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08-12-2004, 11:40 AM #1
TX - Julie Mosley, 9, Mary Trlica, 17, Lisa Wilson, 14, Fort Worth, 23 Dec 1974 - #1
This case is fascinating to me. I would love peoples thoughts on what on earth is going on..........I hope it hasn't already been posted! if it has please just ignore me.
Basic story- 3 girls, one 9 years old (Tracey Ann Moseley) doe link http://doenetwork.org/cases/59dftx.html
Rachel Trilica (17 years old) Doe link http://doenetwork.org/cases/57dftx.html
and Lisa Renne Wilson (14 years old) Doe link http://doenetwork.org/cases/58dftx.html
Went to the mall in Fort Worth, December 1974 and never came back..............
Read the links for more info but a letter was received some time after from Rachel stating they were "getting away for a while" and would be back in a week. They never re-appeared.
This would be fairly straight forward missing persons case but Rachel's brother states that
"............. several "credible witnesses" say they've spotted Rachel since the disappearance. "One was in 1998 around Christmas," he says.
Rusty and James believe that Rachel visits Fort Worth during the Christmas season each year. James is careful with his words, but he maintains that someone is "shrouding and manufacturing evidence" in what he says was at first an effort to keep the two older girls away. Now he thinks only Rachel survives. He is evasive about what he thinks happened or who he believes can be held accountable.
"I believe that that person facilitates and maintains an effort to keep Rachel Arnold [Trlica] away from Fort Worth. I believe that Renee Wilson is not alive. . . . I believe that something dreadfully wrong, and probably a fatality, occurred involving Julie Ann Moseley," he says"
This is from the website he's set up- and he's announced he's hired a private investigator and a personal $25,000 reward Here's the link to his site....................
It infers on the website that Rachel's sister knows what happened. Actually its a v good site. Anyway I'd be interested to hear what you all think........ What could keep a grown woman (as she now would be) away from her home and family? Is her brother suggesting she is being held captive? V confusing and haunting. It would be great to shed some light onto this for their families.
I'm in the UK, so I probably won't pick up your replies till the morning.
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08-12-2004, 06:40 PM #2
OMG! What a fascinating case!! Its also quite curious how the youngest missing girl's (Tracey) older sister Debra was involved with Rachael's husband AND was with him when the letter arrived (and why won't Debra take a polygraph like the families asked her too?).
I know theres unfortunately so many tragic missing cases but this seems to have alot of elements that seem tailor made for media and Im surprised it hasnt gotten more coverage.
Thank you for sharing this Emma! I know Im now "hooked" on this case too!The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
08-13-2004, 06:30 AM #3
Thanks for posting.......it is weird that this hasn't gotten more media coverage.... the private investigator says that he received anonymous death threats when he tried to create more publicity.......V weird. I also noticed that on the Doe website it states that Rachel's brother (James?) believes that Rachel and Lisa are still alive. Yet on the brothers website it now states that he believes only Rachel survives.........I wonder if Doe made a mistake or whether James believes that Lisa died recently? What does he think she died of I wonder? I've half a mind to mail him through his site and invite him to post.........Bit nervous though!
The letter that Rachel's husband received shortly after their disappearance can only mean 1 of 2 things as far as I'm concerned:
1) It really was sent by Rachel and they decided to dissapear(They then stayed away or met with foul play)
2) The letter is fake and someone who Rachel knew is responsible for their disappearance.
Apparently the handwriting tests were inconclusive..............
Theres no other possible explanations. I don't know of many multiple murderers who go around copying their victims handwriting and sending letters to their victims families to cover their tracks! By definition they're mad and don't care about the victims as "people" at all. It has to be someone they knew- this is the most likely explanation.
What's most interesting is that James believes Rachel is being kept away now. I've been thinking about this and I wonder if he believes that the person responsible has manufactured evidence AGAINST Rachel? This would make sense.Of course the lack of a polygraph test is v v interesting,but not conclusive.
Then again Sherlock Holmes said something like "When you discount the perpostorous and the ridiculous, you are left with the obvious.......and this can be the only explantion"!
Am hooked on the case! Let me know if you come up with anything. Would love to think that at least one of the missing girls is still alive.
08-13-2004, 09:31 AM #4
I think contacting him is a great idea! Im not sure just how much info he'd be willing to share(if any) but at worst he could just decline-nothing ventured,nothing gained!! If anything I think he'd welcome the oppertunity to get attention for this case.
In my unprofessional opinion it seems Rachael is indeed the crux of this mystery as it was(supposedly) only her who has since made contact and I think she had some familarity with the person(s) who led the girls away from the mall as the varying ages of the girls (as well as the fact there were 3 of them) would rule out a random abduction
I wonder who invited Tracey(the youngest girl)? I think whoever planned this did not figure on her being there with Rachael.
