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    Arrow Case Review #1: Thread #4: LE Press Conferences & Release: June 8 2010

    Case Review #1: Thread #4: LE Press Conferences & Release: June 8 2010

    Today's case review topic is the LE press conferences and press release of June 8.

    Before beginning the Case Review, please read the Introductory thread here:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112566"]Introduction: Kyron Horman Case Review #1: LE Press Conferences & Releases[/ame]

    The first post in that thread explains the Case Review. The second post in that thread contains the Case Review schedule.

    Thread #1: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112614"]Kyron Horman Case Review #1: Thread #1: LE Press Conference & Release: June 5 2010[/ame]

    Thread #2: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112688"]Kyron Horman Case Review #1: Thread #2: LE Press Conference & Release: June 6 2010[/ame]

    Thread #3: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112811"]Case Review #1: Thread #3: LE Press Conferences & Release: June 7 2010[/ame]


    ** Please note that it's important, since we'll be reviewing a variety of information, that we don't turn this into a General Discussion thread, and cause more work for our mods. The goal is to look for new information, information that now has more meaning to us than it did earlier, and document it here, so let's stay focused!

    If we want to discuss possible meanings of what we find, let's do it in one of the discussion threads, so we can stay focused on our fact finding mission here.

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    Arrow Case Review #1: Thread #4: LE Press Conferences & Release: June 8 2010

    Case Review #1: Thread #4: LE Press Conferences & Release: June 8 2010

    ** June 8 MCSO Press Conferences

    June 8 - Noon - Tues. noon update on search for Kyron Horman
    http://www.king5.com/video?id=95898574&sec=549132

    June 8 - Four o'clock - Kyron Horman search update news conference
    http://www.kptv.com/video/23839384/index.html


    ** June 8 MCSO Press Release

    News Release from: Multnomah Co. Sheriff's Office DAY 5 NOON BRIEFING OF THE SEARCH FOR KYRON
    Posted: June 8th, 2010 12:43 PM

    June 8, 2010
    Noon briefing
    Capt. Jason Gates/Multnomah County Sheriff's Office

    Good Afternoon, I'm Capt. Jason Gates with the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.

    I have a short statement for you we have a great deal of investigative work going on today. But because there is not much in the way of new public information to release, we will not be taking questions in this briefing.

    Search and rescue crews are out in the field again, checking some more specific locations. Those locations have been identified based on phone tips and investigative leads. This will continue through the day.

    At this time, there has been nothing of significance in terms of results to report to you.

    We have an update in terms of the school interviews We are now approximately 90 percent completed with interviews of all the students at Skyline Elementary School. Those interviews will continue today. If you are a Skyline family and have not been interviewed by one of our investigators, please call us. We know that you are waiting to receive a statement from the immediate family. We are working with them constantly through the day, and when and if they are ready, we will make it happen.

    The FBI has posted Kyron's info on its website. You can find that by going to www.fbi.gov/wanted.htm Finally, tips are still coming into the tipline, but we need more.

    Please, if you have any details even things that you feel are insignificant please give the investigators a call and let them decide. We are planning for another briefing at 4 pm. If that changes, we will let you know.

    http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

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    Arrow Case Review Reference Links - June 8 News Articles + Miscellaneous

    Case Review Reference Links - June 8 - Miscellaneous

    Kaine and Desiree take polygraph tests
    On this day, June 8, [B]investigators continued interviewing Kaine, and Kaine and Desiree took their polygraph tests. They claim to have passed them "with flying colors". This information is contained in the 25 minute audio interview of Kaine and Desiree with the Oregonian:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i..._to_kyron.html


    Case Review Reference Links - June 8 - News Articles

    June 8 News Conference: School Interviews Nearly Complete
    Kyron Horman disappeared shortly after he and his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, attended a science fair at Skyl.
    Video: http://www.kptv.com/video/23839384/index.html


    The search for Kyron Horman: Tuesday press conference
    June 8
    http://www.katu.com/home/video/95897554.html


