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    Terri: Waved Goodbye at 8:45/Left School at 9:00 -- Significance

    I didn't realize the importance, on June 5, of the difference between 8:45 and 9:00. Do you think on the day Terri wrote in that emai that she left the school at 9:00 she realized that someone had seen Kyron (and her?) at 9:00? Did she think that everyone would have seen him last at 8:45?

    Information on June 5:
    "The stepmother said she last saw Kyron at about 8:45 a.m. walking down the hallway toward his classroom, according to a sheriff's office news release. " http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...rtland_bo.html

    Also from BeanE's notes on the June 5 presser:
    - School staff report not seeing him after 8:45 AM and that he did not make it to his classroom.

    Another June 5 article: At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class. http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...the_day_k.html
    (Note that the bell rang at 8:45)

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    June 5 email from Terri: "I left the school at 9 . . ." http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100415079.html

    We now know from the June 7 PC: " . . . the last point at which Kyron was seen was about 9:00 a.m." " . . . the last point was down at the south entrance door of the school." http://www.king5.com/video?id=95822614&sec=549132

    And from the June 18 PC: "Terri is the last known person to have seen Kyron before he disappeared." and "she was the last person to see Kyron."

    I think someone did see Terri with Kyron as she was leaving with him at 9:00!

    Thanks for the case review thread, BeanE! I, for some reason, had never put that all together until we went back to what was known and being said on June 5!

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    Leave/wave good-bye to Kyron in the school at 8:45.

    Walk down hall, talk to people, people oohhhing and ahhhing over baby K, get to car, load stroller, buckle in Baby K...wow its 9:00AM already and just leaving the school.


    Nope, no discrepancy at all.

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    I think there is something hinky with the two different times reported also. But if TH did leave at 9 as she claims in her email, how did she get that receipt time stamped 9:13? Maybe if it was Starbucks drive thru near the Fred Meyer?

    I think the email is bizarre. She states she left at 9 - maybe she left Kyron in the hall at 8:45, but left the school (after getting to her vehicle and getting baby buckled in) at 9. But still not a lot of time to get that receipt.



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    Quote Originally Posted by wvjules View Post
    Leave/wave good-bye to Kyron in the school at 8:45.

    Walk down hall, talk to people, people oohhhing and ahhhing over baby K, get to car, load stroller, buckle in Baby K...wow its 9:00AM already and just leaving the school.


    Nope, no discrepancy at all.
    BBM. But we haven't heard of anyone seeing TH without Kyron, right?



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    I think you are absolutely right. I also noticed the differences between the times Terri's mother said she left (8:45) and was reported widely at first by MSM. Now we have the email that says 9:00 and that she went to go see "different exhibits."

    Now, who is one more likely to be truthful with - one's mother or when one emails a friend the next day? My bets are on the mother on the day of the incident.

    Is the south entrance door the one by Kyron's room that leads down the path to the access road?
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    "The last time this child was seen was inside the school and was never seen leaving the school," Staton told CNN.

    June 11, LE, Staton

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/...ion=cnn_latest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jules71 View Post
    I think there is something hinky with the two different times reported also. But if TH did leave at 9 as she claims in her email, how did she get that receipt time stamped 9:13? Maybe if it was Starbucks drive thru near the Fred Meyer?

    I think the email is bizarre. She states she left at 9 - maybe she left Kyron in the hall at 8:45, but left the school (after getting to her vehicle and getting baby buckled in) at 9. But still not a lot of time to get that receipt.
    It must be impossible. 7 miles to drive, go in a store to look for medicine, purchase something and get a receipt all in 13 minutes? It would take her 7 minutes just to get there - and she would have to be driving 60 miles an hour the whole way.
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    Why is it a discrepancy? Terri says she told the teacher that SHE was going to see other exhibits. Waving at Kyron at 8:45, the established regular bell time, as he was headed to his classroom, why isn't it possible that, after seeing what there was to see, Terri left about 9 a.m.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    "The last time this child was seen was inside the school and was never seen leaving the school," Staton told CNN.

    June 11, LE, Staton

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/...ion=cnn_latest
    But that doesn't mean that Terri wasn't seen with Kyron by the south entrance at or around 9ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wvjules View Post
    Leave/wave good-bye to Kyron in the school at 8:45.

    Walk down hall, talk to people, people oohhhing and ahhhing over baby K, get to car, load stroller, buckle in Baby K...wow its 9:00AM already and just leaving the school.


    Nope, no discrepancy at all.
    So, if Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and Terri was the last person to see him (per presser quotes below), do you think she saw him as she was buckling in BabyK?


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    Quote Originally Posted by debs View Post
    Why is it a discrepancy? Terri says she told the teacher that SHE was going to see other exhibits. Waving at Kyron at 8:45, the established regular bell time, as he was headed to his classroom, why isn't it possible that, after seeing what there was to see, Terri left about 9 a.m.?
    I believe when she told that to the teacher it was earlier in the morning shortly after they arrived at school and she and Kyron were going to look at other exhibits. There is a media report somewhere about the time Mrs. Porter saw Kyron and Terri in the class. JMO.



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    Quote Originally Posted by debs View Post
    Why is it a discrepancy? Terri says she told the teacher that SHE was going to see other exhibits. Waving at Kyron at 8:45, the established regular bell time, as he was headed to his classroom, why isn't it possible that, after seeing what there was to see, Terri left about 9 a.m.?
    Terri can't have last seen Kyron at 8:45 and also be the last person to see him at 9:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jules71 View Post
    I believe when she told that to the teacher it was earlier in the morning shortly after they arrived at school and she and Kyron were going to look at other exhibits. There is a media report somewhere about the time Mrs. Porter saw Kyron and Terri in the class. JMO.
    It was the PTA president, Ms. Zimmerman. She saw them in Kyron's class at 8:15 when TH was photographing him in front of his exhibit. Terri said in her emails that his jacket and backpack were left at school, so I am assuming that is when he brought them in to class (if we are to believe TH's account of the events).
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    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    So, if Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and Terri was the last person to see him (per presser quotes below), do you think she saw him as she was buckling in BabyK?
    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    Terri can't have last seen Kyron at 8:45 and also be the last person to see him at 9:00.
    What am I missing? Where does she (or anyone) say she saw him at 9:00?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STEADFAST View Post
    And from the June 18 PC: "Terri is the last known person to have seen Kyron before he disappeared." and "she was the last person to see Kyron."
    June 18 press conference

    6:42 Terri is the last known person to have seen Kyron before he disappeared.

    2:10 We're hoping that, because she was here at the time that Kyron disappeared, and with him, and I mean it's naturally she'd be with him - she brought him to school.

    1:39 She's associated with this case because she was, you know, the last person to see Kyron.

    Video: http://www.kgw.com/video?id=96685544&sec=547977


    A couple other time references:

    POSTED: 6:50 am PDT June 7, 2010

    Gates said the last time Kyron was seen was at 9 a.m. Friday at Skyline Elementary School, but there have also been reports that a classmate saw Kyron in what Sheriff Dan Staton said was the "late-morning hours."
    He would not comment on who last saw Kyron.


    http://www.kptv.com/news/23816333/detail.html


    Published: Sunday, June 06, 2010, 10:00 PM

    During police interviews Sunday, a student said he last saw Kyron later that morning near the south entrance to the school. That was the last time the boy was seen, Staton said.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...on_horman.html

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