page 7: http://www.clickorlando.com/download...9/21909342.pdf


    Florence Harbor is also where JB had PI Lyon canvass the neighborhood for info, invoice below:

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24312415/detail.html


    Lt. Driscoll & Officer O'Day were just listed as defense witness, my guess is the defense will not make the scream the issue, but the fact that several OPD and OCSO officers with a K-9 unit, an aerial helicopter search did not notice or find anything, therefore Caylee could not have been there on 10/09/08. Also note the map, it appears that the officers parked on Suburban Dr. as with X's.

    IMO, they can't make this work because of Mr. Kronk calling in August. This will benefit the State because once again, the area was reported to be under water.

    Is the defense attempting to go with a police conspiracy theory?
    My posts are my opinion only. Praying for Justice for Caylee Marie!
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    Listed in "multiple choice" format for ease.

    a. "Hey, look over there."
    b. "I'm sorry I'm just an old guy. Can you say that again?" aka "Ineffective assistance of hearing aids.... errrrrrrrrr counsel."
    c. "KC was a victim of corrupt LE."
    d. "My client is being discriminated against as the client of an Hispanic attorney."
    e. "He did it or could have done it but you didn't prove he didn't."
    f. "She did it or could have but you didtn't prove she didn't."
    g. "It's been too long since the crime and witnesses can't remember accurate info."
    h. "Some people don't like me and are punishing my girl."
    i. "We didn't know those visits family visits were being recorded and KC may have given people the wrong idea."
    j. "You are just biased because she is pretty."
    k. "You don't like her pictures."
    l. "You have NEVER taken a deposition from the real Zanny."
    m. "You didn't let KC search for her daughter in private."
    n. "You just don't know what I know."
    o. "You didn't pay attention to the evidence and were focused on my smirk / pen clicking, nifty suit."
    p. "You didn't watch all of my media appearances."
    q. "LE is inept."
    r. "The FBI is inept."
    s. "The State wouldn't give me a checkbook to work with like ABC did."
    t. "We were too busy preparing for the penalty phase that we couldn't tell you the real story. BUT...we will in a book out soon."
    u. "Water levels are really subjective."
    v. "Andrea ditched us."
    w. "Todd ditched us....but shout out for his donation."
    x. "I forgot to do some stuff, but it's not her fault."
    y. "Do you really want to try this case again?"
    z. "Who are you going to believe...ME or your own eyes????"
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    Yesterday

    I had this warm comfortable sort of pleased hum all around me yesterday, and it took me a while to figure out what I was very pleased about. It was a bit like the feeling after you hear a good story or share a really good joke.

    Then I realized it was because I knew Baez and Mason were sitting down with Dr. Vass to have a conversation and do a deposition.

    How do you suppose it went? Say wha-a-at?


    Silly Baez and Mason!

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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalgirl View Post
    I had this warm comfortable sort of pleased hum all around me yesterday, and it took me a while to figure out what I was very pleased about. It was a bit like the feeling after you hear a good story or share a really good joke.

    Then I realized it was because I knew Baez and Mason were sitting down with Dr. Vass to have a conversation and do a deposition.

    How do you suppose it went? Say wha-a-at?


    Silly Baez and Mason!
    Well, lets see, no press conference yet only the sounds of crickets again so I guess it did not go as well as they had hoped. I hope Dr. Vass schooled them and let them know his science is NOT junk science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleutherontheside View Post
    Listed in "multiple choice" format for ease.

    a. "Hey, look over there."
    b. "I'm sorry I'm just an old guy. Can you say that again?" aka "Ineffective assistance of hearing aids.... errrrrrrrrr counsel."
    c. "KC was a victim of corrupt LE."
    d. "My client is being discriminated against as the client of an Hispanic attorney."
    e. "He did it or could have done it but you didn't prove he didn't."
    f. "She did it or could have but you didtn't prove she didn't."
    g. "It's been too long since the crime and witnesses can't remember accurate info."
    h. "Some people don't like me and are punishing my girl."
    i. "We didn't know those visits family visits were being recorded and KC may have given people the wrong idea."
    j. "You are just biased because she is pretty."
    k. "You don't like her pictures."
    l. "You have NEVER taken a deposition from the real Zanny."
    m. "You didn't let KC search for her daughter in private."
    n. "You just don't know what I know."
    o. "You didn't pay attention to the evidence and were focused on my smirk / pen clicking, nifty suit."
    p. "You didn't watch all of my media appearances."
    q. "LE is inept."
    r. "The FBI is inept."
    s. "The State wouldn't give me a checkbook to work with like ABC did."
    t. "We were too busy preparing for the penalty phase that we couldn't tell you the real story. BUT...we will in a book out soon."
    u. "Water levels are really subjective."
    v. "Andrea ditched us."
    w. "Todd ditched us....but shout out for his donation."
    x. "I forgot to do some stuff, but it's not her fault."
    y. "Do you really want to try this case again?"
    z. "Who are you going to believe...ME or your own eyes????"
    Is a shovel included with this? It certainly "screams" for one.
    I have a constitutional right to my opinion and I am stating it!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleutherontheside View Post
    Listed in "multiple choice" format for ease. <respectfully snipped>
    Sarcasm aside, I think we got a preview of the defense in Casey's jail inmate letters. I don't think it is stated outright in the letters but there is an underlying assumption that TonE and his swinging bachelor roommates weren't going to let Casey and Caylee move in there indefinitely so Casey needed to make more permanent arrangements. Casey describes how she needed a babysitter to watch Caylee while she searched for a place of their own and bought stuff for the new place. Apparently this took weeks so Caylee "was missing, but not missing" at the same time.