    Local Law Enforcement Ready to Help Find Missing Boy
    June 8, 2010
    http://kezi.com/news/local/177003


    News integration components: Kyron Horman search
    A clip reel of online and broadcast integration during KGW's coverage of the search for Kyron Horman.
    June 8 2010
    Video: http://www.kgw.com/thesquare/upcomin...-95862239.html


    Relatives of missing Oregon boy urge optimism
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 3:02 AM
    http://www.kgw.com/news/national/95843074.html


    Search for Kyron Horman focused locally, Capt. says
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 7:04 AM
    http://www.king5.com/home/Family-of-...-95857599.html


    Horman family statement on search for Kyron
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 7:28 AM
    http://www.kgw.com/home/familyofmiss...-95840924.html


    Flier for missing boy Kyron Horman
    The family of Kyron Horman is asking that people help circulate this flier for the missing boy and he is also listed on the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children Website
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 8:45 AM
    http://www.kgw.com/home/Flier-for-mi...-95864144.html


    Social media spreads word about Kyron
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 9:28 AM
    http://www.kgw.com/home/Social-media...-95869919.html


    Kyron Horman Missing: "Buddy, We're Gonna Bring You Home," Says Police Capt.
    June 8, 2010 11:49 AM
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...64-504083.html


    Friends describe Kyron Horman
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 12:49 PM
    http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-vi...-95889069.html


    Kyron Horman's family plans to talk Wednesday about the missing second-grader
    Published: Tuesday, June 08, 2010, 2:00 PM
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...urns_up_n.html


    Watch: Tues. noon update on search for Kyron Horman
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 2:20 PM
    Raw video: http://www.king5.com/video?id=95898574&sec=549132


    Search for Kyron Horman Day 5
    June 08, 2010, 4:08PM
    Video: http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregoni...man_day_5.html


    Kyron Horman case is a good reminder to hug our children, even as they may frustrate us
    Published: Tuesday, June 08, 2010, 5:00 PM
    http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orego...a_good_re.html


    Have you talked to your kids about safety?
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 6:01 PM
    http://www.kgw.com/thesquare/upcomin...-95916744.html


    Sheriff's office reports that Kyron Horman's family will release a statement Wednesday
    June 8, 2010 at 06:57 PM
    Video: http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregoni...ts_that_k.html


    Facebook Spreading Word Of Missing Boy
    Reward Fund Created Through Website
    POSTED: 7:17 pm PDT June 8, 2010
    http://www.kptv.com/news/23838365/detail.html


    Criminal profilers analyze Kyron case
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 7:33 PM
    http://www.kgw.com/home/Criminal-pro...-95921749.html


    Search for Kyron Horman draws nationwide attention
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM
    http://www.kgw.com/thesquare/Search-...-95922114.html


    Criminal profiler Dr. Ron Turco analyzes Kyron case
    Anne Yeager talks to psychiatrist and criminal profiler Dr. Ron Turco about the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman
    Posted on June 8, 2010 at 7:48 PM
    Video: http://www.kgw.com/thesquare/Crimina...-95922444.html


    Kyron Horman's disappearance believed to be isolated incident
    Published: Tuesday, June 08, 2010, 8:18 PM
    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...arance_be.html


    Talking about the search for Kyron Horman: What's on your children's minds?
    Published: Tuesday, June 08, 2010, 9:06 PM
    http://blog.oregonlive.com/themombea...rch_for_k.html


    The Search for Missing 7-Year Old Kyron Horman Continues
    Jun-08-2010 21:15
    http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...ron-horman.php


    Search for Kyron Horman near Skyline Elementary School
    Photos from The Oregonian
    Posted: Tuesday, June 08, 2010, 10:01 PM
    Photo Gallery: http://photos.oregonlive.com/oregoni...an_near_s.html
    Gallery: Day 5: The search for Kyron Horman: http://photos.oregonlive.com/4450/ga...man/index.html
    Last edited by BeanE; 08-27-2010 at 12:14 PM.

