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    NV - Steven T. Koecher, 30, Henderson, 13 Dec 2009 - #17

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    Thank you sbakker for that detailed explanation of visiting teaching and home teaching. I had always thought they were two names for the same thing! Now we know that Steven most certainly would have had a male companion. Did he inform this person he would not be available on Sunday or did he stand him up (which should have made at least one person aware that Steven was 'missing' as of Sunday evening)?

    sbakker, who traditionally does the home teaching (as far as position in the church)? Do counselors? How are partnerships determined? Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seekingsusan View Post
    Thank you sbakker for that detailed explanation of visiting teaching and home teaching. I had always thought they were two names for the same thing! Now we know that Steven most certainly would have had a male companion. Did he inform this person he would not be available on Sunday or did he stand him up (which should have made at least one person aware that Steven was 'missing' as of Sunday evening)?

    sbakker, who traditionally does the home teaching (as far as position in the church)? Do counselors? How are partnerships determined? Thank you!
    The men in the ward are asked to be home teachers. if they accept, they are paired up with anyone. No particular person, just anyone on the roll. If the elders quorm think that two might get along well, or if one is less active, they might place him with a active partner, so if that partner cannot make it, they can ask someone else.

    Counselors often fill in for a missing person, someone sick, out of town, etc.

    Our home teachers come between 6-8 p.m. They ask us what day and time would be best for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbakker View Post
    The men in the ward are asked to be home teachers. if they accept, they are paired up with anyone. No particular person, just anyone on the roll. If the elders quorm think that two might get along well, or if one is less active, they might place him with a active partner, so if that partner cannot make it, they can ask someone else.

    Counselors often fill in for a missing person, someone sick, out of town, etc.

    Our home teachers come between 6-8 p.m. They ask us what day and time would be best for us.
    See, this is why I'm not stuck to any one theory

    Right now, we have a conundrum (fresh today) involving *another* set of clues: the hometeaching visit and the "missing" partner.

    We have the GW theory, the LL theory, the TH theory, the "not a crime" theory, the "involved with Mexican druglords who employ missing men and hold them captive" theory, the "walked away and is safe somewhere" theory ... and others I can't even remember.

    ..and no matter how many fingers we point, how many fingers are left to point elsewhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laytonian View Post
    See, this is why I'm not stuck to any one theory

    Right now, we have a conundrum (fresh today) involving *another* set of clues: the hometeaching visit and the "missing" partner.

    We have the GW theory, the LL theory, the TH theory, the "not a crime" theory, the "involved with Mexican druglords who employ missing men and hold them captive" theory, the "walked away and is safe somewhere" theory ... and others I can't even remember.

    ..and no matter how many fingers we point, how many fingers are left to point elsewhere?
    That's a great question! Who woulda thunk we'd have a whole new theory to think about this far in?

    My head hurts.

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    If SK's teaching partner was any of the men in the council meeting, they'd all know he wasn't going to be there. But the woman's comment makes it sound like she was expecting him to come alone.
    Opinions expressed are strictly my own (who else would they belong to???)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbakker View Post
    The men in the ward are asked to be home teachers. if they accept, they are paired up with anyone. No particular person, just anyone on the roll. If the elders quorm think that two might get along well, or if one is less active, they might place him with a active partner, so if that partner cannot make it, they can ask someone else.

    Counselors often fill in for a missing person, someone sick, out of town, etc.

    Our home teachers come between 6-8 p.m. They ask us what day and time would be best for us.
    Except for the occasions where one or the other partner can't make a teaching appointment, would the pairs be a regular team for an extended period of time?

    Does anyone know who Steven's teaching partner was? Is it possible it's someone whose name has already come up? Like, one of the guys he spoke to the morning of 12/13?

    Want me to stop asking questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    If SK's teaching partner was any of the men in the council meeting, they'd all know he wasn't going to be there.
    Not necessarily. All we've heard, is that SK wouldn't be able to fill in at the PEC (planning) meeting before the church services.

    The hometeaching appointment wasn't until 7pm.

    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    But the woman's comment makes it sound like she was expecting him to come alone.
    Especially when she says he didn't show up. But she didn't say whether someone else showed up or not

    Yeah, I know. I guess that's why we suspected nothing until we got clarification about formal home teaching.
    But sbakker's right, now that I think about it. We used to have home teachers come around, not realizing we weren't LDS, when I was growing up -and they were always in pairs.

    I think this is an important point we need to get clarified.
    But who'd know for sure?
    Would the ward clerk keep track of the partnerships?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyRed View Post
    Steven Koecher
    Thanks for posting the big pictures -- it reinforces an identity issue I noticed a few weeks ago: his two front teeth. One's a bit longer than the other, and one's a tiny bit darker (almost like when you have a crown put on that doesn't age like your other tooth).

    Do I see some bridgework in the very back of his smile? (I thought it was a spot on my needs-cleaning monitor, but it's not.)

    That's something that would also be noticed, face to face.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairy1 View Post
    Except for the occasions where one or the other partner can't make a teaching appointment, would the pairs be a regular team for an extended period of time?

    Does anyone know who Steven's teaching partner was? Is it possible it's someone whose name has already come up? Like, one of the guys he spoke to the morning of 12/13?

    Want me to stop asking questions?
    You're asking the same things I've been asking myself. But the family's not going to know that answer. I don't know who really would. Well....I guess there's ONE person to ask. SS herself.

    sbakker: Do you have a contact who can ask SS, who was the home teaching partner and did they show up when SK didn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laytonian View Post
    You're asking the same things I've been asking myself. But the family's not going to know that answer. I don't know who really would. Well....I guess there's ONE person to ask. SS herself.

    sbakker: Do you have a contact who can ask SS, who was the home teaching partner and did they show up when SK didn't?
    I was clueless about the home teaching specifics until today (thank you sbakker!).

    Surely the ward keeps records of the pairings and such???

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuff View Post
    If SK's teaching partner was any of the men in the council meeting, they'd all know he wasn't going to be there. But the woman's comment makes it sound like she was expecting him to come alone.
    Occasionally they come alone, without a partner, but are not supposed to. Sometimes our home teacher brings his wife, or even his children. This could have been the situation. My son-in-law brings my daughter orone of their 15 year old twins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laytonian View Post
    You're asking the same things I've been asking myself. But the family's not going to know that answer. I don't know who really would. Well....I guess there's ONE person to ask. SS herself.

    sbakker: Do you have a contact who can ask SS, who was the home teaching partner and did they show up when SK didn't?
    I will try and ask someone.
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