    I realize there are holes big enough to drive a truck through, possibly big enough to sail the Titanic through, but the title of this thread is "What is the Defense Strategy?" not "What are the Problems with the Defense Strategy?"

    Also, it is certainly possible that the defense strategies have changed over time as various attorneys came and went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katprint View Post
    Sarcasm aside, I think we got a preview of the defense in Casey's jail inmate letters. I don't think it is stated outright in the letters but there is an underlying assumption that TonE and his swinging bachelor roommates weren't going to let Casey and Caylee move in there indefinitely so Casey needed to make more permanent arrangements. Casey describes how she needed a babysitter to watch Caylee while she searched for a place of their own and bought stuff for the new place. Apparently this took weeks so Caylee "was missing, but not missing" at the same time.

    I realize there are holes big enough to drive a truck through, possibly big enough to sail the Titanic through, but the title of this thread is "What is the Defense Strategy?" not "What are the Problems with the Defense Strategy?"

    Also, it is certainly possible that the defense strategies have changed over time as various attorneys came and went.

    Katprint
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    Yeah, kinda like quicksand: ever fluid, ever changing, without a foundation, and it will suck them right down.
    We have enough youth. How about looking for a Fountain of Smart?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbers View Post
    Yeah, kinda like quicksand: ever fluid, ever changing, without a foundation, and it will suck them right down.
    Kinda reminds me of that song adults used to sing when I was just a small kid - and it was about a bolweavle (I'm sure I haven't spelled that right).

    All I could sing was the chorus, and I think Baez has joined me.

    It was "Looking for a home, gotta find me a home...."

    Frankly I think Baez will hang his hat on any defense peg that will hold it and I'm not sure he's found one yet.
    Last edited by logicalgirl; 09-23-2010 at 01:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katprint View Post
    Sarcasm aside, I think we got a preview of the defense in Casey's jail inmate letters. I don't think it is stated outright in the letters but there is an underlying assumption that TonE and his swinging bachelor roommates weren't going to let Casey and Caylee move in there indefinitely so Casey needed to make more permanent arrangements. Casey describes how she needed a babysitter to watch Caylee while she searched for a place of their own and bought stuff for the new place. Apparently this took weeks so Caylee "was missing, but not missing" at the same time.

    I realize there are holes big enough to drive a truck through, possibly big enough to sail the Titanic through, but the title of this thread is "What is the Defense Strategy?" not "What are the Problems with the Defense Strategy?"

    Also, it is certainly possible that the defense strategies have changed over time as various attorneys came and went.

    Katprint
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    BBM
    Perhaps I am not understanding.
    But Caylee never "moved in" TL's apartment..iirc she was there twice.
    Casey basically started "living at TL's on June 16 and Caylee was never to be seen again after June 15 by other than Casey and George, who claim June 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nums24 View Post
    Jennifer Killins was added to the defense witness list as well as the OPD officers. The report was filed 10/9/2008, starting at page 7: http://www.clickorlando.com/download...9/21909342.pdf


    Florence Harbor is also where JB had PI Lyon canvass the neighborhood for info, invoice below:

    http://www.wftv.com/pdf/24312415/detail.html


    Lt. Driscoll & Officer O'Day were just listed as defense witness, my guess is the defense will not make the scream the issue, but the fact that several OPD and OCSO officers with a K-9 unit, an aerial helicopter search did not notice or find anything, therefore Caylee could not have been there on 10/09/08. Also note the map, it appears that the officers parked on Suburban Dr. as with X's.

    IMO, they can't make this work because of Mr. Kronk calling in August. This will benefit the State because once again, the area was reported to be under water.

    Is the defense attempting to go with a police conspiracy theory?
    Baez has stated in the past "Casey is aware of the forces that are out to get her"

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19174406/detail.html
    Baez: Forces Out To Get Anthony
    State To Seek Death Penalty In Case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intermezzo View Post
    Baez has stated in the past "Casey is aware of the forces that are out to get her"

    http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19174406/detail.html
    Baez: Forces Out To Get Anthony
    State To Seek Death Penalty In Case
    "Casey is aware of the forces that are out to get her"? Umm - Baez, those would the the laws governing that great country you live in. Have you mentioned that to her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalgirl View Post
    "Casey is aware of the forces that are out to get her"? Umm - Baez, those would the the laws governing that great country you live in. Have you mentioned that to her?
    BBM
    Maybe JB has been playing with too many of Lee's "Star Wars" action figures?