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    http://www.king5.com/home/Family-of-...-95857599.html

    I was reading through the comments and one commenter said this, "@ "bobknows" Got some information you want to share with the cops?"

    And anther said this, "So bobknows, when you say you don't believe mom took him "to school" what do you mean? I know that sounds like a stupid question but isn't the science fair at "the school" where everybody saw him there, if she didn't take him to school, how did he get his picture takin there in front of his project?"

    I read through the 12 comments and there is not a comment there any longer by "bobknows." Hmm. I wonder what was said.

    @@@@@ Then there's this:

    "Detectives also said they were following the online messages the best they could, in search of possible clues to the boy’s whereabouts.
    “They now go into Twitter, anything that people voluntarily put on and becomes public record, they [detectives] can go in there and they can access that information,” explained criminal expert Larry Rasson, who is now retired from the Portland Police Bureau."

    http://www.kgw.com/home/Social-media...-95869919.html
    The world is full of monsters with friendly faces and angels full of scars. ~ Unknown

    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~ Aristotle

    The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.

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    Why was Skyline School flying their flags at half mast on Tuesday June 8th?



    The flag at Skyline School flew at half-staff on June 8, 2010. Andrew Burton / The Oregonian

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    My notes from the noon presser

    - 90% complete with interviews. LE will continue to contact those who haven't come forward. Asks that they come forward.
    * unbelievable that people wouldn't come in when asked for a missing child

    - working on family statement

    - FBI posted Kyron's info on its website.
    * Note in the URL it says "kidnap". I posted the link in yesterday's case review thread.

    - still practically begging for tips

    - Ben Keefer, PPS speaks next
    * video stopped before Ben spoke...

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    My notes on the 4pm presser video:

    - LE continuing to work with the family on their statement to be released tomorrow

    - 99% of interviews with children done. "majority" of school staff and parents done.
    * Not giving a percentage on school staff and parents

    - says Ben Keefer calling it a "criminal investigation" was a "grammatical error". won't be a criminal investigation until there are crimes that can be defined.

    - "Well, what I can tell you at this time is that we have no reason to believe at this point that this is anything other than an isolated, uh, case." Gates

    - "Well, based on the information that we've got, what we're dealing with, we have no other details to suggest otherwise." Gates

    - "To this point, the leads that we're being provided would not suggest that it would be a national search at this point."

    - again says FBI offered their help, rather than was called in

    - people can live two weeks out in the elements etc

    - Gates "my hope is that we're going to have this wrapped up by the end of the week"

    - Gates "We're telling parents that, you know, what we tell any parents that's concerned about, you know, their children and their safety when they're not right by your side and that is to...

    it's a good thing, you know, educate your children with regard to...

    you know, I can talk in general terms...

    I don't want you to get the impression and I certainly don't want reported that I said that this is the way it is...

    but you know, we should always be talking to our children about things like stranger danger...

    you know, how to protect themselves when they're alone, you know, travel in groups and buddy systems and those types of things...

    you know, I wouldn't say that parents need to do anything other than they're already doing with regard to realistic things that they can be doing to protect themselves, and you know, it's on a daily basis.
    "

    - they don't want to release the number of tips because they need more

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    The family of Kyron Horman is asking that people help circulate this flier for the missing boy

    http://www.kgw.com/home/Flier-for-mi...-95864144.html


    Sunday, as Kyron's family ordered fliers carrying the boy's description and smiling face,

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...on_horman.html


    Terri ordered the fliers.

    Video: http://www.kgw.com/thesquare/upcomin...-95862239.html


    Sunday, June 6 - 8.58 a.m. Terri Moulton Horman posts on Facebook to say she has ordered missing-person fliers: "I ordered 1000 fliers, they will be coming to our house. I will let people know when they are here and we can go from there. Thank you everyone."

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...gy_of_eve.html

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    Fewer than five parents have indicated that they are seriously considering pulling their children out of the K-8 Skyline School permanently, he said.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...arance_be.html

    I wonder what the school said to those parents, and if they did pull their kids out.

