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    Alibis

    OK, Lets start from the beginning of this case and break it down piece by piece. For instance has it been proven where all three of the defendents where for the 24 hrs on the day the murders occured? I'm on the fence right now and I'd like to get to one side or the other.

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    Alibis

    Quote Originally Posted by crangel View Post
    OK, Lets start from the beginning of this case and break it down piece by piece. For instance has it been proven where all three of the defendents where for the 24 hrs on the day the murders occured? I'm on the fence right now and I'd like to get to one side or the other.
    Maybe this would be a good subject for a new thread. ALIBIS. (I can't start a thread...) I found a good article on Jason Baldwin's possible alibi for the night.

    http://www.texarkanagazette.com/news...se-of-b-42.php

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    I've made notes on the case and the alibis. Lemme go get my notes...

    Damien - there's at least 2 different stories of where he was on the 5th. One story is that he was with Jason until about 6, then went home and talked on the phone with 2 girls until after 10. Another story is that he went with his family to some friends of his parents but the friends had gone to the casino. When the casino records were pulled, the friends had gone on the 9th, not the 5th.

    Jason - this is a copy paste of my notes. It's pretty straightforward, unlike Damien's so I'm not even going to paraphrase:
    *Dennis Dent (Jason’s Mother’s live-in) basically corroborated this story as he was at home through all of this, but his interview was basically incoherent and unbelievable to me.
    3:40 – Jason gets off bus with brother Matthew
    4:30 – Jason left with Ken per Matthew. He didn’t see Damien
    4:30 – Jason got to Great Uncle’s house to mow per Herbert Bartouch
    6:30 – Jason left Bartouch’s house. He remembers because he knows what game shows were on. Said Jason told him he was going to Wal-Mart to play video games.
    7 – 7:30 – Jason came in with Ken per Matthew. He still didn’t see Damien
    8:20 – Jason and Ken left to go to Adam’s per Matthew
    9:00 – Ken left to go home per Matthew. Det didn’t ask when time Jason and Ken came back to Jason’s.

    Jessie - Again, straight copy/paste from my notes. I can't find anything past 6:30 for him except a statement saying he went to Dyess to wrestle; however, the receipt from the wrestling ring was for the 3rd, not the 5th.
    12:30 – Ricky Wayne Deese states Jessie worked for him roofing a house until 12:30. He then left (presumably to go home).
    1 – 1:30 – Deese goes to MissKelley’s home to get him to come back to job site, but father says he had already left to go to Stephanie Dollar’s home.
    1:30 – Was with Josh Darby roofing a house until 1:30. Saw him again about 3:30 and he was with his girlfriend. (2nd statement)
    2:30 – Was with Josh Darby roofing a house until 2:30. Went home with Jessie and had sandwiches. Jessie goes to get girlfriend at some point. (1st statement)
    2:30 – Went to Stephanie Dollar’s home to watch her children. I believe it was in Susie Brewer’s statement that she was there with him.
    3:30 – Met Susie Brewer and was with her until 7:10 or 7:20 when she watch him walk to another friend’s to see if he wanted to go to Dyess with him.
    5:30 – Jessie goes over to Darby’s house (1st statement). Jessie goes to Darby’s house by himself (no girlfriend) and stays about 15 minutes (2nd statement)
    6:30 – Charles Ashley Jr stated Jessie was with him watching a “scene” at a neighbor’s house involving the police.
    6:30 – Stephanie Dollar stated Jessie was talking to a police officer about a scene at a neighbor’s house.

    That's all I have. I'm a fence-sitter, too. I think my butt's grown to it as I can't seem to fall completely off one way or another. I just sway a lot.

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    Nice work, SheBoss!

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    Thanks! I have much more that I'm adding to daily. I pretty much had to fashion something to keep up with all the info on Callahans. It's A LOT!

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    4:30 – Jason left with Ken per Matthew. He didn’t see Damien
    4:30 – Jason got to Great Uncle’s house to mow per Herbert Bartouch
    6:30 – Jason left Bartouch’s house. He remembers because he knows what game shows were on. Said Jason told him he was going to Wal-Mart to play video games.
    7 – 7:30 – Jason came in with Ken per Matthew. He still didn’t see Damien
    There are a number of problems here.

    First off, Bartoush claimed Baldwin was alone when he mowed the lawn.

    On 5-5-93 Jason Baldwin, my Grand Nephew, came to my house at about 4:30 PM and mowed my yard. He was alone when he was at my house. He left my house at about 6:30 PM and said he was going to Walmart to play video games.

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/hubb.html

    Second, Watkins claimed they mowed Bartoush's lawn on the following Saturday.

    RIDGE- OKAY, NOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW OF JASON MOWING A YARD.

    KENNETH- YEAH, THAT FOLLOWING SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, HIS UNCLE EARL, LET'S SEE...IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FAIR GOT HERE I THINK.

    RIDGE- OKAY.

    KENNETH- YEAH, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FAIR BECAUSE WE WENT AND MOWED HIS LAWN....

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/kenw1.html

    Dennis Dent (Jason’s Mother’s live-in) basically corroborated this story as he was at home through all of this.
    Actually that's not true.

    "Dink" said Matt wasn't even home at 4:30.

    He said he saw Mathew at Wal-Mart playing video games when he went there about 4:30 to buy a Mother's day gift - and Mathew also said Dink saw him there.

    But he does confirm Watkin's claim that Watkins came by Baldwin's house looking for Baldwin about 6:45 and Dink was the only one home.

    but his interview was basically incoherent and unbelievable to me.
    Actually that would be Matt's interview.

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/mattb.html

    As you can see, Matt contridicts not only his his own claims but the "lawn mowing" alibi as well.

    He says when he went to Wal-Mart Jason was already there.

    In the recent rule37 hearing, Baldwin himself cited Jennifer Bearden's phone call as his alibi.

    But Bearden stated that Baldwin and Echols were at Baldwin's home together sometime between 4:15 and 5:30 pm and that they were leaving together and she couldn't contact either of them again until 9pm that evening.

    http://callahan.8k.com/images/bearden/bearden02.jpg

    Baldwin had no valid alibi, and his own attorney testified as much during the rule37 hearing.

    “I explored diligently any valuable and reliable testimony that would have established an alibi,” Ford said in court. “I did not find successfully what I was looking for — an alibi that would not unravel on me.” Ford said he felt that it was better when considering a jury’s response to not have an alibi at all rather than a weak one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty larry View Post
    Second, Watkins claimed they mowed Bartoush's lawn on the following Saturday.

    RIDGE- OKAY, NOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW OF JASON MOWING A YARD.

    KENNETH- YEAH, THAT FOLLOWING SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, HIS UNCLE EARL, LET'S SEE...IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FAIR GOT HERE I THINK.

    RIDGE- OKAY.

    KENNETH- YEAH, IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE FAIR BECAUSE WE WENT AND MOWED HIS LAWN....

    http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/kenw1.html
    Is Herbert Bartoush and Uncle Earl the same person? They could very easily be different people.