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    apropos of nothing, everytime I read this thread title my brain autocorrects it to "what defense strategy??!" and everytime I dont realise I read it wrong and think ooo, we got a thread for that now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalgirl View Post
    I had this warm comfortable sort of pleased hum all around me yesterday, and it took me a while to figure out what I was very pleased about. It was a bit like the feeling after you hear a good story or share a really good joke.

    Then I realized it was because I knew Baez and Mason were sitting down with Dr. Vass to have a conversation and do a deposition.

    How do you suppose it went? Say wha-a-at?


    Silly Baez and Mason!
    I was thinking about this too yesterday and went to bed wondering how the Depo's went and how much Baez and Mason learned.

    Quote Originally Posted by truckengirl View Post
    Well, lets see, no press conference yet only the sounds of crickets again so I guess it did not go as well as they had hoped. I hope Dr. Vass schooled them and let them know his science is NOT junk science.
    I hope they got "schooled" too. I just shook my head at Mason when he said it's "junk science" because it's never been admitted into court. Well, HELLO mor*n...there was once upon a time that DNA wasn't admitted into court either, but some wise judge allowed it in. This case could be the beginning of admitting air testing into courts...it has to start somewhere, why not this case? Casey is no more special than the next murderer. It doesn't matter to me that this is Casey's first (and hopefully only) murder either -- DP for her rear! Afterall, she killed her beautiful little daughter and threw her out like yesterday's garbage!

    I think Baez and Mason need to have got up real early to have an inkling of the knowledge that Dr. Vass contains in his pinky finger. That's JMHO. They are lawyers, not scientists and perhaps they need to be reminded of such.

    Sorry for my rant.
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    I just read the National Enquirer headline article Nums24 posted in Todays News No Discussion Thread.

    So Baez, for all of your media stunts, just how many potential jury members will be standing in the lineup at their favorite supermarket reading that headline or even picking up the rag and reading the article while they wait for the cashier?

    I tried to post the actual article but the posting message said uh uh. So fellow posters, go have a look. Definitely not a point for the defense.

    Or wait until the supermarket lineup - LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaia713 View Post
    Is a shovel included with this? It certainly "screams" for one.
    They already have one. KC borrowed it from the neighbor in order to dispose of the bodeee...errr... I mean dig some plants... one night... when noone else was home.

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    I compare the evolving Defense strategy to the TV show, Seinfeld. It is a Defense about Nothing!

    Think about any random thing, like RK ... there is a defense, like TonE ... there is a defense, like junk science ... there is a defense, like the timing of Caylee being dumped ... there is a defense, etc.

    I guess the correct terminology is the Spaghetti Defense ... throw anything and everything and see if it sticks.
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    Disclaimer: All posts are my own humble opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.



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    It is only hard to come up with a defense when you are guilty. If she wasn't guilty the truth would set her free, but since she can't seem to tell the truth their she sits.
    JUSTICE IS COMING HALEIGH AND CAYLEE

    YOU GOT TO LOVE JUDGE STRICKLAND
    At it's core, the defense counsel's motion accuses the undersigned of being a "self aggrandizing media hound". Indeed. The irony is rich.

    Motion granted.

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    LOL - what is a Boll Weevil?

    A Boll Weevil is a grayish colored beetle that lays it's eggs in the cotton plant and destroys it.

    WTH? Well I saw a parallel......

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    I was searching for a good "spaghetti on the wall" image, but found this one instead and thought it slightly more apt for this defense strategy:
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    You can hold back from the suffering of the world. You have free permission to do so and it is in accordance with your nature.
    But perhaps this very holding back is the one suffering you could have avoided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbers View Post
    Yeah, kinda like quicksand: ever fluid, ever changing, witho ut a foundation, and it will suck them right down.
    It's the Spaghetti defense at it's worst. He's throwing everything out there hoping SOMETHING will stick - but none of it is.
    I have a constitutional right to my opinion and I am stating it!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaia713 View Post
    It's the Spaghetti defense at it's worst. He's throwing everything out there hoping SOMETHING will stick - but none of it is.
    It's more like the Nickelodeon slime defense, hmmm isn't that at Universal?
    My posts are my opinion only. Praying for Justice for Caylee Marie!
    The Florida Bar summed up the problem regarding Mr. Baez.
    "His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law." (Thank you to TWA) Read their opinion here: http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/d...ps/sc95855.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaia713 View Post
    It's the Spaghetti defense at it's worst. He's throwing everything out there hoping SOMETHING will stick - but none of it is.
    Most people who try this method *cook* the spaghetti before tossing it at the wall.
    We have enough youth. How about looking for a Fountain of Smart?

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