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    - "Well, what I can tell you at this time is that we have no reason to believe at this point that this is anything other than an isolated, uh, case." Gates

    - "Well, based on the information that we've got, what we're dealing with, we have no other details to suggest otherwise." Gates


    So, they were working all possibilities, and they had nothing that told them it was not an isolated case, which would be a pattern, a serial crime.

    I wonder what kind of information would tell them it was serial, rather than first time, other than the obvious - like a perp who always leaves a stick of Teaberry gum at the scene e.g.

    Unless they mean that no other crimes in the state, or in the PNW, for example, had shown any similarities. Something like that.

    So, whoever did this is likely a first time offender. But I'm not entirely comfortable with that, because of the number of multiple-time offenders who have gone years without being caught.


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    I sure wish I knew for sure if Terri failed her first poly, got an inconclusive, or passed. I'm going on the assumption she failed, which makes me really want to know what questions or types of questions she flubbed up.

    ETA: That was not an *entirely* random thought. It just looks like this is the timeframe in which they began to really hone in on Terri, and I'm trying to figure out how they got there.

    I know LE rules in and rules out people, situations, evidence, everything, until 'what happened' begins to clearly surface. So I'm trying to pinpoint what they had ruled out, and what they had not been able to.
    Last edited by BeanE; 08-27-2010 at 08:04 PM.

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    CRIMINAL PROFILERS ANALYZE KYRON CASE June 8th 2010



    Dr. Turco concurred : " And he's probably okay, eating an ice cream cone someplace."
    Dr.Turco, Retired Criminal Profiler.



    I just do not understand this statement... It makes it sound like Kyron went to his Grandma's house for the summer.... And this was just 4 days after Kyron vanished. IMO

    All JMO
    Last edited by liz b.; 08-27-2010 at 08:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeanE View Post
    - "Well, what I can tell you at this time is that we have no reason to believe at this point that this is anything other than an isolated, uh, case." Gates

    - "Well, based on the information that we've got, what we're dealing with, we have no other details to suggest otherwise." Gates


    So, they were working all possibilities, and they had nothing that told them it was not an isolated case, which would be a pattern, a serial crime.

    I wonder what kind of information would tell them it was serial, rather than first time, other than the obvious - like a perp who always leaves a stick of Teaberry gum at the scene e.g.

    Unless they mean that no other crimes in the state, or in the PNW, for example, had shown any similarities. Something like that.

    So, whoever did this is likely a first time offender. But I'm not entirely comfortable with that, because of the number of multiple-time offenders who have gone years without being caught.

    I wonder if "isolated case " refers to the fact that Kyron vanished inside his school. Perhaps,that, combined with the possibility that LE thought Kyron was killed inside the school, would prompt them to believe that Kyron alone was targeted, was singled out by someone..... ? They did,after all, even search up on the roof of the school. It really seems that the thinking was that he never left the school ?

    " This child was last seen inside the school, and he was never seen after that "

    All JMO

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    Ben Keefer says it's a criminal investigation. Capt Gates interrupts and takes Ben away from podium.

    Video Transcription - Principal - criminal investigation reference in press conference of June 8

    Reporter: Were there any strangers inside the school Friday morning?

    Principal: You know I appreciate people wanting to ask questions about that day, and there's a ongoing criminal investigation, and I'm being asked not to provide details that would compromise that.

    Reporter: Were all adults required to sign in and have name tags Friday morning?

    Principal: Once again, same, same thing.

    Reporter: That's a school policy thing, I mean it's, you're a school.

    Principal: Yeah if you want to talk about in general for large school events (interrupted by LE)

    LE (interrupting): We appreciate, yeah, we appreciate the questions and (video cuts off)

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    Arrow Case Review Reference Links - Miscellaneous

    Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue

    06/08 Missing Boy, Day Four
    Tue, 06/08/2010 - 11:25pm

    http://www.pnwsar.org/notices/search...g-boy-day-four

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