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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalgirl View Post
    Thanks for your summary upthread Paintr. So are you thinking it was watching Caylee die or seeing her dead will be the basis of the PSTD argument?

    Cause the way you have explained it - it makes sense the defense would certainly try it.
    I would guess they would describe the absolute horror of KC finding Caylee dead (through no fault of KC's, of course) Mr Mason did mention drowning to the medical examiner. Maybe that is the way they will go.

    BTW is PTSD considered a 'mental illness'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalgirl View Post
    Thanks for your summary upthread Paintr. So are you thinking it was watching Caylee die or seeing her dead will be the basis of the PSTD argument?

    Cause the way you have explained it - it makes sense the defense would certainly try it.
    No, watching the 'accident' will not be the cause of the PTSD, imo.

    I think they will say the 'horrible' emotional and sexual abuse in her childhood was the cause of the PTSD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    This is not a trial for an accidental or negligent homicide. There will be no accident at the trial. She has had three years to claim an accident. She is on trial for 1st Degree Murder, no?

    AFAIK, they can't go there now. The State will present their case. Defense must show it was an accident if that is what they are claiming. If they had proof of an accident, they should have saved Casey from life in prison three years ago.
    According to Anne F, the DT just found this out from the Dr's. Perhaps, KC, suffering from PTSD couldn't remember.

    Tho KC is charged with 1st Degree Murder, that isn't necessarily what she will be convicted of. The jury could (and probabily will) find her NG of Murder One.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    No, watching the 'accident' will not be the cause of the PTSD, imo.

    I think they will say the 'horrible' emotional and sexual abuse in her childhood was the cause of the PTSD.
    And the 'accidental death' of Caylee threw her PTSD into full swing.

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
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    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
    finally be served one day by the Judge of
    judges," Perry said during the morning show.
    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

    RIP Caylee Marie


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintr View Post
    I would guess they would describe the absolute horror of KC finding Caylee dead (through no fault of KC's, of course) Mr Mason did mention drowning to the medical examiner. Maybe that is the way they will go.

    BTW is PTSD considered a 'mental illness'?
    I don't think so - yeah I'm pretty sure it isn't -didn't they say diminished capacity not whatever the other diagnosis was meaning you don't know right from wrong - my brain is fried - I should

    I stand corrected my apologies - Whisperer has given us the real info down thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katydid23 View Post
    No, watching the 'accident' will not be the cause of the PTSD, imo.

    I think they will say the 'horrible' emotional and sexual abuse in her childhood was the cause of the PTSD.
    Good point! That would certainly cover the bad behaviour both before and after Caylee's death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalgirl View Post
    I'm wondering if the SA can show there really wasn't much of a change in her behavior once Caylee was dead except that she no longer had to go back to the Anthony home to care for her child. Did her behavior change after the fact? I thought it was pretty much the same.....
    No, but I bet they are going to say the abuse from her childhood was the source of the PTSD. So it wouldn't matter if she was that way before too.
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    PTSD is a mental illness and can be an Axis I. Takes a long time to diagnose since so many symptoms fit other categories. To my kge, it doesn't occur instantly but takes time to develop or recognize. It is subjective. IMO, it will not fly in this case. Are they now saying they are going to a Psychiatric Defense or is this simply a discussion for possibility?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paintr View Post
    According to Anne F, the DT just found this out from the Dr's. Perhaps, KC, suffering from PTSD couldn't remember.

    Tho KC is charged with 1st Degree Murder, that isn't necessarily what she will be convicted of. The jury could (and probabily will) find her NG of Murder One.
    I don't think they will claim she couldn't remember, I think the PTSD caused by her overbearing mother caused her too much fear to reveal that Caylee was dead, and died of an accident while on her watch. So 'ugly coping' ensued, she made up a kidnapping story.

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
    .

    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
    finally be served one day by the Judge of
    judges," Perry said during the morning show.
    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

    RIP Caylee Marie


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    Quote Originally Posted by pip View Post
    And the 'accidental death' of Caylee threw her PTSD into full swing.
    I don't think anyone of us believes this is an actual explanation so we will all go whew - that's a relief - open that door and let that girl go free - but it's pretty interesting to discuss some of the things the defense may try to use, particularly when some posters go to some length to present researched information, don't you? There is some great dialogue here - and I'm as strong a believer as you Pip, with similar reactions so it's interesting to watch your comments.

    And I am again the master of the run-on sentence this evening I see.


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    Thank you kindly all for the great discussion. I am going to follow Logicalgirl's example and

    Have a great weekend, folks!
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    Casey being the most classid "narcissist" in existence would not like to have a mental defect, not at all.

    Did somebody say the jury will say NG of 1st degree??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Whisperer View Post
    PTSD is a mental illness and can be an Axis I. Takes a long time to diagnose since so many symptoms fit other categories. To my kge, it doesn't occur instantly but takes time to develop or recognize. It is subjective. IMO, it will not fly in this case. Are they now saying they are going to a Psychiatric Defense or is this simply a discussion for possibility?
    No. They are still claiming she is innocent, but will likely claim PTSD for the coverup after the 'accident'.

    Perry, who was dubbed the "Velvet Hammer" by tweeters,
    went on to say that he believed there was sufficient evidence to sustain a
    first-degree murder conviction
    .

    "Justice has been served in the sense that the jury has spoken but justice will
    finally be served one day by the Judge of
    judges," Perry said during the morning show.
    "And she's going to live, deal with this for
    the rest of her life."

    RIP Caylee Marie


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    Nite, Painter..good to see you tonight. Thanks for the lively convo. Sleep well..


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    Quote Originally Posted by pip View Post
    No. They are still claiming she is innocent, but will likely claim PTSD for the coverup after the 'accident'.
    How in the world are they going to bring in "accident"? I suppose they can state it in summary...but any witness would be clobbered with that. I just don't see it working. Why bring it up at a first degree murder trial? In fact, they shouldn't even present a defense; they should just "Rest". Of course we have Baez's ego at stake, so I suppose Logic won't play into this.


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