Rachael is curious herself as she was married and only 17.Although I was married quite young myself I find this interesting and usually an indicator of having led a hard life esp.since she was married to an older divorced man .I wonder if drugs were ever involved?
Has he been polygraphed or questioned ?
Did he and Debra resume their relationship after Rachael "dissapeared"?
James has reason to belive Rachael is alive,why?
We have to try and invite him to the site! This case is a nail-biter!!!The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
08-16-2004, 05:57 AM #5
Messiecake, I think you're def right about whoever did this not counting on the youngest girl (Tracey) being there. But presuming that the relatives knew that she was, if they were involved, why still go ahead with it?
I would def rule out a random abduction. I would guess that it would take more than one man to abduct 3 girls- one of whom was married and so we can assume reasonably street-smart. Also abducters usually go for easy targets- 3 girls , 2 almost adult, are not east targets to abduct from a busy shopping mall. This would mean that they'd have to have accidentally come across a group of men, (or women!) who wanted to abduct both a child and 2 older girls for (presumably) illicit purposes.......it doesn't make any sense...........And of course theres the letter. This virtually rules out a random abduction.
Debra was quite dismissive of her relationship with Rachels husband, but these things have a tendancy to be blown out of all proportion when you're young, so its not impossible that it is somehow related.............
I think that the brother knows more than is on his website and he's waiting for someone to speak up and confirm his suspicions........I feel for Rachel,if she is in fact still alive, whatever hapenned, it would be almost impossible for her to come back now.........Unless she was a totally innocent victim and I get the feeling from what I've read that this might be not be the case.............I wonder if her brother has actually spoken to her? Its not impossible.
I think I'm going to brave it and invite the brother here sometime this week. I'll let you know how I get on!
05-20-2005, 04:36 PM #6Originally Posted by emma l
While is it unusual for a multiple murderer to write letters to the family that purports to be from the victim, it is not unknown. John E. Robinson the Internet Slavemaster did it in his 1984/85 murders (link to story: http://www.mayhem.net/Crime/robinson.html)
In a recent cold case in my area the suspected murderer has approached the victim's father a couple of times and asked him if he had heard from his dau. and has told stories of how he has heard of the woman living in an area and being on drugs. Everyone thought the woman had run away, no one knew she had been murdered, because her body had not been found yet. Because she was thought to be alive and missing voluntarily, no one looked for her.
So the purpose of this type of communication seems to be to keep the confusion on what exactly happened, and to provide misdirection in any investigation.Just when I think that I have seen the most depraved things a human can do to another human, somebody posts a new story...........
Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?
"Just when the caterpillar thought its world was over, it became a butterfly" ~ Michelle Knight
05-26-2005, 02:12 PM #7Former Member
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Wonder if this guy could be connected to the case in any way?
05-27-2005, 07:18 AM #8Registered User
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Curtis Don Brown - MurdererOriginally Posted by Yeah,me
Brown is now 46 years old and would have been only 15 or 16 when the three girls disappeared from the shopping center. Such an abduction of three young girls does not seem to fit his MO. It is also doubtful if other elements of evidence would fit Brown.
It would be interesting to know where he was at the time. Sometimes Inmate locators list previous incarcerations and convictions. Maybe such a website could provide an answer to his whereabouts and activities in December 1974.
08-16-2004, 08:10 PM #9
I always had an interest in this case, but never saw the brothers website! thanks for posting it.
One of the things I have noticed - when a child dies or disappears, family seem to need to have someone to blame - to be angry with, and i wonder if thats not whats happening here.
08-17-2004, 07:26 AM #10Originally Posted by BethInAK
I agree with you in theory but in this case it seems clear at least one of the girls knew their abductor due to the evidence of the letter.
I am totally hooked on this case! If her brother does register here I wonder if we could get this on a "Case of the Month"??The saints are the sinners who keep trying...
08-17-2004, 01:49 PM #11Former Member
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This is a very interesting case indeed. I'd love to be able to talk to someone involved. Hard to believe the 17 year old was married!!! Please do try to get someone to register here and talk to us.
08-19-2004, 12:30 AM #12Originally Posted by messiecake
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08-19-2004, 06:14 PM #13Inactive
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I sent an e-mail
I sent an e-mail to the two e-mail address on the website maybe we will hear from them soon. I remember this case from when I was a kid and overheard parents talking and stuff. We use to go to Denton Texas to visit relatives and was there during this time. I have not heard a word over the years so it is strange that there was never any media. I wonder why?
08-20-2004, 06:01 AM #14
I'd also sent an email to them so hopefully they should get back to us. I did notice though that the last update on the site was 2002...........I wonder whats going on?
08-23-2004, 09:54 AM #15Former Member
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